Worst Presidential Blunders

Worst Presidential Blunders

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/18/president.mistakes.ap/index.html

Interesting list. Gotta say, I agree with their first choice, but the rest of them I have some quarrel with.

For instance, Watergate at No. 5? No way, should be higher. And I don't really see how a) Madison could have kept us out of War of 1812, and b) why it would have been beneficial to stay out at all.
 
And I don't really see how a) Madison could have kept us out of War of 1812, and b) why it would have been beneficial to stay out at all.

I would actually rate it higher. Madison (and Jefferson) had explicitly turned their backs on to building an effective navy and army when they killed the Federalist plans for building up/expanding the navy (and establishing a reserve of navel equipment) and expanding the federal regular army. Madison started a war that required tools his own polices had removed, that is to my mind a rather big blunder.

I would drop Woodrow Wilson Versailles diplomacy off the list. The Europeans wanted a harsh peace for Germany, and even if the US had joined the League of Nations I don’t see the League providing any kind of creditable deterrence to the rise of the Axis States or Stalin’s Russia…
 
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Surprised that Hoover's inaction throughout the Great Depression isn't even mentioned.
 
Same way of crediting Ronald Reagan for releasing the Iranian hostages, even though he had nothing to do with it except being the guy who won over Carter. :ermm:

I can't really say I agree with all of it. The bay of pigs was a big blunder, but I would have imagined the Soviets would have planned to place missles there regardless of what had happened prior.

I'm glad there wasnt any politics played and they had the fellow who 'let' the civil war happen take the number one spot.
 
i dont know if wodrow wilson would have had the power to modify the treaty of versaille. that treaty was a major reason for ww2 but if he would not have had any power to modify the treaty than his fault was as small as his power in europe i guess. i never knew that US sold weapons to iran too, i allways thought only to iraq.

and the kennedy thing as far as i understand the cuba crisis was he, among others, one of the guys who were most responsible for avoiding a nuclear war
 
John's adams, alien and sedition acts.. which made freedom of speech a crime.
 
I dont agree with the Woodrow Wilson part. I think the Senate's mistake should replace it. Wilson truly wanted to be part of the League of Nations, and the Senate and American peoples tried to stay isolationist.
 
Well the worst has to be madison starting the war of 1812. It came to be known as Madisons war and almost lead to the secession of the New England States and the destruction of the USA.

Bush's invasion of Iraq has to be up there on the list too. That hasnt worked out very well for him.

The worst vice-presidential blunder though has to be hand downs dick cheney shooting a 78 year old man in the face. :laughing:

Sorry had to say it. :)
 
QuackyNC said:
The worst vice-presidential blunder though has to be hand downs dick cheney shooting a 78 year old man in the face. :laughing:

Sorry had to say it. :)
I swear if I hear one more Cheney joke I'm going to kill him myself. I watched Letterman the week that happened and he made a BILLION jokes about it every episode. Its just getting so old. Who cares anyway? Anyways Leno had the best joke about it, he did a COPS re-enactment. It was hilarious.
 
Hub'ite said:
I swear if I hear one more Cheney joke I'm going to kill him myself. I watched Letterman the week that happened and he made a BILLION jokes about it every episode. Its just getting so old. Who cares anyway? Anyways Leno had the best joke about it, he did a COPS re-enactment. It was hilarious.


Im really sorry, Im tired of them too but I couldn't resist the oppurtunity. :happy:
 
Haha QuackyNC its nothing against you. You're right, someone had to do it. Thats taking one for the team. :)
 
How do they figure James Buchannan started the civil war?

How did the Spanish-American War avoid mention at all?
 
Well we didnt have unsolved history on the discovery channel to tell us the Maine was an accident so you cant really blame William McKinley for that one. The American people were calling for war and he had to listen. The US also gained alot from that conflict so it wouldnt be a blunder.

They blamed Buchanon for the Civil war because he didnt take care of it before it escalated to war. He was the President when the states began to succeed, and he didnt really act quickly to stop the situation. He left the problem for Lincoln to solve, and Lincoln desided to use force against his own people instead of using dipolmacy. Lincoln should have been on that list for his actions.
 
The Vandal said:
John's adams, alien and sedition acts.. which made freedom of speech a crime.

