Clearing Up Misconceptions about IRAN

[Fardin]

I heard a very funny story from wahhabies recently:They believe after exploding themselves between shias or their enemies they'll go to heaven and eat from its foods and honey so they carry a spoon with them all the time when they are going to explode themselves.We've found some spoons in the some of explosions areas in Iraq!

Kind of a general question.
What do you mean? They are Islamic clerics who also serve as judges of sorts.

It was a simple question.
If you communicate with them you'll realize that the most of them are very good persons.the most of them are really friendly and very wise and the most of them have a Lovable character;the most of them say hello and greeting with smiles to every stranger who looks at them.
Did you notice the "the most of them"sentence that I repeated?
because there are bad persons among them but a very low percent.

Also I like that you called out athanaric for being "brainwashed", yet no comment on the pictures "proving" Irans military might that had such obviously fake air craft that were made specifically as propaganda

I did not describe it because I had to translate a huge Farsi information to English and I was not in the mood for that so I'll put the website's links that described its features in Farsi but the images are English so you can see it's not a fake:http://www.yjc.ir/fa/news/5281078/آیا-جنگنده-قاهر-313-سال-2018-عملیاتی-می‌شود-تصاویر
http://www.yjc.ir/fa/news/4256218/جنگنده‌اي-که-نيروي-دريايي-آمريکا-را-فلج-مي‌کند-مشخصات-فني-قاهر-313

 

[reza_th1998]

isis threatened iran to terrorist attack.(loooool)

they confusion iran to some places.

http://www.aparat.com/v/3VlmD (with english language)
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and one video from a singer of iran from nuclear energy.

http://www.aparat.com/v/De92n

(with english subscript)
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[Fardin]

isis threatened iran to terrorist attack.(loooool)

they confusion iran to some places.

http://www.aparat.com/v/3VlmD (with english language)
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and one video from a singer of iran from nuclear energy.

http://www.aparat.com/v/De92n

(with english subscript)
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The first one is really funny.

 

[empr guy]

I did not describe it because I had to translate a huge Farsi information to English and I was not in the mood for that so I'll put the website's links that described its features in Farsi but the images are English so you can see it's not a fake:http://www.yjc.ir/fa/news/5281078/آیا-جنگنده-قاهر-313-سال-2018-عملیاتی-می‌شود-تصاویر
http://www.yjc.ir/fa/news/4256218/جنگنده‌اي-که-نيروي-دريايي-آمريکا-را-فلج-مي‌کند-مشخصات-فني-قاهر-313

From these pictures I see a plane with a max take off weight less then most fighters weigh empty, a cockpit too small for a man to actually sit in, the cockpit display looks like some sort of cessna control panel more then anything, air intake is above the wings instead of below, there is no engine nozzle, etc. and a country that has no aviation industry at all, instead of replacing it's 50's era fighters with something conventional suddenly built a super high tech 6th gen stealth fighter. Do you understand why people don't think it's real?

 

[sumskilz]

haha,Holocaust is nothing but a lie!

This cleared up some misconceptions for me.

 

[Roboute Guilliman]

Took you guys that long?

 

[Abdülmecid I]

I think you're very confused, the saudis being useful doesn't mean their country isn't a repressive hole. The Iranian government being retarded doesn't mean their objectively less (but still) country is worse then the Saudis. As for daesh being a relevant threat, Do you think it's Iran thats promoting the radical wahhabism that's used as a theological basis throughout the world?

I don't think he's confused, you both are simply examining the situation from different perspectives. From his own, rather ultra-nationalist and condescending towards Middle-Easterners point of view, Iran is indeed more dangerous for global stability and peace, because he consciously identifies both these notions with the foreign interests of the US, against which Iran and its proxies, such as Hezbollah present a greater threat than the disorganised and irregular Salafist terrorists. Appeals to the issue of human rights, such as his hope of Shias being behind the Paris attacks or repeatedly posting the number of executions in Iran, while conveniently ignoring the activities of the drug cartels and the foreign-backed terrorist groups of PJAK and Jundallah, are just useful pretexts, intending to hide tribalism and xenophobia under a thin humanitarian veil.

From these pictures I see a plane with a max take off weight less then most fighters weigh empty, a cockpit too small for a man to actually sit in, the cockpit display looks like some sort of cessna control panel more then anything, air intake is above the wings instead of below, there is no engine nozzle, etc. and a country that has no aviation industry at all, instead of replacing it's 50's era fighters with something conventional suddenly built a super high tech 6th gen stealth fighter. Do you understand why people don't think it's real?

I'm really clueless about engineering and military equipment, in general, so my question might sound stupid, but theoretically, couldn't Iran deploy stealth fighters, based on the knowledge acquired, after it brought down that American stealth aircraft, back in 2011. There are conflicting reports about the reliability of the Iranian copy, but, since the American version probably landed smoothly, without any serious damage, the Iranian claims might be not so easily dismissed.

