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[Gyrosmeister]

Amazonian's primary characteristics is that they're warriors. Apart from the Kinslaying as you seem to accept that, Galadriel is written to take part in the defense of Eragion in Second Age.

From the Unfinished Tales, she is also described as a commander: "She looked upon the Dwarves also with the eye of a commander, seeing in them the finest warriors to pit against the Orcs."

From Tolkien's own notes, referring to Galadriel and Celeborn, we know that they defended Eragion: "The best story seems to be that outlined under "Galadriel", in which they take part in the settlement of Eregion, and later of its defence against Sauron."

You saying that Galadriel never fought whatsoever is a blatant lie.

"Eye of the commander" does not mean that she was a commander herself, you can know who seems to be fit for combat without having to be an army commander yourself.
And for the 10000th time, being strong willed and power hungry does not equal army commander.
A marginal note and in the UT under Galadriel and Celeborn we read a lot about Celebrimbor. Celebrimbor sent one of the three rings to her for "safekeeping". It wouldn't make sense for her to be in Eregion when she was entrusted with a ring to keep away from Sauron. In the UT we know that Galadriel went to Lorinland or however Lorien was called back then around 1400, without Celeborn who stayed with Celebrimbor at Eregion. And there she was with Nenya. You are not going to war with a ring you were entrusted to keep safe and hidden

[z3n]

The letter where Tolkien says she was then of Amazon disposition relates it to athletic feats, says nothing about warriors.

Disposition has the definition as follows:

the particular type of character that a person naturally has:

a natural tendency to do something, or to have or develop something:

The word like has the definition of:

typical or characteristic of:

Everything to do with the character and word of amazon (mythologically, linguistically, historically) refers primarily to warrior women. In their Greek origin story Amazons were the daughters of Ares (that's the God of War in ancient Greece). Linguistically in Iran (ha-mazan = warriors) and other names Herodotus used referred explicitly to slaying men, or fighting them. The Greeks translated the word Amazon to be breastless on one side; saying it made it easier for women to shoot an arrow from bows when breastless on one side. Historically according to discoveries from the 1940s, the Amazons were based on Samartian and Scythian women who fought in battle (about one third of Scythian women were found with weapons and war injuries on their bones). Tolkien would have definitely known the mythological, and linguistic history; maybe even about the archaeological discoveries as well.

The use of "Amazon" next to the word of "disposition" (with its definition), makes it clear the word wasn't meant to be "Spartan" (spartan women were known to be athletic, but did not take part in war that often). Amazon is quite clear on the other hand and contains a host of imagery specifically relating to warrior women. Tolkien would have known precisely what imagery he was evoking with that word.

[Infidel144]

Oxford Learners dictionary:
1 (in ancient Greek stories) a woman from a group of female warriors (= soldiers)
2 amazon (literary) a tall strong woman
3 Amazon™ a company set up in 1994 to sell books through the internet. It was one of the first large companies to sell goods in this way. Customers can order books, music, DVDs and other products online, often at lower prices than the prices in shops, and the goods are delivered to their homes. The US-based website was followed by services in the UK, France, Japan and other countries. The company now also offers video, music, video game and computer services.

Oxford Languages:
1. a member of a legendary race of female warriors believed by the ancient Greeks to exist in Scythia (near the Black Sea in modern Russia) or elsewhere on the edge of the known world.
* a tall and strong or athletic woman.
2. a parrot, typically green, found in Central and South America

Hmmm....
"She was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats."
Letter 348
The letter mentions Galadriel (who, as previously established, is both a tall and strong woman) taking part in athletic feats in her youth.
The letter's use of the phrase 'amazon disposition' in the same sentence with athletic, and no mention of fighting or breasts (though binding up hair is) or scythians or war or greeks, makes it rather clear that her athletic prowess is being referred to.

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Make sure this does not get lost:

From Tolkien's own notes, referring to Galadriel and Celeborn, we know that they defended Eragion: "The best story seems to be that outlined under "Galadriel", in which they take part in the settlement of Eregion, and later of its defence against Sauron."

What does the "Galadriel" in "outlined under "Galadriel"" refer to?

