Clearing Up Misconceptions about IRAN

[Abdülmecid I]

I can't decide between Shiraz, Qazvin or Isfahan.... hmmmm Masshad is cool too.

Isfahan, by far. Together with Istanbul and Samarkand, they are the most magnificent cities of the Islamic world.

Spoiler

https://www.google.gr/search?q=اصفه...qdDNAhWsDMAKHXA1DKMQ_AUICCgB&biw=1366&bih=657

You get arrested if you're too obviously happy or gay.

Well, Tehran Mary, who looked rather happy and slightly too manly for her female nature, with that threatening weapon, was not arrested. On the contrary, I doubt that her freedom would be guaranteed under the imperial regime.

Spoiler

Point being that the oppression in Iran is essentially dictated by what the Iranian government perceives as a threat to the establishment and the official interpretation of morality, social ethics, foreign and internal affairs (aka the state propaganda concerning pretty much every aspect of the Iranians' life). Reaction to "obscenity" and the officially endorsed puritanism is just the pretext, exactly like the protection of the Shiites in the Middle East is basically the equivalent of the Western claims about propagation and installation of democracy in the same region.

 

[zarmehr]

You get arrested if you're too obviously happy or gay.

This video is full of foolish acts and sassy.Definition of happines from your prepective is a little bit different.isnt it dude?

 

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Samarkand looks nice.
Istanbul is a bit too "modern" for my taste. I prefer the Persian style architecture of the other cities.

 

[Roboute Guilliman]

Iran is not like that.women are sacred in our culture.Here Prostitution is an unacceptable act and its not bcause of law of islam or government,but its forbidden in our culture,anyway still very small number of people(who are under influence of your culture)do such of things,in secret.and you must forget about the wine really,because its also made by minority west follower.

It is actually very persian to drink wine. Not very islamic republic of iranish or whatver you call yourself. Especially since one of the greatest poets of Persia (Hafez), constantly wrote about wine and love (probably what he meant by easy woman).
Shiraz wine is now produced in australia, where not long ago it had been produced for centuries and even more in Iran. Don't think you would dare to think about Hafez as good poet. Would probably bring your world crushing down.

How has it come so far? One of the leading people in culture and science, have to deal with government of clowns not wearing any underwear.

This thread shows a sad picture of Iran.

 

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Hafez, Rumi and Saadi... weren't they all considered heretics?

 

[Roboute Guilliman]

Hafez, Rumi and Saadi... weren't they all considered heretics?

By whom khomeini? Yes definately.

 

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

I mean at the time that they were alive.

 

[bigdaddy1204]

What exactly are you basing this on? Mohammad himself led armies that conquered and forcibly converted lands

No, he didn't.

This is a common misconception. For a start, there is no forcible conversion in Islam. The Shahada (words you say to convert) do not hold any value and are invalidated unless the person saying them genuinely believes it. Secondly, Muhammad died in 632AD, before the Muslims expanded out of Arabia.

Nobody is denying that the dramatic conquests of the Rashidun and Ummayad caliphs happened. Lands were indeed conquered in the period after 632. However, strictly speaking that is irrelevant, since the religion is defined by what is in the Quran and the hadith, not the political events that took place after Muhammad died. Whether the conquests themselves can be justified religiously is questionable; however by that point we are talking more about political history than religion (although sometimes it can be difficult to separate the two).

I am certain that the Iranian people appreciates immensely your generosity, for giving them some time to readjust their internal affairs to your preference, before Its Majesty, the American government, loses its patience and decides to teach these brown natives the advantages of democracy, by force. Statements like those make me wonder how can it be possible for the "warmongering Republicans" to be even more hawkish...

This post is brilliant. Well said, Abdulmecid I! I admire the way you handle such outrageous hypocrisy from other posters.

 

[The Despondent Mind]

the world progresses with Saudi Arabia, just look at that international trade traffic happening all around Saudi waters and between the Mediterranean and Indian oceans

remember, we don't keep a carrier group in the straits of Hormuz because of Saudi Arabia, it's because of Iran

sure, Iran can keep rolling out its more liberal younger demographics (who have no real power) into the spotlight, to save face for everything else that's wrong with it, but at some point you have to look past the cosmetic excuses

and for the millionth time, there might be individuals and charities in Saudi Arabia that are funding Sunni terror groups, but Iran is sponsoring terror groups of ANY sect, at the STATE LEVEL, which is waaaaaay worse

Saudi Arabia is on the level of a fictional evil empire, something that is so comically evil that you think it shouldn't exist in a real world, and I have yet to be convinced Iran is sponsoring all the sects on a state level. So far history has shown us that every country sponsors some shady s, but all the shady s? Nah...

While S.A. may not support so many f-up terrorist groups, they are harboring their supporters and are doing their shady work in lots of other subtle ways.

