India and usa

India and usa

Chaigidel

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should the USA become militarily involved in assisting india in the wholesale destruction of these islamic student groups?

or do you think its not part of our war on terra?
 
:wub: that, NO new wars, Screw india and pakistan

Why do we have to police the world, theres been bomb blasts in nigeria, should we help nigeria kill the terrorists ? besides were alright fighting al queda and the taleban inside pakistan without there permission, we technically, but not formally have declared war.
 
should the USA become militarily involved in assisting india in the wholesale destruction of these islamic student groups?

USA should become involved in assisting its long time friend and ally Pakistan to combat terrorism. they should stay the :wub: away from India...

or do you think its not part of our war on terra?

terra = earth. freudean slip :laughter:?
 
As Farnan said, the US should help passively mainly. Exchanging information, sharing knowledge and supporting India's intelligence agency. However, of course the US should not get directly militarily involved in that area. There are already enough problems with the (again) rising tension between India and Pakistan and with the war against the Taliban in some Pakistani regions. No need to fuel and heat up the conflict even more.
 
should the USA become militarily involved in assisting india in the wholesale destruction of these islamic student groups?

or do you think its not part of our war on terra?

The mistake in your post is that the reason for the terrorist attacks in Mumbai was not the existence of an Islamic student group. If anything, "Islamic student groups" in colleges and otherwise are legal and have no terrorist links, etc.

If by "student groups," you mean Medrassahs, that's again an impossibility because Medrassahs have been part of the culture of Indian Muslims for more than a thousand years. Taking action against them will only result in more terrorist attacks. Indeed, more than 95% of them don't have these training camps that many would have you believe.

Lastly, the underlying reason for the Mumbai attacks was primarily the brutal Indian occupation and hold of Kashmir. There's no denying that. Were the terrorist attacks justified? No, they can never be. Did the attacks have a reason? Yes, of course - Kashmir.

So what your posts suggests, in essence, is what an angry mob would want after an attack or disaster - mob/street justice. "Mozlemz attacked our people, now we kill dem Mozlemz yarrrrrr". I'm sorry cracking down on people who are the actual victims of not only terrorists but also those that wish to retaliate for such attacks is counter-productive.
 
The USA should remain indifferent. I don't think its wise agrivating Pakistan by supporting India right after the US has just charged across the Pakistani border.
 
The mistake in your post is that the reason for the terrorist attacks in Mumbai was not the existence of an Islamic student group. If anything, "Islamic student groups" in colleges and otherwise are legal and have no terrorist links, etc.

If by "student groups," you mean Medrassahs, that's again an impossibility because Medrassahs have been part of the culture of Indian Muslims for more than a thousand years. Taking action against them will only result in more terrorist attacks. Indeed, more than 95% of them don't have these training camps that many would have you believe.

Lastly, the underlying reason for the Mumbai attacks was primarily the brutal Indian occupation and hold of Kashmir. There's no denying that. Were the terrorist attacks justified? No, they can never be. Did the attacks have a reason? Yes, of course - Kashmir.


So what your posts suggests, in essence, is what an angry mob would want after an attack or disaster - mob/street justice. "Mozlemz attacked our people, now we kill dem Mozlemz yarrrrrr". I'm sorry cracking down on people who are the actual victims of not only terrorists but also those that wish to retaliate for such attacks is counter-productive.

There's plenty of evidence to suggest against that. Brutal. I would hope for actually some sort of less biased assessment. Indian control of Kashmir is actually far better and has provided a lot more for the people of Kashmir than Pakistani Administered site. A lot more infrastructure has been built in the Indian side, and if it wasn't for the constant threat of insurgency financed by the ISI leaking into Kashmir things would be a lot better there.

I should personally know, having been born there.
 
I would say the US (and all sane, responsible nations) should be looking to pry the nukes out of the hands of these two countries. I can't say the US/Soviets were more sane, just that we've dodged that bullet once, and we rea;y don't want to step in front of the gun and try our luck again.
 
The US intelligence community and the British intelligence community should share info with the Indian intelligence community.

And since the ISI seems like a villain group from a Bond movie, MI6 may have to lend an agent to India...
Jack Bauer would own Bond. Don't hate plz.
 
Bull***, Pra. Even though the Indian part of Kashmir is indeed richer than the Pakistani side. The people of Kashmir do not want to be an integral part of the Indian republic. All else is apologetic nonsense.

The people of Kashmir want to be an independent country-a good part of Indian Administered Kashmir (especially Jammu and Ladakh) still wants to be part of India. That's all it is to it.

I didn't once discount the separatist movement, and your melodramatic swearing does not change that. The only point I was contesting was the 'reign' was not brutal-and that particular vernacular was obviously meant to extrapolate that Pakistani administered Kashmir is somehow better.

