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Osbot said:
Those usually don't actually hold up. On this piece of software, I'd take my chances.

If this was upheld, I'd become a car salesman, I'd sell people standards with a lock on the stick, then I'd ask the client to verbally agree not to remove the lock unless they agree to pay me another 5 grand for the key to unlock the stick.

I'd be rich I tell you, RICH!
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No, because you've bought the car. That car is yours to do whatever you would like with it. With software, and most digital media, you are merely buying a license to use it, which in most cases can be revoked by the licensee.
 
Eikki said:
I agree totally. Its just a pity that this forum is overflowing with CA apologists who keep giving the developers more ideas to make money out of us whilst reducing the content of the original game.
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The world ain't black and white, so don't try to put people into CA critics or lovers. I am in between. DLC is the newest fad in the industry, and if you think idealistic posting on a forum will change that you are in for a rude awakening.
 
Idealistic lol.
lets see if CA delivers on their promise of unlocking some additional content with this dlc.
 
fingon said:
LOL! I don´t care. Who cares about petty childish petitions. SEGA has you in their .... Who cares about some gamer petition. Its ridiculous anyway. And don´t be hypocritical. Everybody knows what is the reality. And btw I am lawyer.
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With grammar like that? You sound more like 'I am Weasel' than 'I am a lawyer'. If you're a lawyer, then I'm Cap'n Jack Sparrow. :laughter:

midterm360 said:
DLC is cool, it's replacing expansion packs. I get what people are saying about not having something tangible in your hands like if I wanted to play tiberian sun westwood is gone and I can only play it because i have the DVD (okay EA released it for free but that isn't my point) if SEGA & CA go under or steam goes under or their servers crash and los all the information you do in fact get screwed by the deal. Luckily you stand to lose little money in an unlikely scenario.

What really annoys me is the refusal of CA to release mod tools. The very first mod I played was chivalry total war and had it not been for that mod in a fateful google search I would not have discovered this thriving community and would have resigned my TW games to collect dust years ago. CA does in fact make money and garner good will from its fan base by releasing mod tools and if only they would continue to release mod tools beside their DLC I would be happy.
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In some cases, DLC replacing expansion packs is a good thing. If a TW game releases loads of packs (I know they don't, but if they did), you'd have a whole shelf dedicated to one game. Actually - I have a better example: The Sims. If someone buys the Sims and all its packs, they end up with about ten DVD cases - much better to sell the game retail and make the packs DLC.

Datek said:
I like DLC for the most part. It's like optional upgrades to your game. Unless it gets stupid and its something that should have been in the game to begin with, or its a hat for $20 and things of that nature.

And second the petition that we have no more petitions. Maybe petitions should be DLC :hmm:
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Like unlockable factions. Rome had the right idea - complete the game and play as any faction. No, now they expect us to pay extra for something that is basically in the game anyway, it's just we can't play it? No way, Jose. :thumbsdow
 
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Yea a first time post to this forum. However, I have been stalking the modding resources here since medieval 2 came out. I do believe that the DLC business model in itself is not a problem. In fact in most games it is a welcome addition. What becomes the problem is how it is used or over used. Such as in a racing game, put out a DLC for 5 - 10 dollars that gives 5 - 10 tracks. Now that is actually a huge content boost for a small fee. Now when it becomes a problem is when same said business model begins to sell that track pack in separate pieces. Now you will pay 5 dollars for one track and by the time you have bought the other 4 you have in essence given them double the money. In TW terms it works with maps and units. Now instead of getting an expansion with a new map to duke it out on, you buy maps separately that would have made up that expansion, spending twice as much in the end if you buy it all. The same process goes for unit DLC. Once again the business model is not the problem, but how it is used.
 
Eikki said:
I agree totally. Its just a pity that this forum is overflowing with CA apologists who keep giving the developers more ideas to make money out of us whilst reducing the content of the original game.
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It's just a pity that the forum if filled with CA detractors who keep giving the developers money, whilst at the same time calling other folks apologist for anticipating new content for the original game.