[z3n]

Oxford Learners dictionary:
1 (in ancient Greek stories) a woman from a group of female warriors (= soldiers)
2 amazon (literary) a tall strong woman
3 Amazon™ a company set up in 1994 to sell books through the internet. It was one of the first large companies to sell goods in this way. Customers can order books, music, DVDs and other products online, often at lower prices than the prices in shops, and the goods are delivered to their homes. The US-based website was followed by services in the UK, France, Japan and other countries. The company now also offers video, music, video game and computer services.

Oxford Languages:
1. a member of a legendary race of female warriors believed by the ancient Greeks to exist in Scythia (near the Black Sea in modern Russia) or elsewhere on the edge of the known world.
* a tall and strong or athletic woman.
2. a parrot, typically green, found in Central and South America

Hmmm....
"She was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats."
Letter 348
The letter mentions Galadriel (who, as previously established, is both a tall and strong woman) taking part in athletic feats in her youth.
The letter's use of the phrase 'amazon disposition' in the same sentence with athletic, and no mention of fighting or breasts (though binding up hair is) or scythians or war or greeks, makes it rather clear that her athletic prowess is being referred to.

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Make sure this does not get lost:

What does the "Galadriel" in "outlined under "Galadriel"" refer to?

Disposition refers to the particular type of character that a person naturally has or their predilections. Therefore "amazon disposition" is intended to evoke imagery or characteristics related to the Amazon's and their nature; the primary one being female warriors.

Also Oxford Languages doesn't include your asterisk.

[Infidel144]

Disposition refers to the particular type of character that a person naturally has or their predilections. Therefore "amazon disposition" is intended to evoke imagery or characteristics related to the Amazon's and their nature; the primary one being female warriors.

Tolkien says athletic feats.
As previously established, to the Eldar, female warriors were "strange":

"They [the folk of Haleth/Haladin] did not willingly adopt new things or customs, and retained many practices that seemed strange to the Eldar and the other Atani, with whom they had few dealings except in war.[...] One of the strange practices spoken of was that many of their warriors were women, though few of these went abroad to fight in the great battles. This custom was evidently ancient; for their chieftainess Haleth had been renowned amazon with a picked bodyguard of women."
PoMe, Dwarves and Men

Also Oxford Languages doesn't include your asterisk.

It has a dot or circle. I don't know how to make the dot or circle that it has.

[z3n]

Tolkien says athletic feats.
As previously established, to the Eldar, female warriors were "strange":

"They [the folk of Haleth/Haladin] did not willingly adopt new things or customs, and retained many practices that seemed strange to the Eldar and the other Atani, with whom they had few dealings except in war.[...] One of the strange practices spoken of was that many of their warriors were women, though few of these went abroad to fight in the great battles. This custom was evidently ancient; for their chieftainess Haleth had been renowned amazon with a picked bodyguard of women."
PoMe, Dwarves and Men


It has a dot or circle. I don't know how to make the dot or circle that it has.

Tolkien says amazon disposition.

Furthermore, Galadriel, Eowyn and Haleth were each specially described as "Amazon" of character. Eowyn fought against the witch king, Haleth fought against the orcs, and Galadriel fought at Alqualondë.

[Infidel144]

Tolkien says amazon disposition.

In a sentence where he says Galadriel takes part in athletic feats. And says nothing about fighting or war in the letter.

Furthermore, Galadriel, Eowyn and Haleth were each specially described as "Amazon" of character. Eowyn fought against the witch king, Haleth fought against the orcs, and Galadriel fought the sons of Feanor.

Already addressed.

Tolkien specifically calls Haleth an amazon, and relates it to war and the ancient custom of the Haladin to have warrior women and her bodyguard of women. Which Elves find strange.

Elven-women will fight in desperate defence, such as Galadriel did at Alqualonde. But otherwise seem to abstain from hunting or war:
"...the virtue of the nissi in this matter [the art healing] was due rather to their abstaining from hunting or war than to any special power that went with their womanhood. Indeed in dire straits or desperate defence, the nissi fought valiantly..."
MR, Laws and Customs of the Eldar

So the one time (in several variants) Tolkien notes Galadriel as having been in combat is in her youth in Valinor fighting in defence of her mother's kin.
Perfectly in keeping with Laws and Customs of the Eldar and the fact that the Eldar consider warrior women strange.