Since India's independence (a few days later that Pakistani Independence), the latter has always tried to make a grab for Kashmir. After the first Kashmir War, the LoC was drawn out, and the Pakistani Side has always tried to push for more land. They've attacked in nearly every conflict and have had a record of destabilizing our side for the past 20/30 years. I'm not saying RAW is squeaky clean, but we've not endorsed these separatist movements in Pakistan nearly to the same extent.

Now you may feel that you actually know more about the politics in South Asia, and Kashmir more than I do. Certainly your expletive indicates that, but you fail to bring out that until the late 80s Indian Administered Kashmir was actually quite happy with being part of the Indian Republic. However, after the movement of terror cells into the Pakistani Indian Border, we had a lot more calls for independence and for separatism. Terror attacks increased and more and more radical Islamist Groups were created within the region.

From this inception the Kashmiri tourist economy completely died out. Attacks increased, and Military presence in the area increased. We (our family) had to leave when insurgents started shelling our village in Jammu. Now as a result of the terror splinter cells and RAW activities, we've seen the tit for tat violence and escalation in Kashmir. If it wasn't for the terror groups, it could return to its tourist economy and be prosperous as it was before.

Regardless, I for one would be extremely happy with an Independent Kashmir, if Pakistan would be equally happy in letting their Pakistani side go and form an independent Kashmir.

I would say the US (and all sane, responsible nations) should be looking to pry the nukes out of the hands of these two countries. I can't say the US/Soviets were more sane, just that we've dodged that bullet once, and we rea;y don't want to step in front of the gun and try our luck again.

After the nuclear program started in both countries, the west avoided both nations and treated them as Pariahs. Investments in India came to a halt, and the same happened with Pakistan. However, India maintained its promise to non-proliferation and as a result has been rewarded via the US-India Nuclear Energy Program.

Pakistan however, has helped the proliferation of nuclear materials to rogue elements for quite a while. http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC05.php?CID=1704

India is responsible with its nuclear weapons, is a nascent world power, has shown its nuclear responsibility, and is the world's largest democracy. We do not need to be babied by the west.
 
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Jack Bauer would own Bond. Don't hate plz.

James bond was a real :wub:, Jack Bauer is a trick.

:afro:

pra said:

Real stuff, we need waaay less nukes, period. Pakistan won't give up theirs with India keeping theirs, and neither one should really have them, so quit cheerleading for your team.
 
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Regardless, I for one would be extremely happy with an Independent Kashmir, if Pakistan would be equally happy in letting their Pakistani side go and form an independent Kashmir.

In the end you did agree with me. Kashmir does not want to be part of India - or Pakistan, for that matter.

It doesn't matter if once, before terrorism erupted and all, the prospect of continuing to be part of India was agreeable to the region's population. As of 2008, they do not want to be part of India.

PS: I'm really sorry for your family. =/
 
And what non-biased population based survey brought you to this conclusion? Or are you simply pulling this out of your ass?

Once the Kashmiri separatists began ethnically cleansing their own country (see: Pra's family's story, which was repeated hundreds of thousands of times over for Kashmiri Hindu families) and using terrorist tactics to achieve their goals, they forfeited any moral high-ground or right to dictate anything.
 
I doubt the U.S. will become fully involved in helping India. We are already involved in 2 warswars and Obama wants to invade western Pakistan so the U.S. would be way too overextended to help India. Instead Israel will probably help India since Israel is probably India's only ally in Asia and has plenty of experience fighting terrorism.

Also, Britain will definitely become involved in helping India. Britain's quick success in securing Southern Iraq proves that the British military is very capable. I wouldn't be suprised if Britian offers to send 500-2,000 advisors or peacekeepers to help India train to fight terrorists. The British military now has plenty of experience in Iraq so it should be very successful at helping Indians.
 
And what non-biased population based survey brought you to this conclusion? Or are you simply pulling this out of your ass?

According to your (unbelievably phony) argument, we can't state that Palestinians are against the current state of things in the West Bank since there's no reliable polling data.

There were no reliable polling data in the 1920s about the Irish people's aspirations of achieving independence from the UK. So that means they were all cosy and friendly with the British, right? Oh, wait! They were not! :doh:
 
Once the Kashmiri separatists began ethnically cleansing their own country (see: Pra's family's story, which was repeated hundreds of thousands of times over for Kashmiri Hindu families) and using terrorist tactics to achieve their goals, they forfeited any moral high-ground or right to dictate anything.

wasnt that after the Indians rigged the 1987 regional elections? Does India still disallow journalists free movement in Kashmir? I read this in an article today. Have no idea if its true.
 
Bull***, Pra. Even though the Indian part of Kashmir is indeed richer than the Pakistani side. The people of Kashmir do not want to be an integral part of the Indian republic. All else is apologetic nonsense.

And what evidence is there of such attitudes towards the Indian republic in Kashmir ?!

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