 
I still don't see the point of this feeble uproar over DLC. You guys are aware that you're talking about dollars, right? Not tens of dollars, or hundreds of dollars, but individual dollars. The DLC I bought for ETW might have equaled 11 or 12 dollars and I believe I bought them all. (Excluding warparth)

We're talking about a couple of dollars. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF DOLLARS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF DOLLARS.

So let's seriously look at this:

1) The game is complete without DLC, therefore it's purely optional.(Nine playable factions, and every aspect of gameplay is available with purchase of original game.)
2) You don't not have to buy DLC.
3) Most DLC costs around $3. THREE DOLLARS.
4) DLC is not exclusive to CA, Sega, nor the TW series. (In other words, it is a trend with all PC games to release DLC.)
5) There is nothing morally wrong with a company charging for their products. This is why they exist as a company to begin with.
 
Im sorry but i played napoleon and the price i payed for thos damn dlc's are a pain beacause of:
1. where i live i payed around 25 canadian$ in total for 3
2. I pay for my internet to how much i dowlaod
3. its not optional i have steam and it forces you to dowload not knowing if its a patch or dlc
4. so i pay for no good reason any ways
5. what good is a few units when you can make em yourself for FREE
6. i do not and repeat do not like having my games taken away or locked by steam cuz "i didnt dowlaod dlc"
7. why not just make good expansions? hmm? theres an idea make it with maps and all units and you buy it as dvd
8. dont have to redowload when you rienstall game when its a dvd
9. want any more reason?
 
M2TWRocks said:
I still don't see the point of this feeble uproar over DLC. You guys are aware that you're talking about dollars, right? Not tens of dollars, or hundreds of dollars, but individual dollars. The DLC I bought for ETW might have equaled 11 or 12 dollars and I believe I bought them all. (Excluding warparth)

We're talking about a couple of dollars. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF DOLLARS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF DOLLARS.

So let's seriously look at this:

1) The game is complete without DLC, therefore it's purely optional.(Nine playable factions, and every aspect of gameplay is available with purchase of original game.)
2) You don't not have to buy DLC.
3) Most DLC costs around $3. THREE DOLLARS.
4) DLC is not exclusive to CA, Sega, nor the TW series. (In other words, it is a trend with all PC games to release DLC.)
5) There is nothing morally wrong with a company charging for their products. This is why they exist as a company to begin with.
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I think the point was if 30,000 spent the $3 than that's $90,000, for a fairly simple DLC, that doesn't involve a lot of financial input on the developer's behalf.

I think the argument is overblown too, but people are looking for value, proper expansions etc. that's the issue. If a simple DLC can provide pure profit, than the expansion's of old will remain in the past, that's not something that everybody wants.
 
Stop DLC's and give us complete modding capabilities and we will make the DLC for you.

Of course this is all pointless, CA wants money not player happiness.

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Remo said:
Stop DLC's and give us complete modding capabilities and we will make the DLC for you.

Of course this is all pointless, CA wants money not player happiness.

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And you don't want money? Do you offer to go to work everyday with no pay to make your bosses and coworker's happy?
 
M2TWRocks said:
I still don't see the point of this feeble uproar over DLC. You guys are aware that you're talking about dollars, right? Not tens of dollars, or hundreds of dollars, but individual dollars. The DLC I bought for ETW might have equaled 11 or 12 dollars and I believe I bought them all. (Excluding warparth)

We're talking about a couple of dollars. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF DOLLARS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF DOLLARS.

So let's seriously look at this:

1) The game is complete without DLC, therefore it's purely optional.(Nine playable factions, and every aspect of gameplay is available with purchase of original game.)
2) You don't not have to buy DLC.
3) Most DLC costs around $3. THREE DOLLARS.
4) DLC is not exclusive to CA, Sega, nor the TW series. (In other words, it is a trend with all PC games to release DLC.)
5) There is nothing morally wrong with a company charging for their products. This is why they exist as a company to begin with.
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It's a trend for all PC games to release DLC because it's the malformed stepchild of console gaming.

We were fine before this whole dumb down fest for the mentally handicapped crowd started flooding our turf. We never wanted it, why do you think the vast majority are against DLC for PC games. PC games can be MODDED for Christ sakes. We have been OVER this time and time again.

Here let me bring it down a level so It's understandable.