[PointOfViewGun]

Peter Jackson created a non-existent warrior elf for his Hobbit movies, Tauriel, and we're here discussing that Galadriel is not described war-like enough to some people's liking, within the wider context that Amazon is somehow much less loyal to the source material compared to Peter Jackson...

[Infidel144]

Peter Jackson created a non-existent warrior elf for his Hobbit movies, Tauriel, and we're here discussing that Galadriel is not described war-like enough to some people's liking, within the wider context that Amazon is somehow much less loyal to the source material compared to Peter Jackson...

Whaaaa, What About Jackson!!!!
(There must be a Hobbit films thread where Jacksons bastardizations can be discussed...)

From Tolkien's own notes, referring to Galadriel and Celeborn, we know that they defended Eragion: "The best story seems to be that outlined under "Galadriel", in which they take part in the settlement of Eregion, and later of its defence against Sauron."

What does the "Galadriel" in "outlined under "Galadriel"" refer to?

[z3n]

In a sentence where he says Galadriel takes part in athletic feats. And says nothing about fighting or war.

The definition of disposition remains unchanged, and so does his deliberate use of amazon next to disposition.

Already addressed.

Tolkien specifically calls Haleth an amazon, and relates it to war and the custom of the Haladin to have warrior women and her bodyguard of women. Which Elves find strange.

Elven-women will fight in desperate defence, such as Galadriel did at Alqualonde. But otherwise seem to abstain from hunting or war:
"...the virtue of the nissi in this matter [the art healing] was due rather to their abstaining from hunting or war than to any special power that went with their womanhood. Indeed in dire straits or desperate defence, the nissi fought valiantly..."
MR, Laws and Customs of the Eldar

So the one time (in several variants) Tolkien notes Galadriel as having been in combat is in her youth in Valinor fighting in defence of her mother's kin.
Perfectly in keeping with Laws and Customs of the Eldar and the fact that the Eldar consider warrior women strange.

We do have other situations she was involved in battle (or led) as well. The kinslaying was definitely a stand out -- and rather amazon like really. I doubt many people could stomach that, even in defense of others hence its noteworthiness. Orcs would be far easier to kill.


"led by Fingolfin and his sons, and by Inglor and Galadriel the valiant and fair, they dared to pass [the Helcaraxë]..." - AAm (1950s)


"And after crossing the Helcaraxë, immediately befell "the first battle of Fingolfin's host with the Orks, the Battle of the Lammoth" "When the onset of the Orks caught the host at unawares as they marched southwards and the ranks of the Eldar were giving way, [Argon] sprang forward and hewed a path through the foes, daunted by his stature and the terrible light of his eyes, till he came to the Ork-captain and felled him. Then though he himself was surrounded and slain, the Orks were dismayed, and the Noldor pursued them with slaughter."" - Shibboleth ot Feanor (1968)


"They took Dol Guldur, and Galadriel threw down its walls and laid bare its pits, and the forest was cleansed." Appendix B, Lord of the Rings.





Also about your quote here's a fuller version, it says: "There are indeed some differences between the natural inclinations of neri [men] and nissi [women], and other differences that have been established by custom (varying in place and in time, and in the several races of the Eldar). For instance, the arts of healing, and all that touches on the care of the body, are among all the Eldar most practised by the nissi; whereas it was the elven-men who bore arms at need. And the Eldar deemed that the dealing of death, even when lawful or under necessity, diminished the power of healing, and that the virtue of the nissi in this matter was due rather to their abstaining from hunting or war than to any special power that went with their womanhood."



The part you focused on about healing is simply an incorrect belief some of the Eldar held (varying depending on race, and time), for example, Beleg was a well known healer and yet he killed many orcs. And again, it varied on time and race, which are important qualifiers.

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The definition of disposition remains unchanged, and so does his deliberate use of amazon next to disposition.

As does the use of athletic feats and lack of mention of battles, wars and fighting.

We do have other situations she was involved in battle (or led) as well. The kinslaying was definitely a stand out -- and rather amazon like really. I doubt many people could stomach that, even in defense of others hence its noteworthiness. Orcs would be far easier to kill.

Already addressed. Laws and Customs, says elf-women fight in desperate defence. Galadriel was horrified by it.


[/quote]"led by Fingolfin and his sons, and by Inglor and Galadriel the valiant and fair, they dared to pass [the Helcaraxë]..." - AAm (1950s)[/quote]
No battles there.

