If you are interested I can post more of Scottish and Welsh units from the era!

Thanks Tzar, maybe if you could let us know which books or websites you'd recommend we look at for reference...?

We've got quite a few already, both from Osprey and various rather ancient Miniature Wargaming magazines etc. but might well be missing some info.

TWC forum has a policy against posting scanned pics from copyrighted publications though, so please don't post them directly here.

makanyane said:

TWC forum has a policy against posting scanned pics from copyrighted publications though, so please don't post them directly here.

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I was using a program(trial version) to convert files from .pdf in .jpg , thats why I had that demo-mod over pictures

But I can take a look what else I have

I might reccomend looking at the research for the welsh faction (Gwynedd) of M2 wrath of the norsemen. It was my primary faction as a histoian for the wotn team, i can assure you its quite extensive.

WMS said:

I might reccomend looking at the research for the welsh faction (Gwynedd) of M2 wrath of the norsemen. It was my primary faction as a histoian for the wotn team, i can assure you its quite extensive.

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Had a quick look but couldn't spot any obvious thread through searching.

WotN's unit threads were originally public but have since been moved to a private forum. I can PM the details to you if you'd like, though the unit roster is for a somewhat earlier period, I don't know exactly how Welsh warfare would have changed from 900 to 1280...

Also I could suggest some stuff about Irish units if you'd like (Not a priority I know but the vanilla Kingdoms roster would seem a little absurd compared to remade British ones, at least without some minor modification)

Antagonist

Antagonist said:

WotN's unit threads were originally public but have since been moved to a private forum. I can PM the details to you if you'd like, though the unit roster is for a somewhat earlier period, I don't know exactly how Welsh warfare would have changed from 900 to 1280...

Also I could suggest some stuff about Irish units if you'd like (Not a priority I know but the vanilla Kingdoms roster would seem a little absurd compared to remade British ones, at least without some minor modification)

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I appreciate any help you can give. I've never really come across that much describing the Irish and welsh from the 1280's other than some fairly basic info.

I've already put together my basic EDU and EDB based partially on vanilla but with certain faction differentials.

Some drawings of Scottish soldiers taken from gaddgedlar.com



Highlanders and Islesmen




Lowland Spearman

@Legate
Thanks for the link reference. Don't know how much more remoddeling I'll do at this time but these are examples of the main highland clansman unit I am planning to use (these are the non upgraded versions). They are to represent the higher ranks of Highland society and are castle units. There are also pike and axe versions.

Longspear armed



broad sword armed

Great units wilddog, +rep.

Excellent work!
Those shields are really impressive, and the detail/colours of the tartan

Wow! Brilliant work!

Thank God no kilts!

Superb UNITS WD

Excellent work wilddog, your units are unquestionably the best depiction of this culture yet seen in M2.

Antagonist

P.S Any chance of seeing some Welsh units?

Very detailed skins, nice work I like the banner to

Great work, looking very much forward to this!

Thanks for all the responses.

I've been fiddling around a little with the Highland town based units and they will be mostly based around the following types of units.

example base unit with axes and smaller shields.



and the upgraded version

Very impressive. Excellent level of detail and very cohesive colour patterns, this looks very promising. Loving the shields, some of the best yet. Thanks for all your hard work wilddog.

Awesome!

fine work with them highlanders

Given that, while I'm sure progress is continuing as usual, there has been little discussion lately, I've decided to provoke some by showing some nice sources on the mod material I found. Here are some decent sources on Scottish warfare of the period, about the common Scots you'd see in the lowlands and the Highlanders as well. Here is one from the same site but about the Irish, although I hate the green format. Sure, these sources deal with some "dba" game I know little of and care for even less, but they do give what appears to be a decent and accurate idea of what these guys looked and fought like. Here is a site about the Welsh, and here is one with nice pictures of troops of the period, but mostly later unfortunately.

Judging by these sources, the models the developers have made and shown us seem spot on so far, although I've heard them say most have been redone. But if the WIP is this good and accurate, then I can't even imagine how much better the final product will be. For example, no kilts, unlike every other mod save for one other WiP (A Lion Rampant), plaids are worn as cloaks, there is an abundance of saffron shirts and groovy leather jerkins in addition to targes, beautiful akhetons for the longspear troops, and I even noticed the iconic Welsh mustache on the one pic of standard Welsh troops they released. Very excited for the release of more screenshots, to say nothing of the mod itself.

@Hresvelgr
Hi and thanks for the compliments. The DBA game material is useful. Its basically research done by other people but more tied to the figure wargames and the periods they cover. However, obviously still relevant.

We're working mostly on some castles at the moment and welsh D-towers do feature amongst the ones we're working on. i.e. think of a Welsh castle with a north and south large D-tower and the subject of a siege by 3,000 troops.

Its actually one of my favourite castles so I had to do it... obviously over exaggerated due to the scales but an interesting one to do. The problem is mostly trying to work out 'ways in' that suit the game play.