 

[pacifism]

No, he didn't.

This is a common misconception. For a start, there is no forcible conversion in Islam. The Shahada (words you say to convert) do not hold any value and are invalidated unless the person saying them genuinely believes it. Secondly, Muhammad died in 632AD, before the Muslims expanded out of Arabia.

Nobody is denying that the dramatic conquests of the Rashidun and Ummayad caliphs happened. Lands were indeed conquered in the period after 632. However, strictly speaking that is irrelevant, since the religion is defined by what is in the Quran and the hadith, not the political events that took place after Muhammad died. Whether the conquests themselves can be justified religiously is questionable; however by that point we are talking more about political history than religion (although sometimes it can be difficult to separate the two).

Didn't Muhammad command his followers against the Quraysh, Bedouins, and some other tribes in the Arabian peninsula? I think that's what he meant.

 

[empr guy]

Yes, I was also under the impression that pagans were not treated very well, and that Mohammad was not very fond of Jews when he realized they weren't going to convert but allowed most of them to live as Jews.

 

[Heidar]

Didn't Muhammad command his followers against the Quraysh, Bedouins, and some other tribes in the Arabian peninsula? I think that's what he meant.

if you just read the first two pages you will find your answer.

 

[snuggans]

Saudi Arabia is on the level of a fictional evil empire, something that is so comically evil that you think it shouldn't exist in a real world, and I have yet to be convinced Iran is sponsoring all the sects on a state level. So far history has shown us that every country sponsors some shady s, but all the shady s? Nah...

While S.A. may not support so many f-up terrorist groups, they are harboring their supporters and are doing their shady work in lots of other subtle ways.

there's nothing more i can do for you then, you can continue to discard actual information and go on with your preconceived comic-book angle

also, one more thing i forgot, people keep bringing up the young liberal demographics of Iran as if it was some trump card, as if Saudi Arabia doesn't have one too, which by the way has more freedom than the Iranian counterpart because young liberal Saudis go on exchange to western countries all the time and become even more liberal, whereas most Iranians who are abroad are there because they fled

now with Obama's nuclear deal, academic exchange between the west and Iran should increase and young Iranians can see the world for what it can be, for the very first time. thanks Obama!

 

[empr guy]

if you just read the first two pages you will find your answer.

Some people don't find "He had to!" to be convincing.

 

[zarmehr]

It is actually very persian to drink wine. Not very islamic republic of iranish or whatver you call yourself. Especially since one of the greatest poets of Persia (Hafez), constantly wrote about wine and love (probably what he meant by easy woman).
Shiraz wine is now produced in australia, where not long ago it had been produced for centuries and even more in Iran. Don't think you would dare to think about Hafez as good poet. Would probably bring your world crushing down.

How has it come so far? One of the leading people in culture and science, have to deal with government of clowns not wearing any underwear.

This thread shows a sad picture of Iran.

The majority of the Iranian people after accepting Islam didnt keep doing forbidden things like drinking wine and adultery and lechery and other things that are valuable in the Westernized world.Moreover,the government doesnt have any work with what people are doing in their privacy.(people are free to do what the ... they want in their home and in their privacy,but they're just banned to drink wine or adultery and some few works else in socity).Also what you wrote about the greatest Persian poets is make me laugh and it shows that you know a little about them or maybe your impression of (wine and love) in Iranian poetry is apparent meaning.We read and study poems of our poets and their biography(In all branches of education)and we know them better than any western guy who thinks he (or maybe she) knows so much.In addition,you dont have to measure picture of iran by what you think that it should be.Also it apeared to me that you are too brainwashed and its useless to argue with you about misconceptions of Iran.

By whom khomeini? Yes definately.

Even if Mr. khomeini and Mr.khamenei come to some of you people and say that i am not that person you think i am you will not accept it.anyway,at least try to talk with someone from your country who has visited Iran.And everyone better know that Rumi and Saadi were sunni muslims.

 

[Condottiere 40K]

I've never studied any Persian poetry, though what did stick with me from summaries are odes to alcohol, and how my love's buttocks are like full moons.

 

[Heidar]

You have just heard about slang poems.most of the Persian poems are about God , theology and love.and of course there are some facetiae, they are very funny and intersting specially Saadi's and Molavi's.

 

[zarmehr]

I've never studied any Persian poetry, though what did stick with me from summaries are odes to alcohol, and how my love's buttocks are like full moons.

If you read one of Mulavi(Rumi)'s poem about how a bondwoman killed by a donky's dick you will die because of so much laughing.but you will also find Rumi's mystical themes in that poem.

