Kypchak Khans Cavalry

[raducul32167]

I don't know if it's a bad installation or what, but I can't seem to get access to Kypchak Khans Cavalry in any region, core or not core (playing as Kypchaks). I'm not talking about Khans Lancers, they are available it's the guys with the bows that are unavailable.

Can anyone help me, what should I do?

 

[George S. Patton]

Perhaps these are only the generals' guards like the sultan's guard or so?

 

[raducul32167]

No, they give you a unit of them in your starting army.

Could someone please start a game as Kypachaks and check the building browser please, so I know if it's just me.

 

[wudang_clown]

I've checked it, there is no additional Kypchak Khan's Cavalry, it's Kypchak Noble Cavalry, and it's available in higher tier stables in Sarkel, f.e., maybe somewhere else, I haven't checked precisely; in Sarkel you'll get them for sure. If it comes to Khan's Guard, it is, of course, general's unit.

 

[raducul32167]

Thank you, then it's not just me.

I guess it's either a bug or the devs removed them.

Anyway thanks very much Wudang.

 

[wudang_clown]

No problem. But tell me, please, where did you see this "Kypchak Khan's Cavalry"?

 

[raducul32167]

On the custom battle screen, and you get a unit of them in your starting army so I know they are supposed to be there.

 

[wudang_clown]

On the custom battle screen, and you get a unit of them in your starting army so I know they are supposed to be there.

Yes, sorry, it should be obvious for me, I'll investigate EDB, and I will write for a while, if I find them there.

EDIT: congratulations, raducul, sir, you have found a bug. Indeed, there is Kypchak Khan's Cavalry in the custom battle pool, and there is such an unit in the EDU, but there is no Kypchak Khan's Cavalry (aka kypchak elite horse archer) in the EDB. That's why you (or any Kypchak player) can't recruit this unit.

 

[raducul32167]

I found a bug HURRAY

Thanks again Wudang

 

[Spider1110]

that doesn't mean it's a bug. there are other units in the custom battle pool which aren't available in the grand campaign. dismounted knights of outremer for example. they are often just leftovers from previous versions.

 

[wudang_clown]

This unit is listed in Kypchak Cavalry section of EDU, that's why I think that it should be in game, and because it seems that it isn't in game, I think it's a bug. Besides, as Raducul mentioned, he gets the unit on the start but haven't got any possibility of filling in the losses. The same situation is with Khalaj Turkish HA of Khwarezm - you get four (I don't remember exactly) of them, but can't fill in the losses. It's rather annoying, and I don't know if it's historically accurate, to deprive Khwarezm of any Turkish units.

 

[Spider1110]

it may be a bug but iirc strelac explictly said the custom battle roosters are not representative for the grand campaign. if you think it's a bug you should post it here.

 

[wudang_clown]

As you can see, it is expicitly said that the unit under question is available at the start of campaign, so it is related somehow to custom battle unit pool. Also, as it was explicitly said in other thread, the issue isn't limited to Kypchak unit pool. And, I'm perfectly aware, where every bug report should go, but thank you for reminding me that. I can only say here, that as you can see the issue haven't appeared as a bug, but it have been recognized as such after a while of investigation.

 

[Spider1110]

don't get me wrong. i'm NOT saying that this can't be a bug. i'm merely pointing out that i believe that your reasons MAY not hold true. if those are bugs and they get fixed i'm as happy as anyone playing this mod

i can't comment much of the kypchaks as i haven't played them or any faction near them since 2.0. but the kwarezmians could use those horsearchers in their pool. and a couple of low lvl units as well.

 

[Bugout]

I think it is most likely just a result of changing the rosters of the factions for 2.0, but the mod team did not update the units that the factions spawn at the beginning of the campaign from the descr_strat file.

 

[wudang_clown]

don't get me wrong. i'm NOT saying that this can't be a bug. i'm merely pointing out that i believe that your reasons MAY not hold true. if those are bugs and they get fixed i'm as happy as anyone playing this mod

i can't comment much of the kypchaks as i haven't played them or any faction near them since 2.0. but the kwarezmians could use those horsearchers in their pool. and a couple of low lvl units as well.

I'm not saying that I'm definitely right. But the issue is, Khalaj Turkish HA aren't available in 2.02 and I know it, because I'm playing as Khwarezm right now. If they were available in 2.0 that seems to support my hypothesis, which is also based on lack of any information from the devs about changing unit pool by removing some units. Of course, I may be wrong. I hope the devs will take a stance on this.

 

[Strelac]

Not a bug.

Custom battles and EDB are not necessary suppose to be the same. EDB holds selection of units for campaign.
I still left all units in the custom battles for pure battling enjoyment.