"And after crossing the Helcaraxë, immediately befell "the first battle of Fingolfin's host with the Orks, the Battle of the Lammoth" "When the onset of the Orks caught the host at unawares as they marched southwards and the ranks of the Eldar were giving way, [Argon] sprang forward and hewed a path through the foes, daunted by his stature and the terrible light of his eyes, till he came to the Ork-captain and felled him. Then though he himself was surrounded and slain, the Orks were dismayed, and the Noldor pursued them with slaughter."" - Shibboleth ot Feanor (1968)

No mention of Galadriel.

Also interesting is, as long as Letter 348 is being used, Tolkien was envisioning Galadriel as departing Valinor separately from the Exiles:
"Galadriel was 'unstained': she had committed no evil deeds. She was an enemy of Fëanor. She did not reach Middle-earth with the other Noldor, but independently."
Letter 353

"Galadriel, despairing now of Valinor and horrified by the violence and cruelty of Fëanor, set sail into the darkness without waiting for Manwë’s leave, which would undoubtedly have been withheld in that hour, however legitimate her desire in itself. It was thus that she came under the ban set upon all departure, and Valinor was shut against her return. But together with Celeborn she reached Middle-earth somewhat sooner than Fëanor, and sailed into the haven where Círdan was lord. There they were welcomed with joy, as being of the kin of Elwë (Thingol). In the years after they did not join in the war against Angband, which they judged to be hopeless under the ban of the Valar and without their aid..."
UT, History of Galadriel and Celeborn

"They took Dol Guldur, and Galadriel threw down its walls and laid bare its pits, and the forest was cleansed." Appendix B, Lord of the Rings.

Who was it that led the host of Lorien:
"Celeborn came forth and led the host of Lórien over Anduin in many boats. They took Dol Guldur, and Galadriel threw down its walls and laid bare its pits, and the forest was cleansed."
Celeborn leads the host of Lorien (much as he and/or Amroth do in various versions of the War of Elves and Sauron). Galadriel throws down the walls after Dol Guldur is taken.

Also about your quote here's a fuller version, it says: "There are indeed some differences between the natural inclinations of neri [men] and nissi [women], and other differences that have been established by custom (varying in place and in time, and in the several races of the Eldar). For instance, the arts of healing, and all that touches on the care of the body, are among all the Eldar most practised by the nissi; whereas it was the elven-men who bore arms at need. And the Eldar deemed that the dealing of death, even when lawful or under necessity, diminished the power of healing, and that the virtue of the nissi in this matter was due rather to their abstaining from hunting or war than to any special power that went with their womanhood."

Yes, "[healing arts] are among all the Eldar most practised by the nissi; whereas it was the elven-men who bore arms at need."
Elven-men bear arms at need.
The Eldar consider warrior-women a strange custom.

The part you focused on about healing is simply an incorrect belief some of the Eldar held (varying depending on race, and time), for example, Beleg was a well known healer and yet he killed many orcs. And again, it varied on time and race, which are important qualifiers.

I see, some of the Eldar are incorrect. Since Laws and Customs is an Amanyarin related work, I suppose it would be the Amanyarin Eldar hold the incorrect belief about other Eldar.
Last I checked, Galadriel was an Amanyarin Elda...

So even accepting your (fan-fiction) argument that some of Eldar are incorrect in their belief, your argument fails.

The nissi abstain from war and the Eldar consider warrior-women strange.

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As does the use of athletic feats and lack of mention of battles, wars and fighting.

Galadriel's amazon disposition is something we know about, whereas the type of athletics are never described to my knowledge (so what are you even attempting to get at; or is this simply to avoid discussing her amazon disposition?). Probably the only type of athletics we could properly guess at are archery competitions; which would again line up with her amazon disposition.

Already addressed. Laws and Customs, says elf-women fight in desperate defence.

Those vary depending on time and race.

No battles there.

As per the definition for the word immediately, there was a battle: "And after crossing the Helcaraxë, immediately befell "the first battle of Fingolfin's host with the Orks, the Battle of the Lammoth""

No mention of Galadriel.

The mention of Galadriel comes immediately (using Tolkien's word) before that; she was leading the host with the others.

