[PREVIEW] Bretonnia

[Kolwen]

Men-at-arms

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Knight Errant

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[Ichigorukia]

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Mate the bretonnoian look awesome keep up the great work

 

[Hopit]

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Those bretonnians are going to get so raped...

 

[Steampunker]

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Kewl, can't wait for SftoW.

 

[HannibalExMachina]

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oi, why are zees french wearing skirts?

i kid, great unit!

 

[irneh]

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Very Cool , strange shield ,however good job and can't wait to play them !!!!

 

[irneh]

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a few remarks (nevertheless): -The skirt.
-The shield (strange).
-They have all swords (No spear).
However its a good job.

 

[Kolwen]

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I'm not an expert about bretonnian armies, but here you have some info about men-at-arms from games-workshop.com

Equipment: Hand weapon, shield, lightarmour and pole-arm (counts as a halberd

They can't wield spears. All of them must wield swords or pole arms, but never mixed.
You can send us some stuff to make better shields.

 

[HTD]

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They can't wield spears. All of them must wield swords or pole arms, but never mixed.

They can; it's in the army book, page 69.

 

[cenkiss]

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a few remarks (nevertheless): -The skirt.
-The shield (strange).
-They have all swords (No spear).
However its a good job.

Swords and spears are presented with different units in mtw 2 because they have different roles.

 

[Kolwen]

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They can; it's in the army book, page 69.

What edition mate? Can you send me that page please?

 

[HTD]

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What edition mate? Can you send me that page please?

Sixth edition.
I don't think the forum allows posting such kind of things, but you can readily grab a scan from numerous torrents.

 

[Kolwen]

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I was looking at other edition, thank you.
We will make pole arms and spear versions later anyways.

 

[paradamed]

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Nice preview but they could have a more dark ages medieval look and the shields are a little too fancy for them. Id use simple tower shields or maybe kite shields for some of them. Id remove the chest plates or keep them to a minimum and keep only mail. I would replace the mail skirts for simple cloth skirts. They need more leather, more cloth, more ring mail, padded armour. I would use simple colours in the clothing and use colourful stuff only in the heraldry. And, yes, they actually can have mixture of different weapons. Here are a few concepts I scanned:

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[Ciciro]

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I think that there should be 2 different units of men-at-arms, one that uses swords and another that uses spears/halberds.

 

[irneh]

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Nice preview but they could have a more dark ages medieval look and the shields are a little too fancy for them. Id use simple tower shields or maybe kite shields for some of them. Id remove the chest plates or keep them to a minimum and keep only mail. I would replace the mail skirts for simple cloth skirts. They need more leather, more cloth, more ring mail, padded armour. I would use simple colours in the clothing and use colourful stuff only in the heraldry. And, yes, they actually can have mixture of different weapons. Here are a few concepts I scanned:

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH YOU ARE A HERO

 

[senna505]

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well they look good too me it is a fantasy mod people use your imaginatio

 

[Col. Tartleton]

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Nice preview but they could have a more dark ages medieval look and the shields are a little too fancy for them. Id use simple tower shields or maybe kite shields for some of them. Id remove the chest plates or keep them to a minimum and keep only mail. I would replace the mail skirts for simple cloth skirts. They need more leather, more cloth, more ring mail, padded armour. I would use simple colours in the clothing and use colourful stuff only in the heraldry. And, yes, they actually can have mixture of different weapons. Here are a few concepts I scanned:

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They're not dark ages. They're 14th-15th century. Late medieval. Hundred Years War. They're just armed peasants, so they have crappier armor than they otherwise would. They've got kettle helms, partial plate, pavises, etc.

Mind you, that's only their cultural aesthetic. They have a 17th century navy.

 

[Kolwen]

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In the tabletop game the polearms give them +1 Strenght, while the One handed weapons plus Shield give them +2 Armour Save.
The whole unit must use the same type of weapons even if your miniatures have a mix. You must chose one type.
It's like the skeletons units for the undead. You can equip your miniatures with swords and/or spears, but when you play a battle you must specify what kind of weapon they are wielding.

 

[irneh]

They're not dark ages. They're 14th-15th century. Late medieval. Hundred Years War. They're just armed peasants, so they have crappier armor than they otherwise would. They've got kettle helms, partial plate, pavises, etc.

Mind you, that's only their cultural aesthetic. They have a 17th century navy.

You are all wrong , Bretonnians are 12 or 13th century, by looking helmet and weapon of the knight and looking that they have no gun power, only bows , use your head 2 second.

