Tactics questions thread

[24Gamer]

yups 1 auxilia to much

I also use 4 units of auxiliary...
Therefore i only have one javelin unit in my legion...

 

[Hesus de bodemloze]

I also use 4 units of auxiliary...
Therefore i only have one javelin unit in my legion...

i never use 4 only 3 and 4 missile.

 

[The10thLegion]

3 is enough for me, 2 for the flanks, 1 for reserve

 

[avesta]

WELL is anyone gonna try my tactic and see how it works for them??

 

[MasterAdnin]

Oh sorry guys. You're right, I had 21 units, but I updated it now, and contrary to popular belief, the two Auxilia on each side was correct, but 4 missile units was incorrect.

Salaam,
Adnan

 

[Hesus de bodemloze]

oke man thx for the formation.

 

[S u l l a]

WELL is anyone gonna try my tactic and see how it works for them??

I always use my archers on enemy missile.

Sometimes, but not very often, I tend to use flaming arrows, but not on the weaker units but on elite infantry ones like Armored Hoplites or Chosen Axemen. This in case they hold their lines and my army is weaker from the start. That will decrease their morale. I do not waste arrows on the weaker enemy infantry units. They will rout anyway against my legion cohorts.

 

[S u l l a]

ahh, one more situation when flaming arrows could be useful - if you face lots of elephants and your velites for some reason can not deal with all of them (elephants keep their distance or there are too many of them) then flaming arrows can make elephants panick and rout towards their own lines

 

[Hesus de bodemloze]

i tryed that but it didn t work for me. lol

 

[avesta]

I always use my archers on enemy missile.

Sometimes, but not very often, I tend to use flaming arrows, but not on the weaker units but on elite infantry ones like Armored Hoplites or Chosen Axemen. This in case they hold their lines and my army is weaker from the start. That will decrease their morale. I do not waste arrows on the weaker enemy infantry units. They will rout anyway against my legion cohorts.

So you didn't understand the logic of my tactic.

By using flaming arrows on that weak unit, you are causing it to route sooner. This rout will in turn cause the other enemy units' morale to drop as well; allowing you to fire flaming arrows, and make cavalry charges at the decisive moment. Remember, it is not a matter of killing all the enemy foes, it is a matter of routing them.

 

[Hesus de bodemloze]

yups i normaly consentrate most of my forces on one flank get my cav at that side and charge them in there backs cousing the flank to route. afhter that the enemie armies is lost for good and thy know it so thy will run run run for there lifes

 

[The10thLegion]

i attack from both sides with my calvary

 

[Hesus de bodemloze]

most of the time from one side for the extra punch i use them both. some times i use them one side each.

 

[S u l l a]

So you didn't understand the logic of my tactic.

By using flaming arrows on that weak unit, you are causing it to route sooner. This rout will in turn cause the other enemy units' morale to drop as well; allowing you to fire flaming arrows, and make cavalry charges at the decisive moment. Remember, it is not a matter of killing all the enemy foes, it is a matter of routing them.

I do understand your logic and I have used that tactic myself when figuring out and finetuning my prefferred ways of tactics. Well everyone has their own style I guess. I am successful with mine. Anyway, thx for posting, it is always interesting to see how others think and play.

 

[S u l l a]

i tryed that but it didn t work for me. lol

heh, the AI always do it on me when I deploy Elephants, that is why I seldom use Elephants myself.

 

[avesta]

I do understand your logic and I have used that tactic myself when figuring out and finetuning my prefferred ways of tactics. Well everyone has their own style I guess. I am successful with mine. Anyway, thx for posting, it is always interesting to see how others think and play.

I know people like you, you just want to kill every single last enemy, you don't want to rout them!!

Bloodthirsty commanders you are!!

 

[The10thLegion]

hey! That red stuff on my mouth is kool aid!

 

[MasterAdnin]

Avesta, I prefer my formation over yours not because I made it, but because I can get the most amount of kills with the least casualties. I like that because I can completely decimate the enemy and will not have to face another army for awhile. This lets me build up regions in preparation for the enemies next attack.

If I'm heavily outnumbered, like 3-1, then yes, I go for the routing method where I focus all my missile units on the weakest infantry unit, although even then I like to evenly distribute missile fire as it will not create unevenness in the battle line.