Who was it that led the host of Lorien:

Who did Sauron perceive to be his chief obstacle and adversary?
"He perceived at once that Galadriel would be his chief adversary and obstacle, and he endeavored therefore to placate her, bearing her scorn with outward patience and courtesy"

Husband and wife are interchangeable as leaders, I'm not sure why you imagine that she wouldn't have been obeyed (she summoned the White Council for example). I don't think she really needs to be mentioned directly as a co-leader unlike the Fingolfin and Galadriel co-leader situation, especially as she's the one who threw down the walls shortly after.

Yes, "[healing arts] are among all the Eldar most practised by the nissi; whereas it was the elven-men who bore arms at need."

The words "most practised" don't mean it was solely women. As previously mentioned, Beleg was a male elf healer who killed orcs and was a hunter who caused death.

The nissi abstain from war and the Eldar consider warrior-women strange.

Galadriel didn't join the war for a very specific reason and the reason she did not join was unrelated to her being a woman (she viewed the war as hopeless). "In the years after they did not join in the war against Angband, which they judged to be hopeless under the ban of the Valar and without their aid"

If it was solely about being a woman, the quote would have read "Like other nissi, Galadriel abstained from joining the war against Angband and advised her husband Celebron against warring against Angband.". Unfortunately your fantasy doesn't really line up with the facts at hand and work Tolkien made.

I see, some of the Eldar are incorrect. Since Laws and Customs is an Amanyarin related work, I suppose it would be the Amanyarin Eldar hold the incorrect belief about other Eldar.
Last I checked, Galadriel was an Amanyarin Elda...

So even accepting your (fan-fiction) argument that some of Eldar are incorrect in their belief, your argument fails.

It's not really a matter of some Eldar being incorrect or not, in Tolkien's world there are often exceptions; for example Galadriel was the only woman of the Noldor to stand among the princes during the oath of feanor. "But Galadriel, the only woman of the Noldor to stand that day tall and valiant among the contending princes, was eager to be gone. No oaths she swore, but the words of Feanor concerning Middle-earth had kindled in her heart, for she yearned to see the wide unguarded lands and to rule there a realm at her own will".

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Galadriel's amazon disposition is something we know about, whereas the type of athletics are never described to my knowledge (so what are you even attempting to get at; or is this simply to avoid discussing her amazon disposition?). Probably the only type of athletics we could properly guess at are archery competitions; which would again line up with her amazon disposition.

The only person guessing is you.
Amazon disposition is related to athletic feats. There is no mention of war, fighting, etc. in that letter.

Those vary depending on time and race.

Irrelevant. Tolkien says, in Laws and Customs, that elf-women will fight in desperate defence, but abstain from war.

As per the definition for the word immediately, there was a battle: "And after crossing the Helcaraxë, immediately befell "the first battle of Fingolfin's host with the Orks, the Battle of the Lammoth""

I was referring to the quote from the Annals of Aman you provided. There is no battle when they are crossing the Helcaraxe. The battle of Lammoth is a late invention. There is no mention of Galadriel in the description of the Battle of Lammoth.

And again, as long as late writings such as letter 348 are being noted, Tolkien was envisioning Galadriel as departing Valinor separately from the Exiles:
"Galadriel was 'unstained': she had committed no evil deeds. She was an enemy of Fëanor. She did not reach Middle-earth with the other Noldor, but independently."
Letter 353
"Galadriel, despairing now of Valinor and horrified by the violence and cruelty of Fëanor, set sail into the darkness without waiting for Manwë’s leave, which would undoubtedly have been withheld in that hour, however legitimate her desire in itself. It was thus that she came under the ban set upon all departure, and Valinor was shut against her return. But together with Celeborn she reached Middle-earth somewhat sooner than Fëanor, and sailed into the haven where Círdan was lord."
UT, History of Galadriel and Celeborn

Galadriel, in these later writings leaves independently of the other Exiles.

The mention of Galadriel comes immediately (using Tolkien's word) before that; she was leading the host with the others.

No, Galadriel is not mentioned in the Battle of Lammoth passage.

Who did Sauron perceive to be his chief obstacle and adversary?
"He perceived at once that Galadriel would be his chief adversary and obstacle, and he endeavored therefore to placate her, bearing her scorn with outward patience and courtesy"

Galadriel in Eregion in the Second Age. Before she left Eregion for Lorien. Not particularly relevant to what I quoted Tolkien as saying about Celeborn leading the host of Lorien 5000 years later.

