MOS, the ultimate TATW experience. Version 1.7 Patch 05 (Hotfix) released: 25-08-2015

[Greymane]

One question. Not sure if anyone has asked this but is this update from 1.6.1 to 1.6.2 save game compatible.

No, it's not.
Remember to download the 3 bugfixes before you start playing (and run the cleaner after) as they are not savegame compatible either.

[Luke1717]

Thanks Greymane I appreciate the reply. Just one question (this is for anyone) the change list mentions "New unit textures, armor upgrades, and strat map colors for Elves; new unit textures and armor upgrades for Gondor; faction names and ship models by dIRECT0R". The question is, does the texture changes work like in original ME2TW where a units look actually changed to reflect the updated armour or is that just new ship models for factions.

[Deathcake]

In some cases, yes there are visual armour upgrades to units for different armour levels, but not all units.... yet

[Duscha]

I forgot some things earlier:

I strongly vote for adjusted campaign map colours.

With fow_off Arnor reunited, Isengard and Mordor are sharing the same black with just another border colour. It's difficult to see quickly who's who on the campaign minimap. Obviously it's not the same color, but I always have to lock twice to be sure. Possibly replace the black of Isengard as Arnor and Mordor are unlikely to share borders. In general black is not a good colour for any faction on the campaign map. Some Mods changed the black of HRE in SS and it was very pleasing to see.

With fow_on it's especially difficult to tell a difference between the HE, Dwarfes and Dale regions. It looks all light blueish to me on a quick look.


Why is Grapeshot in the game? It's overpowered and I don't see any connection to the lore.


Once in a while I get fleet related quests during my dwarven campaign like "Blockade Port X and get some reward." Needless to say I'm not able to build a ship anywhere.

[Infidel144]

I forgot some things earlier:
Once in a while I get fleet related quests during my dwarven campaign like "Blockade Port X and get some reward." Needless to say I'm not able to build a ship anywhere.

You don't need a ship to blockade a port.
You can take a unit and stand it on the port to blockade it.

[Greymane]

Now that we are speaking about faction colors on the campaign map:
Am I the only one who almost cannot distinquish Lorien territory from Rebel territory?
Maybe make Lorien slightly more yellow or something?

[Duscha]

You don't need a ship to blockade a port.
You can take a unit and stand it on the port to blockade it.

Wow, thanks for the hint. Didn't know that.

Now that we are speaking about faction colors on the campaign map:
Am I the only one who almost cannot distinquish Lorien territory from Rebel territory?
Maybe make Lorien slightly more yellow or something?

Yes, that's another color issue. I forgot about that one.

[ellis_simpson]

Now that we are speaking about faction colors on the campaign map:
Am I the only one who almost cannot distinquish Lorien territory from Rebel territory?
Maybe make Lorien slightly more yellow or something?

Slightly easier when you have map info off them to be fair have a feeling lorien won't be around much longer though, sauron got his grubby little hands on the one ring!
yellow does make sense for lorien since the silvans are green not to mention lorien being full of malorn trees!

also finding it hard to distinguish mordor from isengard atm too, due to them both teaming up on rohan and gondor

[moralrelativism]

“Remember to download the 3 bugfixes before you start playing”
???
There are THREE of them?
May I ask where to find all of the three bugfixes?
In the first page there is only one bugfix download link...

[DaysBefore]

So if Aragorn is made faction leader of Gondor, I assume the faction leader title is changed to King instead of Steward. If so, is there a certain trait that affects this, and can it be applied to other characters?

[Flinn]

“Remember to download the 3 bugfixes before you start playing”
???
There are THREE of them?
May I ask where to find all of the three bugfixes?
In the first page there is only one bugfix download link...

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post13507584



page 14 of this thread, posted by Stylix

beware that sometime the page resizes, so just scroll to find the post from Stylix

[Ngugi]

So if Aragorn is made faction leader of Gondor, I assume the faction leader title is changed to King instead of Steward. If so, is there a certain trait that affects this, and can it be applied to other characters?

Nope, but it can be fixed manually super easy.
Open expanded.txt in data/text and look for this line;

EMT_SICILY_FACTION_LEADER_NAME}Steward %S

and this line;

EMT_SICILY_FORMER_FACTION_LEADER_TITLE}Steward

Change Steward to King and that's all. Saved game compatible.
And siply change back to Steward when you start a new campaign.

[Saitouakira]

Now that we are speaking about faction colors on the campaign map:
Am I the only one who almost cannot distinquish Lorien territory from Rebel territory?
Maybe make Lorien slightly more yellow or something?

your not the only one greymane i also have hard time with it

[DaysBefore]

Thanks for the help again Ngugi

[Carl Jung was right]

In my campaign, wooden castles aren't upgrading to the next tier. I've downloaded all the bugfixes, and they fixed an equivalent issue with the villages, but not with the Wooden Castles. Also, like I've said before, Dwarves and Arnor are camping several full stacks by their capitals and not doing anything with them. In fact, none of the factions for which I've activated the "ally invade" script, seem to be taking any initiative to enter enemy territory and engage hostile armies, dozens of turns after I enabled it. Could this be a military access issue?