 

[athanaric]

OK!I'll prove it to you.
1. Our Prophet was illiterate before he was chosen by God.So he could not write such a perfect book like Quran.

That's not proof, it's a closed belief system.

2. Every historian and history books proves that he was a honest,good-tempered and trustworthy man.

lol. Historians aren't even sure he existed at all.

Even all of the Arabs were fascinated by his morality and behaviors.

That explains why Arabs (followed by Pakistanis and Somalis) are leading all of the crime statistics in Germany (and probably France and Sweden as well).

Moving on...

Our only human rights issue from your view is free sexual relationships and nothing else.

Speaking of which, if I as an atheist were to have a relationship with an Iranian woman in Iran, what would be the consequences?

But look at yours!Hiroshima and Nagasaki,Iraqis civilians,Afghani civilians,Vietnamies civilians and......

Why should I feel responsible for what the Americans did? Ain't my country (yet). And anyway, if we listed the crimes of each people and country in the world, you'd find dirt on everyone. Americans aren't exceptional in that regard.

haha,Holocaust is nothing but a lie!

Hate to say it, but there's more proof for the Holocaust than there is for your god. Or anyone else's.

Even if it was true you must have built Israel in Germany not in Palestine,You see?it is just like a joke!

Because at that time, Germany was much more densely populated than the Palestinian mandate territory. And because the ancestral homeland of the Jews is in the Middle East, not Middle Europe.

We care about every muslim.

What about non-Muslims? Do you see them as human beings, too?

What do you mean by persecution?

Persecution of Kurds in Turkey and by IS and al-Nusra, and persecution of Iranian-speakers in Central Asia.

where are you from?If you anwer I'll answer.As I said before the propaganda and west's media affects both the Iranians and the western people.You imagine Iran as the Axis of Evil and the birth place of terrorist and Iranians imagine the west as a paradise.
Me , my family , my relatives , my friends , my friend's friends and... have not seen or heard anything about persecution in Irans prisons but we have seen the videos of torture and beating up people by CIA or soldiers or the police force in USA and western countries many time in TV and on internet.

I can't quite follow your logic here.

Oh really?Proof?western medias?fox new?BBC?or CNN?

Iranians.

We know them as a usurper of muslim lands and killer of children and civilians.these problems are not enough?We do not have any porblem with Jews.we want to eleminate Israel's regime not their people.

Apart from the propaganda about "killing civilians [blah blah]" - what has Israel ever done to Iran? What do you gain by being hostile to them?

 

[Condottiere 40K]

We're fairly sure that the New Testament, let alone the Old one, was extensively edited to fit in with the writers' agendas, not to mention that the language was polished up.

Iran's stealth fighter.

I thought the tractor was towing it.

 

[Fardin]

From these pictures I see a plane with a max take off weight less then most fighters weigh empty, a cockpit too small for a man to actually sit in, the cockpit display looks like some sort of cessna control panel more then anything, air intake is above the wings instead of below, there is no engine nozzle, etc. and a country that has no aviation industry at all, instead of replacing it's 50's era fighters with something conventional suddenly built a super high tech 6th gen stealth fighter. Do you understand why people don't think it's real?

Actually it's5th generation and It 's a demo it will be completed in 2018

That's not proof, it's a closed belief system.

you are being so illogical.come on!

lol. Historians aren't even sure he existed at all.

Really??what's their reason?

That explains why Arabs (followed by Pakistanis and Somalis) are leading all of the crime statistics in Germany (and probably France and Sweden as well).

Arabs and Africans are not sample of all muslims.please travel to Iran you'll see the real muslims behaviors when you felt safer than western countries.

Speaking of which, if I as an atheist were to have a relationship with an Iranian woman in Iran, what would be the consequences?

Every country has its rules.If you want a relationship you must marry her or have it in private.

Why should I feel responsible for what the Americans did? Ain't my country (yet). And anyway, if we listed the crimes of each people and country in the world, you'd find dirt on everyone. Americans aren't exceptional in that regard.

I did not know where you are from so I counted the west and Nato's crimes.As far as I know Germany is in Nato is not it?
Specially Germany provided Saddam with chemical weapons to use it in Iran.We have so many reasons to hate westerns but we do not.

Hate to say it, but there's more proof for the Holocaust than there is for your god. Or anyone else's.

In Imam Reza's shrine there is place named "Panjareh Foolad"Many disabled people and ill people were cured By Imam Reza how do you explain this?

Because at that time, Germany was much more densely populated than the Palestinian mandate territory. And because the ancestral homeland of the Jews is in the Middle East, not Middle Europe.