That came to mind when I was reading the list as well...but apparently, receiving oral sex in the Oval Office is worse... :whistling

QuackyNC said:
They blamed Buchanon for the Civil war because he didnt take care of it before it escalated to war. He was the President when the states began to succeed, and he didnt really act quickly to stop the situation. He left the problem for Lincoln to solve, and Lincoln desided to use force against his own people instead of using dipolmacy. Lincoln should have been on that list for his actions.

Right about the Buchanan part. The first wave of secession happened from December 1860 to February of 1861, right in the last months of Buchanan's term. He could quickly have done something, anything, to stem the tide of secession, but he did absolutely nothing. It was as if he pretended it wasn't happening. His mindset must literally have been "Oh, well it's not my problem now." Talk about criminal neglect right up to the top.

Dead wrong about Lincoln. Have you ever read his first inaugural speech? If not, read that and tell me it's not conciliatory. The crisis he faced was CAUSED, need I remind you, by Buchanan's criminal neglect, so by the time he assumed office, it was almost too late to avoid military confrontation anyways. He tried to extend the diplomacy phase by allowing non-military supplies to be shipped to Fort Sumter, but this was too much for the South. He forced their hand, to not attack would mean that they were weak, to attack meant that blame for starting the war would be in their hands. Good political move by Lincoln. Had cooler heads prevailed in Charleston, SC, and the South NOT have fired on Sumter, perhaps a diplomatic solution could have been reached, but history is history. Lincoln didn't just outright avoid diplomacy and call for troops.
 
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I konw the succession crisis was caused by Buchanon but the Civil War was caused by Lincoln. No matter what happened, even the Fort Sumter incident, lincoln should never have resorted to military action. That is the worst thing any president has ever done, sending troops against his own people. The south also despised Lincoln and his policies. THey were afraid, even if it werent true, that Lincoln would try and abolish slavery in the south, and tax the south to fund the industrilization of the north. Lincoln made no attempts to ease the fears of the southerners and that led to war.

I have read Lincolns address and in my opinion it is a declaration of war on the south.
 
QuackyNC said:
I konw the succession crisis was caused by Buchanon but the Civil War was caused by Lincoln. No matter what happened, even the Fort Sumter incident, lincoln should never have resorted to military action. That is the worst thing any president has ever done, sending troops against his own people. The south also despised Lincoln and his policies. THey were afraid, even if it werent true, that Lincoln would try and abolish slavery in the south, and tax the south to fund the industrilization of the north. Lincoln made no attempts to ease the fears of the southerners and that led to war.

I have read Lincolns address and in my opinion it is a declaration of war on the south.

Then clearly you have not read it. Allow me to present the relevant bits and pieces, and I urge you to read it through completely. It is long, but these excerpts prove just how wrong you are. He did try to ease their fears, and he was conciliatory. He forthrightly put the issue in the hands of the South, and the decision was their's as to whether a war would be fought. He could not remove the Union garrison from Ft. Sumter, as that would be tacit admission that the Southern states were free, and would have provided for the South a moral victory and proof that they could force the Union to back off. He knew sending the supply ship would force the issue, and you can bet he hoped upon hope that cooler heads would prevail, but sadly they did not.

I find it very strange for you to say that a US President should have been handcuffed in that situation not to resort to violence, whereas the Southern people were free to engage in violence to benefit their cause. Are the Southerners too guilty of the most criminal act of killing their countrymen? Or is it just Lincoln? Imagine any other president (aside from Buchanan) in Lincoln's shoes, would they not have done the exact same thing?

Lincoln's First Inaugeral Address said:
Apprehension seems to exist among the people of the Southern States, that by the accession of a Republican Administration, their property, and their peace, and personal security, are to be endangered. There has never been any reasonable cause for such apprehension. Indeed, the most ample evidence to the contrary has all the while existed, and been open to their inspection. It is found in nearly all the published speeches of him who now addresses you. I do but quote from one of those speeches when I declare that "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." Those who nominated and elected me did so with full knowledge that I had made this, and many similar declarations, and had never recanted them. And more than this, they placed in the platform, for my acceptance, and as a law to themselves, and to me, the clear and emphatic resolution which I now read:

Resolved, That the maintenance inviolate of the rights of the States, and especially the right of each State to order and control its own domestic institutions according to its own judgment exclusively, is essential to that balance of power on which the perfection and endurance of our political fabric depend; and we denounce the lawless invasion by armed force of the soil of any State or Territory, no matter what pretext, as among the gravest of crimes."