Husband and wife are interchangeable as leaders,

Tolkien said Celeborn led the host of Lorien. Tolkien did not say Celeborn and Galadriel led the host of Lorien.

I'm not sure why you imagine that she wouldn't have been obeyed

I did not say that. I quoted Tolkien saying Celeborn led the host of Lorien.
I'd say I was not sure why you think you should tell me what I imagine/think/want etc (as well as others). but you do that repeatedly. It is because I quote Tolkien's words and you just indulge in fan-fiction.

(she summoned the White Council for example). I don't think she really needs to be mentioned directly as a co-leader unlike the Fingolfin and Galadriel co-leader situation, especially as she's the one who threw down the walls shortly after.

Tolkien's direct statements >>> what you think.
Tolkien says Celeborn led the host. Tolkien does not say Galadriel led the host. That is your fan fiction.

The words "most practised" don't mean it was solely women. As previously mentioned, Beleg was a male elf healer who killed orcs and was a hunter who caused death.

Irrelevant comment, I did not say it was solely women that practised healing "...[healing arts] are among all the Eldar most practised by the nissi; whereas it was the elven-men who bore arms at need."

Galadriel didn't join the war for a very specific reason and the reason she did not join was unrelated to her being a woman (she viewed the war as hopeless). "In the years after they did not join in the war against Angband, which they judged to be hopeless under the ban of the Valar and without their aid"

If it was solely about being a woman, the quote would have read "Like other nissi, Galadriel abstained from joining the war against Angband and advised her husband Celebron against warring against Angband.". Unfortunately your fantasy doesn't really line up with the facts at hand and work Tolkien made.

Another irrelevant comment. My statement that the nissi abstain from war and the Eldar consider warrior-women strange was in response to your commentary about Laws and Customs, not the war against Angband.
My provision of the later variants of Galadriel going to Middle-earth was in response to the citing of Letter 348 and your provision of Annals of Aman material and Battle of Lammoth.
No doubt a deliberate action on your part to confuse the two.

It's not really a matter of some Eldar being incorrect or not,

I could swear you wrote "an incorrect belief some of the Eldar held". If it is not about some Eldar being incorrect, then maybe you should not claim that some Eldar are incorrect in their belief, as part of your argument (which Tolkien did not say).

in Tolkien's world there are often exceptions; for example Galadriel was the only woman of the Noldor to stand among the princes during the oath of feanor. "But Galadriel, the only woman of the Noldor to stand that day tall and valiant among the contending princes, was eager to be gone. No oaths she swore, but the words of Feanor concerning Middle-earth had kindled in her heart, for she yearned to see the wide unguarded lands and to rule there a realm at her own will".

That's great and all, and still Tolkien notes that the nissi abstain from war, and that the Eldar find the warrior woman thing strange.

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The only person guessing is you.
Amazon disposition is related to athletic feats. There is no mention of war, fighting, etc. in that letter.

You continually avoid and defy the definition of disposition, so you're obviously not arguing in good faith at this point.

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As per the definition for the word immediately, there was a battle: "And after crossing the Helcaraxë, immediately befell "the first battle of Fingolfin's host with the Orks, the Battle of the Lammoth""

The mention of Galadriel comes immediately (using Tolkien's word) before that; she was leading the host with the others.

Now, I want to more specifically address this in particular.
You have not actually read the passage about the battle of Lammoth. Because the word you emphasize and you claim as Tolkien's (immediately) is not used by Tolkien in the description of the battle. It does not seem to be used in the Shibboleth at all.

"And after crossing the Helcaraxë, immediately befell"
This is not Tolkien. Is it your invention?, or are you lifting it from someone else? and trying to pass it off as Tolkien's.

Tolkien's:
"the first battle of Fingolfin's host with the Orks, the Battle of the Lammoth"

"When the onset of the Orks caught the host at unawares as they marched southwards and the ranks of the Eldar were giving way, [Argon] sprang forward and hewed a path through the foes, daunted by his stature and the terrible light of his eyes, till he came to the Ork-captain and felled him. Then though he himself was surrounded and slain, the Orks were dismayed, and the Noldor pursued them with slaughter."
(bracketed Argon is a replacement for 'he' by either you or whoever you lifted it from)

That the battle did not happen 'immediately' should have been apparent from the "Orks caught the host at unawares as they marched southwards" and a look at the map would show that Lammoth is a good distance south of the Helcaraxe; as CT suggests in his commentary see the map at XI, 182.

