Ottoman and Spain Poll

[ottomanfan]

I was wondering how many people are annoyed at the fact that CA have not made Spain and the Ottomans playable and whether you think should have. For me, personally it has already spoilt what would have been a very enjoyable aspect of the game - playing as the Ottomans or Spain in one of the Single player campaigns.

 

[Pro-opera Jungian]

By your user name I can already guess your vote .

 

[Kinjo]

Yes

 

[Graphic]

Yes but it's inconsequential. Mods to the rescue.

 

[♔Mr.♔L.E.E.♔]

I do not care for either of those factions, although I think they should be playable for those that do!

 

[SunofVich]

Yes I am.

Hopefully a mod comes out that makes them playable.

 

[ottomanfan]

By your user name I can already guess your vote .

lol yeh although im not Turkish but i just find them to be a really unique and enjoyable faction to play as. One of the other factions i would play in NTW is Spain because of the challenge and the nice uniforms

 

[Maleficus]

I was wondering how many people are annoyed at the fact that CA have not made Spain and the Ottomans playable and whether you think should have.

Yeah, the Ottomans should've been playable, but if my memory (of Sharpe and Hornblower) serves me right, wasn't Spain France's female dog* at the time anyway?




*How much does a site have to suck to censor perfectly legitimate words like anyway? Hmmm.... let's see if it allows it in a more acceptable context:

A female dog is called a .

No, it doesn't. Stupid censorship thing.

 

[Emperador Carlos]

How dare you insult the Honor of Spain!!!!!!

 

[Kinjo]

More choices are always better when it comes to playable factions.

 

[Maleficus]

How dare you insult the Honor of Spain!!!!!!

Silly me. Napoleon's brother was king of Spain because he was the legitimate heir to his predecessor

 

[Their Law]

Spain yes, Ottomans don't really care.

 

[Marcion]

While the Spanish are probably the single biggest reason for the downfall of Napolean, it wasn't through big setpiece fights that one typically thinks of as being the way of the time. But there's no reason to leave them out. Ottoman Egypt should and I'm sure will be, since Napoleon invaded Egypt, and there's even been shots from the Egyptian campaign released.

 

[REQUIEM]

Most Definately, i think it is an insult to both countrys for CA to leave them out.

 

[Sir Winston Churchill]

I'm always annoyed when someone leaves a faction unplayable. I honestly see no reason it should be like that, a simple 0 to a 1 and someone opened a new faction. It's not that hard, why not? You can only gain with my factions.

So yes, I'm annoyed by the fact CA decided to not enable some factions.

 

[Battlerager]

While I'm not upset they aren't playable...I am discouraged. It reeks of laziness to leave out two continental powers that were very important in this time period.

 

[Boyar'sNephew]

Don't really care. I mean, technically, why not? It is about alternative history and Spain and the Ottomans could, I suppose, have become significant players and not the Sick Men of Europe that they were, but technically, both weren't significant players (other than to be the playpens and battlefields for France and the UK, of course), capable of taking decisive action, especially considering the tight timeline of N:TW. Are they on the map? Better than Switzerland in E:TW!

Caveat:
*I know Napoleon only conquered Span through stealth and a sneaky coup, the Spanish fielded an army of a bazillion against the French and Wellington did absolutely nothing in the Peninsular War, and Spain had the largest empire blahblahblah... Spain was not considered a leading state in Europe even past the mid-18th century and had been in a significant downward spiral since before the War of the Spanish Succession.

 

[Capt. Fozdike]

Yes, I care. But I'm sure a mod will be released for that

 

[bigfootedfred]

Yes I am.

Hopefully a mod comes out that makes them playable.

of course one will.

has for every TW game.

 

[Nizam]

ofc YESSSSS

 

[Stellerex]

Already made a nice thread addressing these two countries before the nationalists pooped all over it and the mods closed it...

I feel alot of players here are not being honest about what they really want when it comes to playable factions.

'B,but why not make them ALL playable?'

Because it's not enough to make them playable. You want them to have a full array of units, diversity in type for tactical depth, as well as faction-specific units to distinguish the playable factions from each other. On top of that, you probably want strong starting provinces, infrastructure, and other assets, and maybe even some historical characters. I know I'm not speaking for myself when I say one of the most disappointing parts of ETW was their treatment of factions like Sweden and PLC, who got almost no special units while the US got a whole DLC for themselves. Balance is more important than ever now that CA added a multiplayer campaign.

