Question to Agnostics

Question to Agnostics

Why can't agnostics make a decision between the existence and the non-existence of God

  • Laziness to look for answers / think about answers.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • They are too scared to admit to be an atheist in case they're wrong and God punishes them.

    Votes: 5 26.3%
  • Inability to make a decision on anything.

    Votes: 4 21.1%
  • Not enough absurdity and arrogance to be an atheist, not enough piety to be a religious person.

    Votes: 8 42.1%
  • They are just trying to be PC.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Solipsism.

    Votes: 2 10.5%

  • Total voters
    19
if agnostics are just weak atheists then why can I be an agnostic and be a devout theist?

agnostics are not weak atheists, if anything weak atheists fit only the derogatory description, people who claim agnosticism because they know its right, yet they still make a statement of probability without any proof whatsoever, its intellectual cowardice at its best.

I am an agnostic theist
Now you're contradicting yourself...
You're an agnostic theist, which means you also claim agnosticism but still make a statement of probability.
How is this different from agnostic atheist?

You are re-framing the debate.

Though I appreciate what you are saying and you are certainly correct, you are speaking about the applications of agnosticism not the intellectual conception. Certainly, in practice we are theist or atheist, we either consider the "god" related consequences or we don't. And there is certainly an argument to be made that one's actions are one's beliefs.

One may act as if there is a god, or as if there is not.... but that has bears no consequence on God's existence or our theories thereof.

Just to put this back on topic, though, whether I choose to go left, or choose to go right, or choose to stand there refusing the decision, does not mean I am incapable of discussing the lampost and the merits of going left or right.

Excellent post. Agnosticism is the only rational position, but my objection is simply to those who say that this is an alternative to atheism and theism. Agnosticism is not a belief system, and should not be confused as such: it's a statement about your degree of certainty.
 
I know atheism is weak though. Weak in faith, weak in arguments, weak in mind and heart.



Well, another cowardly run-away from the truth.



You're just trying to be PC. I know your type, exactly from the posting style. You can't fool me.

What is wrong with you?

If anyone, you are the last person that is able to judge people. Who are you to judge us on our beliefs? They aren't up to your standards? Then deal with it. You speak of the "truth" - and I'm not sure if you actually believe the things you're saying - but nobody knows the truth. That is the essence of agnosticism: no one truly knows for sure and it is impossible to know. The only thing you can do is be intolerant and disrespectful to others. We can believe whatever we want. So stop trolling everyone in your ridiculous threads.
 
After seing another post of the OP.

I really hope he is a Troll if not I really lost my hope on people.
I dont care if you do stupid pools because everebody has the right to not know something.
What i really dont like about you is that you simply ignore what people tryes to say. You try to make a discussion but you is not wanting to learn nothing.
 
I know atheism is weak though. Weak in faith, weak in arguments, weak in mind and heart.
Quite possibly the least intelligent description of atheism I have ever read. You come up with this piffle rather than making any thoughtful argument and then accuse someone else of cowardly running away from the truth.
You're just trying to be PC. I know your type, exactly from the posting style. You can't fool me.
When did being rational become the same thing as being "PC?"
 
:crying: This poll calls me absurd and arrogant...

And I disagree with atheists being weak, I am a more devout atheist than many theists are theists
 
It is possible through the gathering of enough knowledge and wisdom that definatively disproving god is an option. Never say that god will never be disproven.

For example humans could make a time machine and go back to when the miracles were supposed to occur or who wrote the bible and a whole bunch of other stuff that could totally prove it was a hoax.
 
Now you're contradicting yourself...
You're an agnostic theist, which means you also claim agnosticism but still make a statement of probability.
How is this different from agnostic atheist?



Excellent post. Agnosticism is the only rational position, but my objection is simply to those who say that this is an alternative to atheism and theism. Agnosticism is not a belief system, and should not be confused as such: it's a statement about your degree of certainty.


Common ground: Found. + rep.
 
Excellent post. Agnosticism is the only rational position, but my objection is simply to those who say that this is an alternative to atheism and theism. Agnosticism is not a belief system, and should not be confused as such: it's a statement about your degree of certainty.

Yeah??? You call this rational?? :laughter: I call BS.

Agnostic's Prayer

"Insofar as I may be heard by anything, which may or may not care what I say, I ask, if it matters, that you be forgiven for anything you may have done or failed to do which requires forgiveness. Conversely, if not forgiveness but something else may be required to insure any possible benefit for which you may be eligible after the destruction of your body, I ask that this, whatever it may be, be granted or withheld, as the case may be, in such a manner as to insure your receiving said benefit. I ask this in my capacity as your elected intermediary between yourself and that which may not be yourself, but which may have an interest in the matter of your receiving as much as it is possible for you to receive of this thing, and which may in some way be influenced by this ceremony. Amen."
 
Agnostic's Prayer

"Insofar as I may be heard by anything, which may or may not care what I say, I ask, if it matters, that you be forgiven for anything you may have done or failed to do which requires forgiveness. Conversely, if not forgiveness but something else may be required to insure any possible benefit for which you may be eligible after the destruction of your body, I ask that this, whatever it may be, be granted or withheld, as the case may be, in such a manner as to insure your receiving said benefit. I ask this in my capacity as your elected intermediary between yourself and that which may not be yourself, but which may have an interest in the matter of your receiving as much as it is possible for you to receive of this thing, and which may in some way be influenced by this ceremony. Amen."
Very funny, Chuckles. Though not, insofar as I can tell, much different in general content from the prayers of Theists...

For fairly obvious reasons, though, agnostics generally don't pray to the divine. Fail.
 
If agnostics lack proof of God's existence, why aren't they Atheists? I think all of them should be called atheists.
 