In the tabletop game the polearms give them +1 Strenght, while the One handed weapons plus Shield give them +2 Armour Save.
The whole unit must use the same type of weapons even if your miniatures have a mix. You must chose one type.
It's like the skeletons units for the undead. You can equip your miniatures with swords and/or spears, but when you play a battle you must specify what kind of weapon they are wielding.

Put them pole arms it is more medieval,becides they are peasants

Or maybe do like "Cuddles the cat" said. he has a good idea.

EDIT Arandir : No triple post please.

 

[Kolwen]

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We will make pole arms and spear versions later anyways.

That's what I said

 

[Ciciro]

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Sorry, didn't exactly read the conversation.

 

[Sephiroth91]

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Well, here I come:

1) Excellent job, they look great.

2) Bretonnian army takes inspiration from the late 13th/early 14th century France, before the Hundred Years war; you can clearly see that from the mixture between heavy mail and half plate armour, the weapons (still no estocs, no polaxes, basic halberds, no flanged maces, etc) and the fact Bretonnia statal structure, burocracy and administration doesn't go beyond half 13th century at best, more or less the reign of Louis IX.

3) That kind of shield does really exist, it's called german shield and was used in the 15th Germany's tournaments, with the hole supporting the lance. Well, besides being out of place here the hole should be on the right side but they're still awesome.

4) You guys have no fault for it, but calling this stinking peasants men-at-arms is utterly, totally and completely wrong : men-at-arms were all those who fought as heavy cavalry, knighted or not, and not this bunch of smelly amateurs waving swords . Or polearms, it's all the same.....

 

[Kolwen]

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They don't look like heavy cavalry in my opinion

 

[Sephiroth91]

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^ That's why I'm saying their name is wrong. Shame on GW....

 

[irneh]

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Well, here I come:

1) Excellent job, they look great.

2) Bretonnian army takes inspiration from the late 13th/early 14th century France, before the Hundred Years war; you can clearly see that from the mixture between heavy mail and half plate armour, the weapons (still no estocs, no polaxes, basic halberds, no flanged maces, etc) and the fact Bretonnia statal structure, burocracy and administration doesn't go beyond half 13th century at best, more or less the reign of Louis IX.

3) That kind of shield does really exist, it's called german shield and was used in the 15th Germany's tournaments, with the hole supporting the lance. Well, besides being out of place here the hole should be on the right side but they're still awesome.

4) You guys have no fault for it, but calling this stinking peasants men-at-arms is utterly, totally and completely wrong : men-at-arms were all those who fought as heavy cavalry, knighted or not, and not this bunch of smelly amateurs waving swords . Or polearms, it's all the same.....

Very early 14th in this case because the legal relationships between lords in general and the central power (the head of state/the king) are to the advantage of the king since philippe auguste (12 and 13th century).
And about the administration (you enter in my realm/administrativ law), the institution of the bretonnian are not enough developed,not as the institutions in france in 13 and 14th,in bretonnia the best institution of administration is the lord and this realm,becides it is not only an administration (he has some prerogatives like a central power),becides he is not only a public person , he is private person too ,it is not a very modern system.
I don't say it is a bad system but it doesn't look like the 13 or 14th century.

 

[paradamed]

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I think it is pointless to argue wether they are inspired form 12th, 13th, 14th century, whatever. Point is they dont look like the minifigures or the concept art in the books. There is plenty of material to visualize them so we dont need rethorical argumentations like in the tolkien forums.

 

[irneh]

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I think it is pointless to argue wether they are inspired form 12th, 13th, 14th century, whatever. Point is they dont look like the minifigures or the concept art in the books. There is plenty of material to visualize them so we dont need rethorical argumentations like in the tolkien forums.

u are right , the most important it to have men at arms who look like bretonnians.

 

[Sephiroth91]

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Very early 14th in this case because the legal relationships between lords in general and the central power (the head of state/the king) are to the advantage of the king since philippe auguste (12 and 13th century).
And about the administration (you enter in my realm/administrativ law), the institution of the bretonnian are not enough developed,not as the institutions in france in 13 and 14th,in bretonnia the best institution of administration is the lord and this realm,becides it is not only an administration (he has some prerogatives like a central power),becides he is not only a public person , he is private person too ,it is not a very modern system.
I don't say it is a bad system but it doesn't look like the 13 or 14th century.

It may well be as you say, my forte are weapons, armours and medieval fencing, not the administrative side.

 

[irneh]

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It may well be as you say, my forte are weapons, armours and medieval fencing, not the administrative side.

That's because i am closed to be a jurist^^.