When the Hell is the Next Historical Title?

**Sharpe** · August 29, 2017, 10:08 AM

you need to try a multiplayer campaign with a mate, I've never gone back after playing TW campaigns with my bro.

**Huberto** · September 06, 2017, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Duram

I play warhammer from time to time and have warhammer 2 pre-orderd but it's just a game I can't get 'into'.

May I ask why the

you would pre-order a game you don't like? Or any game for that matter? IMO, you're just asking to get

on. Makes me wonder though: can Total War micro-transaction loot boxes be far behind?

**Isostran** · September 19, 2017, 01:01 AM

I am so relieved to find this thread, I thought I was the only one who thought Warhammer was just boring. I even forced myself to play as Empire just so it would feel a bit normal but nope couldn't take it. I have been playing empire with Darthmod lately and it's surprisingly fun.

**nilloc93** · October 08, 2017, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Påsan

I think Warhammer is in the talk for the best Total War ever. It certianly from a purely TW mechanics standpoint has unnmatched replayability and diversity among its factions.

M2 was the best mechanically S2 was the best looks wise
WH is alright but its ugly and the warscape engine still sucks, the new campaign style is retarded, having to have generals to lead armies makes logistics and reinforcements a nightmare, the building system is tedious and the best way to play with agents is to mod them out. I don't think there will be a mechanically superior TW game to M2 until the warscape engine is trashed and the campaign system is brought back to its original style, or at least the S2 style.

**b0Gia de Bodemloze** · October 08, 2017, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by nilloc93

M2 was the best mechanically S2 was the best looks wise
WH is alright but its ugly and the warscape engine still sucks, the new campaign style is retarded, having to have generals to lead armies makes logistics and reinforcements a nightmare, the building system is tedious and the best way to play with agents is to mod them out. I don't think there will be a mechanically superior TW game to M2 until the warscape engine is trashed and the campaign system is brought back to its original style, or at least the S2 style.

Hope the next big History Total War to run on a completely new engine. That also means that they will release first the new campaign dlc for attila, the new total war game based on warscape and Warhammer 3. So maybe after 2-3 years from now.

**♔atthias♔** · October 09, 2017, 05:05 AM

@OP before the WH 3 game comes out a CA dev said but it was a translated so it might have been a mis translation

**Ngugi** · October 09, 2017, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by b0Gia de Bodemloze

Hope the next big History Total War to run on a completely new engine. That also means that they will release first the new campaign dlc for attila, the new total war game based on warscape and Warhammer 3. So maybe after 2-3 years from now.

I have high hopes this is the case; they're finish off Warscape with the Warhammer trilogy (and small side orders), and the WIP big historical title will drop after that in a brand new engine that allows for proper physics (and thus melee engagements) again

**Sanguinis** · October 14, 2017, 06:41 AM

Reading the tea leaves from dev blog posts and other comments it's likely not until 2020 or maybe later.

Frankly I wouldn't get my hopes up even then. The studio has a totally different focus following acquisition of the Warhammer license. I fully expect the dumbing down of features/appeal to the masses approach (magic abilities, focus on 1v1 hero combat) will continue with the next historical title.

If you can live without a 3d battle mode I suggest trying out the more recent Paradox titles.

**eXistenZ** · October 14, 2017, 09:16 AM

there are enoguh tbs games out there, its the combination with the real time battles that make it unique.

Paradox isnt a great suggestion. Too much featurestripping for dlcwhoring. Endless Legend/ Space 2 are more sensible

**Anmaro** · October 15, 2017, 04:13 AM

Warhammer & warhammer II are two dispoints for all of historical versions fans. We want back to realism and humans history

**that_one_guy** · October 28, 2017, 08:06 AM

I have played Total War games since the original RTW. To me, what makes the franchise so great is the tactical aspect of real time battles, and the realism they try to convey... all the way down to individual animations between two enemy soldiers as they hack each other to bits. On top of that, strategic significance on the campaign map by developing your economy and military capabilities make the other half of the game very fun too.

Overall, Warhammer has dumbed down the battles, and delved into a whole genre that deviates wildly from the original premise of the franchise. It is a fun game, but it is not a Total War game in the same way as the early historical titles.

I have no problem with people enjoying this new series, but I do feel as if the base (historical fans) has been slightly let down. I just hope they don't relegate us to a secondary effort. Us history nerds are a special kind of nerd, and I wouldn't lump us into the fantasy nerd group necessarily... the fantasy genre has a lot of representation in the gaming world, but historical games not so much. If total war abandons that avenue then we are left with pretty much nothing.

Just my two cents. Take it as you will.

**Spear Dog** · October 28, 2017, 07:39 PM

I'm pretty sure SEGA is a huuuugggge company with vast resources focussed on developing products with commercial potential in the billions of $. It has been stated here and in other threads at various times since the announcement that a new historical title is in development, that the historic games have their own internal department and development team.

WarHammer games have no impact on the Historical games development or their budget - they are separate commercial entities.

I read recently (can't recall where - one of any number of gaming blogs I randomly visit) a statement from WarGames (World of Tanks, Warships, etc) that they were involved with Total War in developing an Arena project. Also as a separate commercial entity. In these partnerships they have to share their revenue with Warhammer and WarGames.

...but Total War historic games revenue is all theirs. Factoring this, I don't believe that the historic titles will ever be neglected or sidelined.

I am hoping that the delay in announcements of the title and timeline of the promised new historical title is due to diligence in development aimed at avoiding the controversy that accompanied and followed the release of Rome 2.

They (Total War/SEGA) have inevitably also realised that the criticism and bad press will begin the minute the title is announced. So if you're looking for a whipping boy for any lack of or delays in announcements I suggest that we look to all the spamming haters that blight forums such as this, who just can't help themselves when it comes to inflicting their desperate need for relevance (anonymously) on the rest of us!

Total War are no doubt aware that the internet buzz that surrounds a product can have a positive or negative impact on the commercial success of the next title. They know for sure now that the aficionados of their history based products are hard-arsed and vocal: not backwards in coming forward with incisive critiques that influence important industry critics in how they rate and promote the game on their various platforms. So, I'm hoping the delays mean they are trying their very best to get it right straight up.

Here's to hope! If they have any commercial nous, the next historic title will be an award winning polished gem!