I now reiterate these sentiments; and in doing so, I only press upon the public attention the most conclusive evidence of which the case is susceptible, that the property, peace and security of no section are to be in any wise endangered by the now incoming Administration. I add too, that all the protection which, consistently with the Constitution and the laws, can be given, will be cheerfully given to all the States when lawfully demanded, for whatever cause -- as cheerfully to one section as to another.

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I take the official oath to-day, with no mental reservations, and with no purpose to construe the Constitution or laws, by any hypercritical rules. And while I do not choose now to specify particular acts of Congress as proper to be enforced, I do suggest that it will be much safer for all, both in official and private stations, to conform to, and abide by, all those acts which stand unrepealed, than to violate any of them, trusting to find impunity in having them held to be unconstitutional.

It is seventy-two years since the first inauguration of a President under our national Constitution. During that period fifteen different and greatly distinguished citizens, have, in succession, administered the executive branch of the government. They have conducted it through many perils; and, generally, with great success. Yet, with all this scope for [of] precedent, I now enter upon the same task for the brief constitutional term of four years, under great and peculiar difficulty. A disruption of the Federal Union, heretofore only menaced, is now formidably attempted.

I hold, that in contemplation of universal law, and of the Constitution, the Union of these States is perpetual. Perpetuity is implied, if not expressed, in the fundamental law of all national governments. It is safe to assert that no government proper, ever had a provision in its organic law for its own termination. Continue to execute all the express provisions of our national Constitution, and the Union will endure forever -- it being impossible to destroy it, except by some action not provided for in the instrument itself.

Again, if the United States be not a government proper, but an association of States in the nature of contract merely, can it, as a contract, be peaceably unmade, by less than all the parties who made it? One party to a contract may violate it -- break it, so to speak; but does it not require all to lawfully rescind it?

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Descending from these general principles, we find the proposition that, in legal contemplation, the Union is perpetual, confirmed by the history of the Union itself. The Union is much older than the Constitution. It was formed in fact, by the Articles of Association in 1774. It was matured and continued by the Declaration of Independence in 1776. It was further matured and the faith of all the then thirteen States expressly plighted and engaged that it should be perpetual, by the Articles of Confederation in 1778. And finally, in 1787, one of the declared objects for ordaining and establishing the Constitution, was "to form a more perfect Union." But if [the] destruction of the Union, by one, or by a part only, of the States, be lawfully possible, the Union is less perfect than before the Constitution, having lost the vital element of perpetuity.

It follows from these views that no State, upon its own mere motion, can lawfully get out of the Union, -- that resolves and ordinances to that effect are legally void, and that acts of violence, within any State or States, against the authority of the United States, are insurrectionary or revolutionary, according to circumstances.

I therefore consider that in view of the Constitution and the laws, the Union is unbroken; and to the extent of my ability I shall take care, as the Constitution itself expressly enjoins upon me, that the laws of the Union be faithfully executed in all the States. Doing this I deem to be only a simple duty on my part; and I shall perform it, so far as practicable, unless my rightful masters, the American people, shall withhold the requisite means, or in some authoritative manner, direct the contrary. I trust this will not be regarded as a menace, but only as the declared purpose of the Union that will constitutionally defend and maintain itself.

In doing this there needs to be no bloodshed or violence; and there shall be none, unless it be forced upon the national authority. The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the government, and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion -- no using of force against or among the people anywhere. Where hostility to the United States in any interior locality, shall be so great and so universal, as to prevent competent resident citizens from holding the Federal offices, there will be no attempt to force obnoxious strangers among the people for that object. While the strict legal right may exist in the government to enforce the exercise of these offices, the attempt to do so would be so irritating, and so nearly impracticable with all, that I deem it better to forego, for the time, the uses of such offices.