Not enough conviction, as it were. Proving the non-existence of God isn't any easier than proving His existence after all, making "hard" atheism essentially as much an arbitrary issue of faith as Theism. Which generally doesn't appeal to agnostics.

Haven't we explained this to you several times already ?
 
Don't act dumber than you are, please. It wastes time and posts.
 
If agnostics lack proof of God's existence, why aren't they Atheists? I think all of them should be called atheists.
Because they have a different position on the existence of deities. Isn't that obvious. Read this if you really don't understand.
There's no "hard" atheism, atheism is always the weakest option.
One can easily differentiate between strong/positive and weak/negative atheism. According to The Cambridge Companion to Atheism, "If you look up “atheism” in a dictionary, you will find it defined as the belief that there is no God. Certainly, many people understand “atheism” in this way. Yet this is not what the term means if one considers it from the point of view of its Greek roots. In Greek “a” means “without” or “not,” and “theos” means “god.”1 From this standpoint, an atheist is someone without a belief in God; he or she need not be someone who believes that God does not exist.2 Still, there is a popular dictionary meaning of “atheism” according to which an atheist is not simply one who holds no belief in the existence of a God or gods but is one who believes that there is no God or gods. This dictionary use of the term should not be overlooked. To avoid confusion, let us call it positive atheism and let us call the type of atheism derived from the original Greek roots negative atheism. No general definition of “God” will be attempted here,3 but it will prove useful to distinguish a number of different concepts of God that have figured in the traditional controversies and debates about religion. In modern times “theism” has usually come to mean a belief in a personal God who takes an active interest in the world and who has given a special revelation to humans. So understood, theism stands in contrast to deism, the belief in a God that is based not on revelation but on evidence from nature. The God assumed by deists is usually considered to be remote from the world and not intimately involved with its concerns. Theism is also to be contrasted with polytheism, the belief in more than one God, and with pantheism, the belief that God is identical with nature.
Negative atheism in the broad sense4 is then the absence of belief in any god or Gods, not just the absence of belief in a personal theistic God, and negative atheism in the narrow sense is the absence of belief in a theistic God. Positive atheism in the broad sense is, in turn, disbelief in all gods, with positive atheism in the narrow sense being the disbelief in a theistic God. For positive atheism in the narrow sense to be successfully defended, two tasks must be accomplished. First, the reasons for believing in a theistic God must be refuted; in other words, negative atheism in the narrow sense must be established. Second, reasons for disbelieving in the theistic God must be given.
These categories should not be allowed to mask the complexity and variety of positions that atheists can hold, for a given individual can take different atheistic positions with respect to different concepts of God. Thus, a person might maintain that there is good reason to suppose that anthropomorphic gods such as Zeus do not exist and therefore be a positive atheist with respect to Zeus and similar gods. However, he or she could, for example, be only a negative atheist with respect to Paul Tillich’s God.5 In addition, people can and often do hold different atheistic positions with respect to different conceptions of a theistic God. For example, someone could be a positive atheist with respect to Aquinas’ God and only a negative atheist with respect to St. Teresa’s God."


Also, how have you concluded that atheism is always the weakest option? Certainly not through any logical process I'm familiar with...

Agnostic's Prayer

"Insofar as I may be heard by anything, which may or may not care what I say, I ask, if it matters, that you be forgiven for anything you may have done or failed to do which requires forgiveness. Conversely, if not forgiveness but something else may be required to insure any possible benefit for which you may be eligible after the destruction of your body, I ask that this, whatever it may be, be granted or withheld, as the case may be, in such a manner as to insure your receiving said benefit. I ask this in my capacity as your elected intermediary between yourself and that which may not be yourself, but which may have an interest in the matter of your receiving as much as it is possible for you to receive of this thing, and which may in some way be influenced by this ceremony. Amen."
I'd post the troll's prayer, but I'd probably get banned.
 
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There's no "hard" atheism, atheism is always the weakest option.
Do you know what happened? I'll tell you what happened. You heard the phrase "weak atheism" and it gave you inspiration to do something completely idiotic, and now you are taking it to ridiculous degrees. It's like that Pakistani dude who heard that there are white ppl in Dubai, so everytime an immigrant does something bad, he justifies it with white ppl doing all these bad stuff in Dubai.
 
If agnostics lack proof of God's existence, why aren't they Atheists? I think all of them should be called atheists.

Agnostics can be atheists as well.
Agnosticism is an assertion of knowledge; they have no knowledge one way or another.
Atheism is belief or more accurately a lack of belief in Gods.

So if you don't know whether or not a God exists, that means your belief at that point is a lack of belief in a God, therefore you are an atheist.

Simple.
 
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agnostic does not mean athiest; how many times must I repeat myself.

and tank it doesnt--- I was objecting to the category of weak atheism, when it is clearly not needed.

and I do call myself agnostic then make a statement of probability( with proof) and I am not afraid of that fact; I dont need to make up new words to keep me safely away from things I dont like.
 
agnostic does not mean athiest; how many times must I repeat myself.

and tank it doesnt--- I was objecting to the category of weak atheism, when it is clearly not needed.

and I do call myself agnostic then make a statement of probability( with proof) and I am not afraid of that fact; I dont need to make up new words to keep me safely away from things I dont like.

Oops, I meant agnostics can be atheist as well.
I agree that weak atheism isn't needed.
 
when did it even come about ? anyone have that info?

the term "weak atheism"

I think it comes from one of Lenin's manifestos when he confuses anti-theism and atheism.
I think he called the 2 types implicite and explicit, which obviously breaks down into weak and strong.
But there could be an earlier mentioning that I havn't read.
 

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