[Jadli]

Ah, I guess you guys could argue about this till the end of the world ...

The fact is that there is some evidence she was a warrior back then, and its not implicitly stated she wasnt a warrior in the times the show is adapting.

Therefore, they are free to do this, and its not anti cannon (because again, its not implicitly stated she wasnt a warrior in these times)... get over it

(and once again, they are using some other sources than just the released books... Galadriel arc has lot of rewritten and somewhat contradicting infos in those notes etc... and I suppose some of it was giving her even more military credit...)

Didnt mention Elrond, because the passage I attached is referring to the Elves of Valinor, Elrond was not one of them.
About Elendil,he shouldn't be just a random captain because he is nobility, the Lord of Andunie.
Also the dwarf friendship thingy should have been part of Celebrimbor's story and not really Elrond's. About the hair, Tolkien mentioned "locks" so I think it's clear that this is long hair he is referring to.
About Numenor, ok granted they may have brought some people over from their colonies, but it is highly highly unlikely that the nobility of Numenor wouls have mixed with the lesser men from these areas.
About Galadriel, she shouldn't be riding on a horse hitting things with swords because she simply never did that. You can read UF, Silmarillion etc and you will find out that she never commanded any armies at all against Sauron, let alone Morgoth.
And if it is indeed so sketchy to adapt something like that, why do you hire two completely inexperienced show runners?

Nobody is taking that from Celebrimbor either, you can see in one of the promos, he is the one bringing Elrond to Moria/Khazad Dum.

Ah, didnt know what "locks" mean in this context, nvm...

Well, they proved themselves to have the best idea on what to adapt and how, obviously, unlike other ppl who also pitched theirs (like J J Abrams if I remember correctly)... Its actually quite nice that Amazon didnt take a "safe" route, but is trying to do something new and fresh, putting trust into this duo

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Therefore, they are free to do this, and its not anti cannon (because again, its not implicitly stated she wasnt a warrior in these times)...

Ah yes, you can find anything you want in Appendix BS...

(and once again, they are using some other sources than just the released books...

Such as?

Galadriel arc has lot of rewritten and somewhat contradicting infos in those notes etc...

No kidding. I've been quoting some that...
Unlike some others who do not have, and have not read, the materials they pretend to be quoting from (note the inability to answer a question about a quote provided, while the answer is noted with the passage, or the claiming of a quote as Tolkien's, when it wasn't), I have, and have read, the materials.

and I suppose some of it was giving her even more military credit...)

And back to Appendix BS...

[Jadli]

Embargo on critics reviews is lifted, dozens of them out from all the main critics... (though most of them dont seem to be spoiler free...)

For example

https://www.ign.com/articles/the-lor...source=twitter

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...n-look-amateur

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...box=1661954564

https://www.empireonline.com/tv/revi...ings-of-power/

a spoiler free YT review for example here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpo01KAs_i8

... but many and many more

Large majority of the reviews seem to be around 4 stars out of 5 , calling it a great success... so I guess the utter catastrophe that most of you seem to wish for (for whatever reason) is not happening

[mishkin]

Large majority of the reviews seem to be around 4 stars out of 5 , calling it a great success... so I guess the utter catastrophe that most of you seem to wish for (for whatever reason) is not happening

71 in metacritic
not bad at all

[Sir Adrian]

Embargo on critics reviews is lifted, dozens of them out from all the main critics... (though most of them dont seem to be spoiler free...)

For example

https://www.ign.com/articles/the-lor...source=twitter

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...n-look-amateur

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...box=1661954564

https://www.empireonline.com/tv/revi...ings-of-power/

a spoiler free YT review for example here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpo01KAs_i8

... but many and many more

Large majority of the reviews seem to be around 4 stars out of 5 , calling it a great success... so I guess the utter catastrophe that most of you seem to wish for (for whatever reason) is not happening

Critics reviews cannot be trusted in this day and age. The critics also initially gave GoT season 8 high scores for example. And it's not like Amazon is above paying for reviews, especially after all the hate it got. Wait for the user reviews.

As far as I'm concerned this show has exactly 1 episode to convince me.