help with war against the egyptians

polarbear297 · May 23, 2007

well this includes all the phalanx armies. whats the best way to counter attack these armies.

polarbear297 · May 23, 2007

like i finished off the greeks and macedons just through sheer size but lost so much men.what to do?

Jimexander the Mighty · May 23, 2007

Use artillery such as catapults. These will greatly decrease the depth of the enemy phalanx and should make them more susceptible to attack.

polarbear297 · May 23, 2007

yeah and i thought also like archers alot but i hear that the majority of the countries have a lot of calvary. true? and of it is what to do?

Jimexander the Mighty · May 23, 2007

Well, what I do is have around 2 catapults and 3 archers then I have 10 heavy infantry 4 cavalry and 1 general. Use all the ammo from the archers and catapults then do a head on attack with the heavy infantry then have cavalry smash the flanks.
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Also make sure you keep archers and catpults behind the infantry at all times so they are protected.

polarbear297 · May 23, 2007

thx cuz these armies like dont wanna give up they like freakin have huge armies after armies of phalanx. and im there building an army the size of like Russia, and all those perfectly well soilders go to waste. now that i think of it my cities have been decreasing by all these mass drafts. poor romans

Jimexander the Mighty · May 23, 2007

Yah the Egyptians are known to send HUGE amounts of armys out. Once when I was playing the romans there was 33 egyptian armies!!!! Took forever to beat them. I suggest that you make an army with about 3 catapults 15 Infantry and 2 generals. Then put them in a boat and attack Alexiandria. The city is key to the egyptions and will hurt them very much in creating money for new armies.

polarbear297 · May 23, 2007

yeah im trying to have a massive fleet to blockade all those well earning ports. but yeah im sending 7 of my 10 generals to war with the east.

polarbear297 · May 23, 2007

how bout the parthian ppl wats a good strategy on those eastern madmen. lol jk never played them

Legio · Mar 29, 2008

Don't forget javelins. They really shred those Egypt phalanxes. With Parthia, hire merc ha and ally with surrounding factions. They are tough ones. Sometimes though they just have hordes of eastern infantry-pathetic!

Fishies123 · Mar 29, 2008

Try and separate units of Phalanx from the main battle group. Its much easier to flank and rout them this way.

DashSia · Mar 29, 2008

polarbear297 said:
how bout the parthian ppl wats a good strategy on those eastern madmen. lol jk never played them

horse archers are counter-tactic for those less-armoured phalanxes. when i play as parthia, eygpt is easily crushed. after access to persian-cavalry, eygpt is crying for mercy. before i can even train an army with cataphracts, eygpt is destroyed.

Summitz · Mar 29, 2008

Egypt is indeed a dangerous opponent, but all of it can be easily be crushed, just be careful of their chariots, and if you dont have phalanx or spearmen then you are pretty much screwed against the chariots. The best way to counter their armies is for the infantry to hold the line, the cavalry rushes from behind into their backs.......
If playing as a horse archer faction, just aim for the chariots FIRST in their armies, and then just run around shooting the asses of the phalanx, if chased by their cavalry, then have some heavy cavalry and rush into its way.
The best army to counter the egypt is the seleucids, but the stupid ai, attacks them and finishes before the campaign even gets hotted up.
To defeat them successfully, have a small number of core infantry to hold the line, have lots of archers and cavalry, just pick off their archers and while the infantry holds the lines, SLAUGHTER THEM ALL!!!!!!!

Xavier Dragnesi · Mar 29, 2008

If you are trying to defeat phalanx formations and troops, the best thing to do is to go by Alexander the Great's awesome strategy of "Hammer and Anvil", which I know Prince_of_Macedon loves to use. Basically, what you do is that you keep the phalanx occupied at the front by infantry, then you send a unit or two of heavy infantry or heavy cavalry and hit them from the back. Since phalanxes are so slow, they will take a while to turn around, but once they do, the other infantry is cutting at their backs. It's a great strategy, and kills phalanxes really quick

Romulus_A · Mar 29, 2008

Best way to kill the phalanxes, as Xavier said, is most likely the Hammer and Anvil tactic. To deal with chariots, it's a must to have some kind of spearmen or archers that can rain fire arrows on the chariots and hopefully make the horses freak out.

Cav vs. Chariots is a fight I'm not too sure of, but I believe the immediate impact of the chariots would hurt, so it's best to avoid that and save your cav for the foot infantry.

As for those pesky chariot archers, use your cav to surround them. Send one unit to chase them around, and then send another unit ahead of them to cut them off, they're very weak once they're forced into hand-to-hand combat.

Selifator · Mar 29, 2008

That might seem so, but you would need heavy cavalry to actually beat them in combat. And those will have a problem getting ahead of them.

candle_86 · Mar 29, 2008

ill agree there, they just rhodes in my current game with 3 armies, and landed a fourth. I cant even land on the beachs as the egyptians have all the room taken up.

Romulus_A · Mar 29, 2008

Selifator said:
That might seem so, but you would need heavy cavalry to actually beat them in combat. And those will have a problem getting ahead of them.

Well that's why you should always have light cavalry and heavy cavalry in your armies!

And regardless if heavy cavalry can take them, I still think that archers or spearmen would be a better option for chariots, their shock bonus is literally almost vanishes because of them.

Prince_of_Macedon · Mar 29, 2008

I'm moving this Battle Planning.