Console games = no moddy
PC games = muy bueno moddy

That's why DLC even exists for Consoles because they can't make their own new content. PC games can, that's why DLC's are NOT NEEDED. Yet when you have company's taking PC games and making them less and less modifiable like the TW series, while simultaneously phasing in DLC it makes it PRETTY FREAKING OBVIOUS that they are trying to pinch us for money.

PC games are becoming more stupid, shallow and overall lower quality, oh but wait the GRAPHICS ARE SAAAWEEET!!!!.

So that makes it alllll ok.

I'm honestly getting fed up with this conversation. It always goes the same way.

Someone makes up a argument that DLC's are ok, yet fail to ever take into consideration modders and ALL the work they do for said games and how we are being put out like we are basically prostitutes who have reached beyond our usefulness.

Want to know how modders feel about DLC and the direction of games in general?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_HPO961FHs

That's how we feel. Modders took a mediocre game series and made it into something much much bigger and now they're being pushed out.

Some people seriously...
 
M2TWRocks said:
And you don't want money? Do you offer to go to work everyday with no pay to make your bosses and coworker's happy?
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That is a deceptive argument and you know it.

Do you work for CA? Do they give you a bonus? You talk up for them like you do.

No?

Then you should ask for cash from them then since you don`t believe in giving anything as a free bonus to a customer who`s already paid for the main product. You want money don`t you?
 
5) There is nothing morally wrong with a company charging for their products. This is why they exist as a company to begin with.
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Well, I have all sorts of issues with that, speaking as a socialist. But putting that aside, and accepting things as they are, I agree that CA are acting within what is supposed to be 'their rights'.

As a socialist I find it kind of amusing that (likely) committed capitalists complain about such stuff. Well, of course they would.......but then why do they hold to capitalism so much? ;)

[What would a socialist game look like? You can't play SimCity as socialist......and Civ? lol It has a go I suppose.]


muy bueno moddy
That's why DLC even exists for Consoles because they can't make their own new content. PC games can, that's why DLC's are NOT NEEDED. Yet when you have company's taking PC games and making them less and less modifiable like the TW series, while simultaneously phasing in DLC it makes it PRETTY FREAKING OBVIOUS that they are trying to pinch us for money.
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Careful, that's a lot of sense in just a few sentences.
 
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I have an example here, of a DLC, or add on to East Indian Company, called East Indian Company Designer's Cut, see what it brigns:

"Description
The add-on introduces a vast amount of enhancements for improved gameplay, including new port views, the ability to fight on land in island battles, the introduction of multiplayer modes "Beehive" and "Breakthrough", history graphs to help track long term progress, and many more new features to make East India Company a deeper experience than ever before.
“In 'Designer’s Cut', we made several improvements to the original game to make it even better," said Kim Soares, lead designer for East India Company. "Some features were chosen from the ideas presented to us by the East India Company community. This kind of feedback from the active players is invaluable, as they have spent hundreds of hours playing our game and know it inside and out.""

You know how much it costs????
IT'S FREEEEE

Now, I'm not asking Sega to gift the work of CA, or forbidding any one to buy new shinny models or nuns with guns...
But personally if a DLC brings true improvements on game play I'll buy it. If it does not I will not, and I will not recommend anyone to do it since they will be encouraging the marketing of void products.

That being said, we don't know what's the Ikko Ikki DLC bringing on the table. I still hope for a good thing.
 
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Remo said:
We were fine before this whole dumb down fest for the mentally handicapped crowd started flooding our turf. We never wanted it, why do you think the vast majority are against DLC for PC games. PC games can be MODDED for Christ sakes. We have been OVER this time and time again.
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LOL. Is no one even marginally insulted by this quip?
 
Just wait for a steam sale when the game becomes $5 for everything tops. Jeeze stop whinning why dont you go outside and live your life.

lol the usage of steam is ethically wrong lol
such a joke surely your not serious
Steam is epic keeps my game up to date for me keep a list of friends and constant sales so i never miss out and your complaining.

And your complaining about excluding non internet users by using an internet forum, why dont u say this stuff in your local newspaper so u can talk to all the other pesants that dont have internet. lol And the disadvantagees are what exactly?