The problem with all that, it won't be historically accurate. Plenty have already talked about how Spain and the Ottoman Empire were at the nadir of military quality. The Janissaries deposed their sultan when he tried to modernize their military to make them competitive with the Europeans. For Spain, the much vaunted colonial empire will be excluded from the game, for the Ottomans, their entire Middle East.


TL;DR Balance or historical accuracy? You can't have both when it comes to Spain or the Ottoman Empire.

 

[Grenadier guard]

I was wondering how many people are annoyed at the fact that CA have not made Spain and the Ottomans playable and whether you think should have. For me, personally it has already spoilt what would have been a very enjoyable aspect of the game - playing as the Ottomans or Spain in one of the Single player campaigns.

Husserl or some one like him will make a starpos mod and some other talented modders will add some faction specific units, buildings and retextures (if needed) for Spain and Ottomans and maybe the rest of the factions too. If they won't lie to us again, there will be a uniform editor in the game, so if it is made so simple then almost every one could edit the uniforms.

 

[Graphic]

I know I'm not speaking for myself when I say one of the most disappointing parts of ETW was their treatment of factions like Sweden and PLC, who got almost no special units while the US got a whole DLC for themselves. Balance is more important than ever now that CA added a multiplayer campaign.

To be fair the U.S. and Britain shared that DLC equally. If they released it I'd definitely pay for a DLC pack that was nothing but Swedish and Polish units.

 

[darkly]

What about, instead of just voting for Spain and the Ottomans, what about do a vote about the other factions that are not there to, like Portugal, Denmark, Sweden and the Dutch?

Why does not CA put all factions playable instead? IT´S REALLY UNFAIR!

 

[Matamoros]

Yeah, the Ottomans should've been playable, but if my memory (of Sharpe and Hornblower) serves me right, wasn't Spain France's female dog* at the time anyway?




*How much does a site have to suck to censor perfectly legitimate words like anyway? Hmmm.... let's see if it allows it in a more acceptable context:

A female dog is called a .

No, it doesn't. Stupid censorship thing.

Be careful with what you say. As a spaniard I might feel insulted.
It was an invasion by stealth, a sneaky coup of Napoleon, as someone here said, and along with the incompetence of spanish leaders it led to disaster. But the people of Spain never surrendered and fought to death against the invaders. The prime minister Godoy, the king... they were the cowards, not the country.

And of course my vote goes to making Spain and the ottomans playable. Portugal should too.
What would be a military story of ancient Rome without the gauls for example?

 

[Grenadier guard]

To be fair the U.S. and Britain shared that DLC equally. If they released it I'd definitely pay for a DLC pack that was nothing but Swedish and Polish units.

Well, France also got one unit: Royal Deux Pont Regiment... but just one but it is good and cheap compared to it's skills. And the rest of the DLC units in multiplayer are almost too good compared to it's price. It makes the regular Guard unit look like over priced... It is a kind of unfair. But luckily i got them all, but i think i won't go back when Napoleon is released.

What about, instead of just voting for Spain and the Ottomans, what about do a vote about the other factions that are not there to, like Portugal, Denmark, Sweden and the Dutch?

Why does not CA put all factions playable instead? IT´S REALLY UNFAIR!

Agreed, dude. The modders don't spend so much time to add a few faction spesific units to Denmark or Greece as example... And CA guys has more resources and they still don't do it. They are just very lazy. As example Empire: Total War should have been released as it is now with 1.5 patch. Napoleon total war will be just "Empire: Total War 2.0".

And of course my vote goes to making Spain and the ottomans playable. Portugal should too.
What would be a military story of ancient Rome without the gauls for example?

Agree

 

[Nicolaos]

hey who would vote against 2 additional factions to choose from in GC????!!!!

 

[Grenadier guard]

hey who would vote against 2 additional factions to choose from in GC????!!!!

A Retard

 

[Neoton]

Spain wastn't a major power in these times but the ottomans maybe however if they make a DLC wich unlocks them i will buy it

 

[LordKainES]

Spain wastn't a major power in these times but the ottomans maybe however if they make a DLC wich unlocks them i will buy it

LOL until Trafalgar defeat, Spain had the 3rd world´s biggest fleet and had one of the main armies of Europe.

And until american wars of independence (2nd decade of XIX century), Spain still held a vast and rich empire.

So in 1805 Spain was a major nation man without doubts...