It's not a acceptable reason.the Nazis killed them not the Palestinians.

What about non-Muslims? Do you see them as human beings, too?

Of course we do.You did not see I mentioned Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Vietnam?

Persecution of Kurds in Turkey and by IS and al-Nusra, and persecution of Iranian-speakers in Central Asia.

Al Nusra and ISIS was created and trained by western governments to eliminate the Asad's regime but then they became rebels.
They are not a non muslim country and Kurd people exist in Iraq and Turkey and Syria,they are not Iranian Kurds.We con not meddle in Turkey for this reason.We go to a country when they ask for help not whenever we wanted unlike the usurper Western countries.

I can't quite follow your logic here.

Neither I can yours

Iranians.

what do tou mean?

Apart from the propaganda about "killing civilians [blah blah]" - what has Israel ever done to Iran? What do you gain by being hostile to them?

I said the war declaration conditions before.even Last year they killed an Iranian general in Syria.they confessed the did that in their medias

 

[reza_th1998]

That's not proof, it's a closed belief system.


lol. Historians aren't even sure he existed at all.



That explains why Arabs (followed by Pakistanis and Somalis) are leading all of the crime statistics in Germany (and probably France and Sweden as well).

Moving on...


Speaking of which, if I as an atheist were to have a relationship with an Iranian woman in Iran, what would be the consequences?


Why should I feel responsible for what the Americans did? Ain't my country (yet). And anyway, if we listed the crimes of each people and country in the world, you'd find dirt on everyone. Americans aren't exceptional in that regard.


Hate to say it, but there's more proof for the Holocaust than there is for your god. Or anyone else's.


Because at that time, Germany was much more densely populated than the Palestinian mandate territory. And because the ancestral homeland of the Jews is in the Middle East, not Middle Europe.


What about non-Muslims? Do you see them as human beings, too?


Persecution of Kurds in Turkey and by IS and al-Nusra, and persecution of Iranian-speakers in Central Asia.


I can't quite follow your logic here.


Iranians.


Apart from the propaganda about "killing civilians [blah blah]" - what has Israel ever done to Iran? What do you gain by being hostile to them?

do you study quran yet???

everywhere it has miracles.and illiterate human cant write it.

some miracles in the quran:

1.للَّهُ الَّذِی رَفَعَ السَّماوَاتِ به غیرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا (رعد/2)

god is the one who created skys and raised it with columns that you cant see them.(gravity)

2.وَهُوَ الَّذِی خَلَقَ اللَّیْلَ وَالنَّهَارَ وَالشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ کُلٌّ فِی فَلَکٍ یَسْبَحُونَ

he who created night and day and sun an moon while each float in orbital.

3.وَمَن یُرِدْ أَن یُضِلَّهُ یَجْعَلْ صَدْرَهُ ضَیِّقاً حَرَجاً کَأَنَّمَا یَصَّعَدُ فِی السَّماءِ (انعام/ 125)

and god misleads everyone that want.(for sins).and hand is breast does tight bounes he want climb up in the sky.(hard to breathe in height)

...

illiterate human cant say these.
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if I as an atheist were to have a relationship with an Iranian woman in Iran, what would be the consequences?

i should me nobody arent aware from your belifes.and nobody not injury to you.

imam ali advise a his followers that he should bahave justly to every one and not just misliims.

Hate to say it, but there's more proof for the Holocaust than there is for your god. Or anyone else's.

looool.my god=your god.i have a question.do jews have had a country in years a go???

if a chirstain kill the jews why muslims should responsible it????

Because at that time, Germany was much more densely populated than the Palestinian mandate territory. And because the ancestral homeland of the Jews is in the Middle East, not Middle Europe.

they were in there but they didnt have a country.

What about non-Muslims? Do you see them as human beings, too?

for this refer to imam ali.

also prophet sayed if a muslim hear request of oppressed and he dont help he not muslim.

i should say that you havent enough information about islam and muslims and your information are from western media.please more than this

investigate.

 

[Fardin]

I apologize from you because I won't be available for three weeks but My friends Aztec and Zarmehr will answer to the questions and misconceptions.

 

[Dromikaites]

haha,Holocaust is nothing but a lie!

That cleared a lot of misconceptions for me as well.

Keep up the good work!

 

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Fardin don't say like that. You might get banned.

BTW I wanted this thread to be a little less political than the last ones I visited. Which is why I don't ask too many hard political questions. Because in this case no one will change their mind.
Favourite Iranian city anyone?
I can't decide between Shiraz, Qazvin or Isfahan.... hmmmm Masshad is cool too.

 

[zarmehr]

 

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Can't remember what that first one is. The last one is Isfahan.
Scratch Qazvin from my list. I like Masshad, Isfahan and Shiraz more.