 

[Abdülmecid I]

also, one more thing i forgot, people keep bringing up the young liberal demographics of Iran as if it was some trump card, as if Saudi Arabia doesn't have one too, which by the way has more freedom than the Iranian counterpart because young liberal Saudis go on exchange to western countries all the time and become even more liberal, whereas most Iranians who are abroad are there because they fled

In reality, however, Iran has also discovered the revolutionary practice of sending her students abroad, preferably in the US (almost 10 thousands). Of course, we can pretend that student exchange programs are a clever stratagem, which helps the poor Iranians to run away from the claws of the Revolutionary Guard, but unless these claims are supported by evidence, they will sound more like xenophobic paranoia than sensible arguments.

Spoiler

http://www.uis.unesco.org/Education/Pages/international-student-flow-viz.aspx

Meanwhile, in Saudi Arabia, children, many of whom have very ambitious expectations instead of professional qualifications, due to the fact that school books are mainly busy teaching hatred against infidels, are religiously indoctrinated and essentially forced to endorse the official religious propaganda (because a state which sells condoms near the Kaaba can not be very sincere about its piety), therefore getting discourage to overthrow the prevailing royal establishment. Even if they did, though, thanks to the education system, the religious bigotry of the Saudis' successors is guaranteed, which is why the kingdom is really, really doomed.

Spoiler

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/nov/26/saudi-arabia-religious-education

I admit, however, that the dynasty is sometimes willing to provide for women...

Spoiler

 

[Condottiere 40K]

Iranian stealth tank

 

[zarmehr]

Lol,but Maybe its better not to call it a tank.Its more like a light strategic vehicle usefull for some operations on the battlefield.As we know tanks usually have more armor and they are obviousley slower.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0-HE5wRz84 From california

Castle Rudkhan,Fooman,Gilan

Azadi tower,Tehran

A beautiful view of the architecture of mosques in Iran

 

[Heidar]

Some videos from Iranian music and history:
http://www.aparat.com/v/F0LIe
Iranian kingdoms since 3200BCE(song's name is"O fatherland,you are still glorious")

http://www.aparat.com/v/HDtsx
Iranian traditional music(song's name is "The soil of the fatherland")

http://www.aparat.com/v/4o7nj
song's name is "Na,Naro(No,Don't go)"

I always wanted to listen to a romantic Japanese,German and Chinese music because these languages sound a little rough to me.If any one is from these countries please send one.I did not find something worthy on internet.

 

[Infidel144]

OK!I'll prove it to you.
1. Our Prophet was illiterate before he was chosen by God.So he could not write such a perfect book like Quran.

How do you know Muhammad was illiterate?

 

[zarmehr]

How do you know Muhammad was illiterate?

Why do you ask such a question?Dont you read history books?Do you wanna say you read somewhere that our prophet wasnt illiterate before the revelation?Wow such posts i see in this thread.Goshhhh

 

[Infidel144]

Not an answer. My question stands.

 

[Heidar]

Hello dear friend
Fardin won't be available for about 2 weeks.If it's not a problem to you I'll try to answer to your question.
At the first place I want to prove that Quran is only from the God and No human is able to write such a book.
أَفَلَا يَتَدَبَّرُونَ الْقُرْآنَ وَلَوْ كَانَ مِنْ عِنْدِ غَيْرِ اللَّهِ لَوَجَدُوا فِيهِ اخْتِلَافًا كَثِيرًا (نساء 86)
translation:Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity.

«أَمْ يَقُولُونَ افْتَرَاهُ قُلْ فَأْتُواْ بِعَشْرِ سُوَرٍ مِّثْلِهِ مُفْتَرَيَاتٍ وَادْعُواْ مَنِ اسْتَطَعْتُم مِّن دُونِ اللّهِ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ» (هود، 13)
translation:Or they may say, "He forged it," Say, "Bring ye then ten suras forged, like unto it, and call (to your aid) whomsoever ye can, other than Allah!- If ye speak the truth!

«*أَمْ يَقُولُونَ افْتَرَاهُ قُلْ فَأْتُواْ بِسُورَةٍ مِّثْلِهِ وَادْعُواْ مَنِ اسْتَطَعْتُم مِّن دُونِ اللّهِ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ*» (یونس، 38)
translation:Or do they say, "He forged it"? say: "Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!"
Bring the things that the God said if you can!
And now I'll put some miracles of Quran:
أَلَمْ نَجْعَلِ الْأَرْضَ كِفَاتًا ﴿۲۵﴾
translation:We made the earth with the gravitation(mentioning to the gravity of earth 1100 years before the Newton)

وَهُوَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ اللَّيْلَ وَالنَّهَارَ وَالشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ كُلٌّ فِي فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ ﴿۳۳﴾
translation:And He is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit.(mentioning to the orbits of planets and moving of the stars)

خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا وَأَلْقَى فِي الْأَرْضِ رَوَاسِيَ أَنْ تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ وَبَثَّ فِيهَا مِنْ كُلِّ دَابَّةٍ وَأَنْزَلْنَا مِنَ السَّمَاءِ مَاءً فَأَنْبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِنْ كُلِّ زَوْجٍ كَرِيمٍ ﴿۱۰﴾
translation:He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and He scattered through it beasts of all kinds. We send down rain from the sky, and produce on the earth every kind of noble creature, in pairs.(mentioning to the both sex(male and female) of the plants 1200 years before Carl Nilsson)

فَمَنْ يُرِدِ اللَّهُ أَنْ يَهْدِيَهُ يَشْرَحْ صَدْرَهُ لِلْإِسْلَامِ وَمَنْ يُرِدْ أَنْ يُضِلَّهُ يَجْعَلْ صَدْرَهُ ضَيِّقًا حَرَجًا كَأَنَّمَا يَصَّعَّدُ فِي السَّمَاءِ كَذَلِكَ يَجْعَلُ اللَّهُ الرِّجْسَ عَلَى الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ ﴿۱۲۵﴾
translation:Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe.(mentioning to the lack of oxygen in the sky near space)

Do you accept this book is only from the God or I should bring you more?
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِالذِّكْرِ لَمَّا جَاءَهُمْ وَإِنَّهُ لَكِتَابٌ عَزِيزٌ ﴿۴۱﴾
translation:Those who reject the Message when it comes to them (are not hidden from Us). And indeed it is a Book of exalted power. (۴۱)

لَا يَأْتِيهِ الْبَاطِلُ مِنْ بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَلَا مِنْ خَلْفِهِ تَنْزِيلٌ مِنْ حَكِيمٍ حَمِيدٍ ﴿۴۲﴾
translation:No falsehood can approach it from before or behind it: It is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all Praise.

هُوَ الَّذِي أَنْزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ مِنْهُ آيَاتٌ مُحْكَمَاتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَابِهَاتٌ فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَابَهَ مِنْهُ ابْتِغَاءَ الْفِتْنَةِ وَابْتِغَاءَ تَأْوِيلِهِ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُ إِلَّا اللَّهُ وَالرَّاسِخُونَ فِي الْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ آمَنَّا بِهِ كُلٌّ مِنْ عِنْدِ رَبِّنَا وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّا أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ ﴿۷﴾
translation:He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

وَهَذَا صِرَاطُ رَبِّكَ مُسْتَقِيمًا قَدْ فَصَّلْنَا الْآيَاتِ لِقَوْمٍ يَذَّكَّرُونَ ﴿۱۲۶﴾
translation:This is the way of thy Lord, leading straight: We have detailed the signs for those who receive admonition.
May the Allah Guide you!

 

[Yayattasa]

Recently met three Iranians that came to do their doctorate in physics on my country. Really nice and intelligent people.

 

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

If I travel to Iran is there any chance that I might get arrested? I heard that a man got arrested for having sex with a local girl, I'm not making promises but I'm pretty sure that I will not break any real laws.
Though it would be cool to visit some of these cities. Also some of the forests and deserts look cool.

 

[Heidar]

If I travel to Iran is there any chance that I might get arrested? I heard that I man got arrested for having sex with a local girl, I'm not making promises but I'm pretty sure that I will not break any real laws.
Though it would be cool to visit some of these cities. Also some of the forests and deserts look cool.

Are you kidding me?get arrested?
Just respect the laws like every other country you visit then you'll find nothing but friendliness and hospitable people even the policemen will greet you.
If you really want to visit Iran I'll gladly send you the experience of the other tourists who have visited Iran:
http://www.goatsontheroad.com/iranian-really-nice-people-say/
http://www.travelgeekery.com/iran-and-iranians/#axzz4DPeGTKA2
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...NRXqSOyCPxqgUWI6g&sig2=rZwBH6FxfNpRzXze42hY9A
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2012/09/...dest-people-in-the-world-to-foreign-tourists/
here is travel tips:
http://www.destinationiran.com/travel-tips
http://www.heartmybackpack.com/blog/travel-tips-iran/
http://thecitylane.com/10-tips-you-should-know-before-visiting-iran/
http://www.roughguides.com/article/travel-to-iran/

And remember this from me :learn how to taarof!just google it.
watch the videos that Fardin has sent in the first post that was made by tourists
here is the laws you must not break:forget about sex with locals and wine and alcohol but the second one is not that decisive just do the second one in private(if you even could find wine)and the most important thing is do not take photos of military and nuclear bases even if you do and they find out they'll just delete the photos and nothing more.

 

[Condottiere 40K]

If you plan on screwing the local Muslims, the primary reasons for getting caught is if the counter intelligence agency is tailing you, and they think it's worthwhile either blackmailing you or your country, or her relatives feel their family honour has been impugned when they find out.