Master_Templar · Mar 29, 2008

I use a few units of archers for the chariots, heavy infantry in my flanking formation (6 units at the back, another split 4 or 6 units at the flanks) and heavy cavalry, missile cavalry is optional. Egyptians are hard though. Every time I send a stack into egypt, it gets the crap smashed out of it by several egyptian stacks. So be sure to bring around 2-3 stacks if you can afford it.

Note: This is for Rome, Greeks should use an arch formation to prevent flanking.

Hope this helps.

Aristarchus · Mar 30, 2008

I'm fighting Egypt just now with Pontus, grateful for once that I have chariots to help, but my chariots are weaker and I still have to lure the Egyptian chariots into a trap to surround them. One chariot archer unit on skirmish will get tracked down and destroyed. And never think of sending cavalry after them. Also, facing the Egyptian army head on is death. I find the best strategy is to put the army on an edge, so the phalanxes and missile units will not reach you at once. Concentrate fire from 4-6 archer units on the near chariots, but don't put the archers out front or at least keep them very close to their phalanx support. I keep archers near the rear side as well for the attack from the chariots from the far flank. My chariots and heavy cavalry take care of the Egyptian cavalry, and when the armies make contact, I use javelins to support my phalanxes against the very tough royal guards. Still, it's costly. Comments above confirm my suspicion that I have to build my navy and blockade the Levantine ports (Egypt conquered Seleucia entirely) to cut the Egyptian economy. Otherwise I'll be thrashing against unremitting waves forever.

Knight of Judgment · Apr 2, 2008

as parthia i use against egyptians an 20 army of units of horse archers

Summitz · Apr 3, 2008

Romulus_A said:
To deal with chariots, it's a must to have some kind of spearmen or archers that can rain fire arrows on the chariots and hopefully make the horses freak out.

Only Scythe Chariots from the Seleucid and Pontus can run amok, not the chariots of the egyptian and briton.

Cav vs. Chariots is a fight I'm not too sure of, but I believe the immediate impact of the chariots would hurt, so it's best to avoid that and save your cav for the foot infantry.

Chariots will eat cavalry for breakfast unless they are bogged down.

As for those pesky chariot archers, use your cav to surround them. Send one unit to chase them around, and then send another unit ahead of them to cut them off, they're very weak once they're forced into hand-to-hand combat.

Only heavy cavalry can beat them in hand to hand fight but they need to catch them first. Light cavalry can catch them, but they will have a lot of casualties. But heavy chariots will decimate any cavalry regardless of heavy of light. The best way to fight them is to use archers.

fourganger · Apr 6, 2008

Slingers are also pretty devestating against Chariots, and you can easily get good ones from the Aegean area.

Commander_Vimes · Apr 12, 2008

Blitzkreig thee advance!! Thee problem with Egypt is that It's thee most Money making place on thee map, I'd say Greece is second...You should really try and tackle them, BEFORE they get to big...but I usually find thee best way is to build up aload of massive armies, and attack all their coastal cities, which will be where their main source of income is and they'll find it harder to split their massive armies also, if you lose 2 but win 3 it's ok..because they're often quite built up powerful cities, and make alot of income because next to thee sea, so retrain, build another army and get them out as soon as possible!

Try to stick to sieges, as their chariots can be quite overwhelming and seemingly impossible to beat, Archers, or missile cavalry tend to work thee best, but also heavy cavalry's a must...numerical superiority send them all at one chariot unit at once, once you've got cavalry superiority, then as you know, their cavalry are :wub:

ed, remember just don't wait..once you've taken a city move on as soon as you've retrained what you can, and mercenaries maybe useful.

atraps · Apr 12, 2008

take the settlement of Salamis from the Eygptians its a economical power-house and taking it cripples them

also try to fight them on two fronts

example- if you are fighting them in Syria try sending a stack to the Nile Delta (usually they leave those settlements unprotected)

Aristarchus · May 15, 2008

For a Roman view against the Egyptians, see photos in my new AAR "Julii Rubicon". The speed of the Roman cohorts makes a very satisfying counter to Egyptian might, and the praetorians withstand chariot charges.

Al Merko · May 19, 2008

For fighting Egyptians you must have a lot of skirmishers. Your army should be either very maneuverable or phalanx based. Your cavalry will probably be better than Egyptian one, if you are not GC or Thrace. And then just destroy them.
Use you archers against their cavalry and chariots, they can even take out Pharaoh Guards, since they have no shields. If you have no phalanxes try to spread enemy's out and destroy one after another. If you have phalanxes just use hammer and anvil tactic. Counter chariots with archers and spearmen. And don't use onagers, they are lame.

Angrychris · May 19, 2008

i had trouble with them aswell during a certain campaign, i usualy only use infantry and calv. but with egypt i found that their vast infantry (spearmen)/cheriots were pushing me out back towards constantinople. so you have to use missile/siege units to discourage/limit them. horse archers would work better imo. they are vast in numbers but are limited in morale.

Stangler · Jul 30, 2008

From a world map standpoint I have had success landing troops near the Nile and capturing the lighthouse and the Pyramids with little fighting to take those cities. My main armies were attacking some Egyptian cities in the north so I may have distracted them a bit.

One thing about Egypt is that they are likely to have enemies. If you can use that to your advantage you are better off.

As far as actually fighting a full stack or more of Egyptians. That is tough. They tend to have a lot of troops, their chariots are a pain, their archers are a pain, and their infantry is no pushover. I am fighting them with pre marian troops and the best luck I have had is with a heavy dose of archers.

They have handed me my worse losses in RTW and I am still trying to develop an effective strategy.

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