[Veteraan]

In my campaign, wooden castles aren't upgrading to the next tier. I've downloaded all the bugfixes, and they fixed an equivalent issue with the villages, but not with the Wooden Castles. Also, like I've said before, Dwarves and Arnor are camping several full stacks by their capitals and not doing anything with them. In fact, none of the factions for which I've activated the "ally invade" script, seem to be taking any initiative to enter enemy territory and engage hostile armies, dozens of turns after I enabled it. Could this be a military access issue?

What faction are you playing?
If it's an Elven one, they can't upgrade castles. This has to do with Leo's alternative patch which is used in MOS.
This is also the case for OOG, OOTMM, MORDOR, ISENGARD and Rohan. See my post 1839 for details.

[Vossie]

What faction are you playing?
If it's an Elven one, they can't upgrade castles. This has to do with Leo's alternative patch which is used in MOS.

Does that go for all version of the mod? I recall being able to upgrade them as elves..

[Veteraan]

Does that go for all version of the mod? I recall being able to upgrade them as elves..

It's been like this for a while now, but IIRC in the early MOS versions this upgrade restrictions were not yet implemented.

From Leo's Alternative patch changelog:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

- New icons and descriptions for upgrading settlements. The ones in vanilla actually never matched reality. They were wall images, but when you upgrade the settlement you dont upgrade just the wall but all the settlment itself. For TATW, there is custom settlements wich dont even has walls. And as now factions like gondor will have stone walls for places where there was wooden ones before (large_towns), I've changed all these images to a generic building image. Each upgrade will show new descriptions matching the new system. The same goes to castles. So now upgrades in settlements will really worth a read on their descriptions! No more orc encampments with wooden palisades showing large stone walls descriptions, no more "God" quoted in fortress descriptions etc. Now everything is more to the LOTR mood.

-New descriptions for each faction on the faction choose menu, at the start of the campaign, showing its settlement features.

-Each faction will now have a more unique settlement characteristic. Some factions will not be able to upgrade certain types of settlements anymore, their building techtrees will be unlocked via 3 events, so they can upgrade all buildings, level after level with a new time/turn restriction, but they cannot upgrade the settlement itself. A proper analysis on that new system will prove it is lore accurate and also gives more uniqueness to each faction, beeing also a immersion booster. Settlements will be now a really different feature for each faction, like units are. This is how it will be:

GONDOR (ALL STRONG SETTLEMENTS)

-No restrictions about upgrading cities or castles.
-No wooden palisade walls in large towns but stone walls.
-No wooden wall in any castle level.

HARAD, RHUN, DALE

No restrictions about upgrading cities or castles.

FPPO (NORMAL)

No restrictions about upgrading cities or castles.
"Large_Castle" will load a "Castle" settlement, "Large_City" will load a "City" Settlement, and no ability to build ballista towers. After restoring Eriador, there will be no such restrictions anymore. That really makes the Restoring Arnor feature more interesting.

OOG, OOTMM, MORDOR and ISENGARD (WEAK CITIES, NO CASTLES)

Can upgrade all cities but no castles.
Cannot build balista towers, no building icon shown. (Their custom cities battlemaps has no towers, and that is lore accurate at all).

HIGH ELVES (NORMAL CITIES, NO CASTLES)

Can upgrade cities but no castles.

SILVAN ELVES (NORMAL CITIES, NO CASTLES)

Cannot upgrade castles or have stone walls in cities (city and large_city will load large_town model).
Cannot build ballista towers.

DWARVES (NORMAL)

Can upgrade everything. (But their city models are very limitated, see the preview)

ROHAN (WEAK CITIES, WOODEN CASTLE)

-Can upgrade all cities but is not able to have stone walls, even if the settlement upgrades to city or large city, it will still be a large town in the battle map. (weird siege engine animations in large cities but works anyway)
-Can upgrade castles until "wooden_castle". (Lore...)
-Cannot build balista towers, no building icon shown. (Lore reasons).

Only parts of Leo's mod are used in MOS and there are also a lot of changes in his mod that are not mentioned in the text above.
Check his THREAD if you want to know more.

[kandtcarroll]

Delete map.rwm file in your M2TW/ mods/ Folder where MOS is installed/data/ world/ maps/ base folder.

And, delete all *strings.bin files in your M2TW/ mods/ Folder where MOS is installed/data/ text folder.

Okay, I have everything working now. Thank you so much for your help.

[KoalaAkbar]

How do you construct a History Guild when playing as the High Elves????? It says that I need to construct one in Imaldris ( a large city) , but its only available for castles... and I cant convert it into a castle...