 

[reza_th1998]

Fardin don't say like that. You might get banned.

BTW I wanted this thread to be a little less political than the last ones I visited. Which is why I don't ask too many hard political questions. Because in this case no one will change their mind.
Favourite Iranian city anyone?
I can't decide between Shiraz, Qazvin or Isfahan.... hmmmm Masshad is cool too.

isfahan and shiraz are very very beautiful.there are many historic building in them.

also mashad is very attractive.im living in mashad.and i should say it isnt vety cool except in winter but now it is veryy hot really.

 

[zarmehr]

That cleared a lot of misconceptions for me as well.

Keep up the good work!

Brother,I think if we keep discussing about holocaust,the topic will be close soon.The dude made this topic only for introduce Iran from iranians perspective and clear up some misconceptions for you by answering your questions.that's it.of cource if it wasnt a problem we could more Discuss about it.

 

[reza_th1998]

its a video for those who think wrong about iran.

http://www.aparat.com/v/KDxL6

 

[Fardin]

For my Last word before my long absence I apologize for for my misbehave in some cases.I said Holocaust is a lie because it has nothing to do with muslims and it's not a proper reason for establishing Israel in muslims lands.

Fardin don't say like that. You might get banned.

BTW I wanted this thread to be a little less political than the last ones I visited. Which is why I don't ask too many hard political questions. Because in this case no one will change their mind.

Yes,I'm sorry.I was angry a bit.I was hoping this too but when some people tried to ruin the thread with their poisonous words I could not stop defending my country from Accusations of some people.
If you say my words does not changes the minds of these people about Iran,I stop the political debate and I'll ask my friends to do it too.We will continue the discussions about Iranian culture,people,history and Shia ideology and our 12 Imams so My friends will continue to share more information about these subjects.I ask from the moderators to avoid political words from now on.

Favourite Iranian city anyone?
I can't decide between Shiraz, Qazvin or Isfahan.... hmmmm Masshad is cool too.

Isfahan , Shiraz and Yazd are my favorites.

 

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

I think that would be best. Though I just don't want to get involved in political arguments in here. If you guys want to that is fine. Just that I don't think anyone will change their minds over anything with this thread.

 

[zarmehr]

 

[empr guy]

. I'm really clueless about engineering and military equipment, in general, so my question might sound stupid, but theoretically, couldn't Iran deploy stealth fighters, based on the knowledge acquired, after it brought down that American stealth aircraft, back in 2011. There are conflicting reports about the reliability of the Iranian copy, but, since the American version probably landed smoothly, without any serious damage, the Iranian claims might be not so easily dismissed.

If you look at the Chinese aviation industry, they've been struggling to build good jet engines even though they are reverse engineering what they buy from Russia and have tech deals for some of the older stuff, so even though they've been told how to build it they can't reliably. Even if the Iranians figured out what the spy drones made of (probably some radar absorbing material) it doesn't mean they can actually make it, and there's no guarantee that they could gain anything from the software that actually makes the drone run. So the drone might help with their drone program, but a reverse engineered 5th gen fighter in ~7 years when country's like Russia have been struggling to build a quality 5th gen fighter for ~20 years? It's obviously fake.

 

[zarmehr]

Shushtar hydraulic structures

 

[Col. Tartleton]

If you look at the Chinese aviation industry, they've been struggling to build good jet engines even though they are reverse engineering what they buy from Russia and have tech deals for some of the older stuff, so even though they've been told how to build it they can't reliably. Even if the Iranians figured out what the spy drones made of (probably some radar absorbing material) it doesn't mean they can actually make it, and there's no guarantee that they could gain anything from the software that actually makes the drone run. So the drone might help with their drone program, but a reverse engineered 5th gen fighter in ~7 years when country's like Russia have been struggling to build a quality 5th gen fighter for ~20 years? It's obviously fake.

In fairness China still has trouble reverse engineering designer handbags.

 

[zarmehr]

Hi guys,Here you can see the usefull article i found about Imam Hussayn ibn Ali (R) in english.I hope you get some of information you interested to know about this love of muslems:
http://www.valiasr-aj.com/english/shownews.php?idnews=363
Also you can see this site:www.valiasr-aj.com

 

[Exarch]

let's finally, someone ask the important questions:
how do i find good wine and easy women in Iran?

 

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

You don't?

 

[Condottiere 40K]

You get arrested if you're too obviously happy or gay.

 

[zarmehr]

Iran is not like that.women are sacred in our culture.Here Prostitution is an unacceptable act and its not bcause of law of islam or government,but its forbidden in our culture,anyway still very small number of people(who are under influence of your culture)do such of things,in secret.and you must forget about the wine really,because its also made by minority west follower.