Salaam,
Adnan

 

[Garnier]

I place my archers on the sides behind my flanks, and they fire at an angle across the battle into the flanks of usually the lowest morale unit, using firearrows. This causes a rout, but I do place units behind the enemy before routing them, to collect all the routers. I usually don't get all of them though.

 

[The10thLegion]

it's almost impossible to catch them all. My tactic if possible is to hide my calvary then attack flanks. This is the ultimate router if combined with fire arrows.

 

[MasterAdnin]

I see you guys chase down routers too. I thought I was the only one. Anyway, I usually flank with my Auxillia, then once they're engaged I charge with my cavalry to rout the enemy. It's simple and effective.

Salaam,
Adnan

 

[68 Powers]

damn right i chase routers. i wont have to fight that person again haha

 

[avesta]

but I like fighting! the campaign is boring, I just want battles

 

[Banzai!]

I just put all my inf in a double line, maybe with a single line in the centre. Spearmen I always put in the front line. Spearmen (shields) have high defense value so they can pin the enemy. I use the guys at the back as a reserve, intercepting cavalry or engaging engaged cavalry, and flanking, as well as to reinforce crumbling units.

 

[avesta]

as well as to reinforce crumbling units

Ancient warfare is just beautiful...men coming to the aid of their brothers and countrymen...in desperate need of support for their lives.

 

[S u l l a]

Avesta, I prefer my formation over yours not because I made it, but because I can get the most amount of kills with the least casualties. I like that because I can completely decimate the enemy and will not have to face another army for awhile. This lets me build up regions in preparation for the enemies next attack.

If I'm heavily outnumbered, like 3-1, then yes, I go for the routing method where I focus all my missile units on the weakest infantry unit, although even then I like to evenly distribute missile fire as it will not create unevenness in the battle line.

Salaam,
Adnan

This is exactly my reason and thinking.

 

[S u l l a]

I know people like you, you just want to kill every single last enemy, you don't want to rout them!!

Bloodthirsty commanders you are!!

heh don't "flame" me

I actually try to chase down routers when they do rout

 

[MasterAdnin]

I just came up with a new formation for Republican, Imitation, and Imperial Legions. Here it is:

LLLLLL=Legionary Cohort in Shield Wall Formation
LLLL=Legionary Cohort in Standard Formation
CC=Cavalry
AAAA=Auxillia
MMMM=Missile Units
LGFC=Legionary First Cohort
G=General
----=Space

--LLLL-LLLL-LLLLLL-LLLLLL-LLLL-LLLL
----LLLL-------LLLLLL-------LLLL
AAAA-CC-MMMM-MMMM-MMMM-CC-AAAA
AAAA----------G---LGFC--------AAAA


Ok so the purpose of this formation is to envelope the enemy. The three units of Legionaries in the center take most of the shock and the blow of the enemy units. Since they are in shield wall and guard mode, they are pushed back, but not routed. Since the units to the flanks are superior, coupled with cavalry, and auxillia, you will be able to surround the enemy, closing off their route of escape as well as allowing you to be free to slaughter the enemy. I have yet to test this formation, but I will tonight. What do you guys think?

Salaam,
Adnan

 

[Hesus de bodemloze]

looks nice man, but moste of the time enemie spread around so those front line legionary s in loose formation will get smacht to by enemie units i think.

 

[MasterAdnin]

looks nice man, but moste of the time enemie spread around so those front line legionary s in loose formation will get smacht to by enemie units i think.

I just played a simulation battle to see how well the formation would do. Here are the results, just to clarify, I ended the battle early:

The battle would have been much more one sided in my favor had I not made a great tactical mistake. I should have seen it and taken advantage of it, yet I did not. I can pretty safely say this tactic works, but here are some of my observations.

The Germanians went for the Legionaries on the edges of the formation, so it seems as though the AI is wired to attack the flanks. In order to counter this, once you see the two flanks in full combat, take the center three Legionaries, move one unit to each flank, and enclose the Germanians. They will be helpless and you can slaughter them.

You will notice a gap right in the middle of your formation. Close this up with the third Legionary unit which made up the center of the formation. If need be, you can use your Legionary First Cohort to help in this task as well. All in all, this was a good formation to use if you wish to decimate an enemy army.

Salaam,
Adnan