If I was running CA I would release the game with only Chos unlocked and no campaign game. you pay full price $100 and to unlock the other factions is $20 and to unlock multi is $25 and to unlock single player is also $25. Deal with it.
 
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Kinjo said:
Seriously a petition for no DLC, why are you guys sweating the small stuff? I rather have both DLC and expansions just as long as they are quality products.
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CA have finite staff, doing finite work?
Agreed?
If the staff are kept busy working on pointless eye candy (that should really have been in game from the get go.) Then they can't be working on a real (in depth) expansion.
A petition for no emaciated/dubious DLC, is sweating the foremost issue
Quality products can only be produced through focused work see Valve,(Portal 2, Half Life...) for the pre-eminent example of how to develop and add to a game.
 
I'm going to download it, and I'm going to enjoy a campaign or two, maybe more with Ikko ikki, several hours of entertainment with one of my favourite games, alittle renewned, for only 5$/euros or so. In my case, I think It's a pretty good deal.

Looking forward to it... I know, i'm just a stupid consumer whore.
 
crunchyfrog said:
I'm going to download it, and I'm going to enjoy a campaign or two, maybe more with Ikko ikki, several hours of entertainment with one of my favourite games, alittle renewned, for only 5$/euros or so. In my case, I think It's a pretty good deal.

Looking forward to it... I know, i'm just a stupid consumer whore.
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mods could do the exact same job, but for free. as it was pre-empire
 
Don Of Atheos said:
mods could do the exact same job, but for free. as it was pre-empire
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We cant sadly, since CA limited our modding options by 90% we hardly can create huge mods. Units and few gameplay changes sure, but nothing huge like Third Age, EB or SS.

Modding is killed as we knew it from ETW. DLCs are more important for CA then high quality mods for their fans and customers.

But on other side i do understand them, from mods they dont have a cash, from simple DLCs yes.
 
Radious said:
We cant sadly, since CA limited our modding options by 90% we hardly can create huge mods. Units and few gameplay changes sure, but nothing huge like Third Age, EB or SS.

Modding is killed as we knew it from ETW. DLCs are more important for CA then high quality mods for their fans and customers.

But on other side i do understand them, from mods they dont have a cash, from simple DLCs yes.
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i know , thats what i mean. i shouldve rephrased the statement to say
mods could do the exact same job, but for free if it were not for the coding locks present. as it was pre-empire (med2tw rome)
 
I hate DLC... I liked the big expansion packs much better. DLC is a waste of my money, I do not want to buy factions or civilizations or unit packs... I want to buy extensions to the game!
 
Yes, because a 'petition' is really effective in a market that has almost completely abandoned expansion packs for DLC's :doh:.

I don't appreciate the shift to DLC's either, and think there's a huge ehtical issue with them. But a petition will not sway anyone's opinion. Money will. And, just to be hypocritical, if the DLC was weighty, and appropriately priced, I'd go for it.
From the limited info we know about this upcoming 'ikko ikki' DLC, I don't think I'll go for it. But let's wait and see what mom put in the lunch box, maybe it will be worth it...
 
Steforian said:
The only good 'valued' DLC i have ever seen was that in Fallout 3.
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Wow, this came out of left field, and I have to say, I completely agree with this. The Fallout DLC's have been the only additions well worth their money, imo.
 
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Captain Arrrgh! said:
Wow, this came out of left field, and I have to say, I completely agree with this. The Fallout DLC's have been the only additions well worth their money, imo.

Oh, and @ Googoo and Remo: Rent a room, the two of you.:laughter:
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Borderlands had DLC that was pretty good too. Zombie Island of Dr. Ned, Secret Armoury of General Knoxx and Claptrap's New Robot Revolution are well worth the price they sold for. Let's not mention Mad Moxxi's Underdome though...

Grand Theft Auto 4, Red Dead Redemption, Elder Scrolls: Oblivion (Shivering Isles not Horse Armour :tongue:) all had pretty good DLC that expanded on the original game and provided all sorts of new treats.

Good DLC does exist and not just for any one game. But then if there is anything to be learned from this thread, it's that good and bad DLC can be just as subjective as how bad or good a game is. It just depends on the individual.
 
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