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One section of our country believes slavery is right, and ought to be extended, while the other believes it is wrong, and ought not to be extended. This is the only substantial dispute. The fugitive slave clause of the Constitution, and the law for the suppression of the foreign slave trade, are each as well enforced, perhaps, as any law can ever be in a community where the moral sense of the people imperfectly supports the law itself. The great body of the people abide by the dry legal obligation in both cases, and a few break over in each. This, I think, cannot be perfectly cured, and it would be worse in both cases after the separation of the sections, than before. The foreign slave trade, now imperfectly suppressed, would be ultimately revived without restriction, in one section; while fugitive slaves, now only partially surrendered, would not be surrendered at all, by the other.

Physically speaking, we cannot separate. We can not remove our respective sections from each other, nor build an impassable wall between them. A husband and wife may be divorced, and go out of the presence, and beyond the reach of each other; but the different parts of our country cannot do this. They cannot but remain face to face; and intercourse, either amicable or hostile, must continue between them. Is it possible, then, to make that intercourse more advantageous or more satisfactory, after separation than before? Can aliens make treaties easier than friends can make laws? Can treaties be more faithfully enforced between aliens than laws can among friends? Suppose you go to war, you cannot fight always; and when, after much loss on both sides, and no gain on either, you cease fighting, the identical old questions, as to terms of intercourse, are again upon you.

This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it. I cannot be ignorant of the fact that many worthy and patriotic citizens are desirous of having the national Constitution amended. While I make no recommendation of amendments, I fully recognize the rightful authority of the people over the whole subject to be exercised in either of the modes prescribed in the instrument itself; and I should, under existing circumstances, favor rather than oppose a fair opportunity being afforded the people to act upon it.

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My countrymen, one and all, think calmly and well, upon this whole subject. Nothing valuable can be lost by taking time. If there be an object to hurry any of you, in hot haste, to a step which you would never take deliberately, that object will be frustrated by taking time; but no good object can be frustrated by it. Such of you as are now dissatisfied still have the old Constitution unimpaired, and, on the sensitive point, the laws of your own framing under it; while the new administration will have no immediate power, if it would, to change either. If it were admitted that you who are dissatisfied, hold the right side in the dispute, there still is no single good reason for precipitate action. Intelligence, patriotism, Christianity, and a firm reliance on Him, who has never yet forsaken this favored land, are still competent to adjust, in the best way, all our present difficulty.

In your hands, my dissatisfied fellow countrymen, and not in mine, is the momentous issue of civil war. The government will not assail you. You can have no conflict without being yourselves the aggressors. You have no oath registered in Heaven to destroy the government, while I shall have the most solemn one to "preserve, protect, and defend it."

I am loath to close. We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battle-field, and patriot grave, to every living heart and hearth-stone, all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature
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Ahlerich said:
i never knew that US sold weapons to iran too, i allways thought only to iraq.
We sold weapons to Iran during its monarchy, but cut off supply when the revolution occurred.

I think G.W should've gotten the number one spot for blunders: Allowing 9/11 to occur despite having information and threat vids beforehand; screwing up the nation's budget; driving us into a multitrillion debt; invading Iraq without a backup plan; inaction during world and national disasters; etc.

His blunders have been not only numerous, but highly detrimental for current and future generations, who will have to live with the after-effects of bush's blunderings.
 
Last Roman said:
well Iraq comes to mind. Then there was Vietnam. And then the US' continual intervention in Central America. Then there was the selling of arms to the Taliban. Should I go on?

As much as I support your statement, its difficult to say that selling arms to the taliban was really a bad move. When we sold it to the Afgans, they were not the Taliban nor the Northern Alliance (If that was the name of the opposing group), but rather, just the mujahadeen opposing our soviet enemies. It offered the perfect change to strike back at them for helping the Vietnamese in Vietnam.

Perhaps with the sight of the Iran situation, we shouldn't have done so, but I dont believe we would have had the foresight to realize we'd be fighting the Afgans 20 years later.
 
Hapsburg said:
We sold weapons to Iran during its monarchy, but cut off supply when the revolution occurred.

Officially, you did, but inofficially... Iran-Contra affair, any one?
 
Ahiga said:
As much as I support your statement, its difficult to say that selling arms to the taliban was really a bad move. When we sold it to the Afgans, they were not the Taliban nor the Northern Alliance (If that was the name of the opposing group), but rather, just the mujahadeen opposing our soviet enemies. It offered the perfect change to strike back at them for helping the Vietnamese in Vietnam.

this is true. But either way, we shouldn't have done it.
 

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