Curial Commentary Thread (end May 2018)

Richard the Lionheart · Mar 17, 2011

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Bertie said:
Why do you keep calling Richard 'Dick'? It's just momentarily confusing and not all that clever.

Conveniently, Dick is a diminutive form of "Richard". Ah, this type of trolling reminds of the good ol' days.

Niles Crane · Mar 18, 2011

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Richard the Lionheart said:
Conveniently, Dick is a diminutive form of "Richard". Ah, this type of trolling reminds of the good ol' days.

If it weren't for that, we could get him infracted for insulting you.

Richard the Lionheart · Mar 18, 2011

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Bertie said:
If it weren't for that, we could get him infracted for insulting you.

4 years ago, there would be a 10-page thread in the staff forums about it and how to deal with it! There were some truly masterful trolls in the mudpit, ethos, and curia forums back in the day.

Hader · Mar 18, 2011

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Richard the Lionheart said:
4 years ago, there would be a 10-page thread in the staff forums about it and how to deal with it! There were some truly masterful trolls in the mudpit, ethos, and curia forums back in the day.

Then along rolled the tribunal... :whistling

makanyane · Mar 18, 2011

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http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=9192817#post9192817

Actually they face it while they are gone. As long as CdeC have not stripped a citizen of their rank they can be referred by staff or by a member of the site to CdeC, whether or not they are currently part of any of the citizen groups.

So why is that allowed? The curia / CdeC is not part of the Terms of Service of the site, and as far as I can see is only an opt in / opt out element. So why when members opt-out can they still be subjected to this? (Unless or until they specifically request to opt-in again?) When as I mentioned before the general rule for the site has been that members (other than Hex / moderators in the privacy of the areas designated for moderation) are prohibited from discussing other members accounts?

Squid · Mar 18, 2011

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Its allowed so that if some citizen felt like breaking the rules they couldn't resign their citizenship break the rules and then resume their citizenship and not be affected. The discussion of members accounts does have allowances, such as CdeC and the tribunal commentary, though both in a limited way. Put it another way, just because you choose not to partake in any way with the citizenship and curia does not mean you are not still considered a citizen. Similar to how if I choose not to vote in election I'm still a citizen.

Astaroth · Mar 18, 2011

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makanyane said:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=9192817#post9192817

So why is that allowed? The curia / CdeC is not part of the Terms of Service of the site, and as far as I can see is only an opt in / opt out element. So why when members opt-out can they still be subjected to this? (Unless or until they specifically request to opt-in again?) When as I mentioned before the general rule for the site has been that members (other than Hex / moderators in the privacy of the areas designated for moderation) are prohibited from discussing other members accounts?

It's that way simply to ensure that people don't "conveniently" resign their rank whenever they are referred to the CdeC, only to pick it up again a couple of weeks later. If someone doesn't want to have anything to do with the Curia anymore they can simply ignore the whole process anyway. Nobody is forced to submit a defense or anything, nor can the CdeC "punish" members (aside from removing their Citizenship but if one has already voluntarily given it up he would probably not care about that).

EDIT: Squid, don't type faster than me.

Hader · Mar 18, 2011

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Astaroth said:
If someone doesn't want to have anything to do with the Curia anymore they can simply ignore the whole process anyway.

This has worked well for me.

makanyane · Mar 18, 2011

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Squid said:
Its allowed so that if some citizen felt like breaking the rules they couldn't resign their citizenship break the rules and then resume their citizenship and not be affected.

So why can't grievances against a resigned account simply be logged - to be assessed IF and only if, the person does ever request to resume citizenship? Otherwise the CdeC is simply wasting it's breath / typing fingers... and invading the privacy of those who wish no part in it.

Astaroth said:
If someone doesn't want to have anything to do with the Curia anymore they can simply ignore the whole process anyway.

Hader said:

This has worked well for me.

Click to expand...

Yup, I must remember to try and stay logged in so I can't see the bloody place....

Hader · Mar 18, 2011

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makanyane said:
Yup, I must remember to try and stay logged in so I can't see the bloody place....

I would be hiding the whole forum, if I didn't like to coughtrollcough in there... :shifty:

Muizer · Mar 21, 2011

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http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=9194078#post9194078

Abandoned eh? Never even got enough support to get voted on. I guess the Curia is as remote from making itself a credible and useful element of the site as it's ever been. I guess it's no surprise.

Jom · Mar 21, 2011

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Muizer said:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=9194078#post9194078

Abandoned eh? Never even got enough support to get voted on. I guess the Curia is as remote from making itself a credible and useful element of the site as it's ever been. I guess it's no surprise.

Wait you're complaining about this amendment being abandoned? Why? It was a terrible idea.

Meneth · Mar 21, 2011

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Muizer said:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=9194078#post9194078

Abandoned eh? Never even got enough support to get voted on. I guess the Curia is as remote from making itself a credible and useful element of the site as it's ever been. I guess it's no surprise.

An arbitrary limit on the length of time on can be resigned wouldn't make the Curia more credible, nor more useful.
It'd only make it so there's another arbitrary restriction that makes little sense.

Mega Tortas de Bodemloze · Mar 21, 2011

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Originally Posted by Muizer
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=9194078#post9194078
Abandoned eh? Never even got enough support to get voted on. I guess the Curia is as remote from making itself a credible and useful element of the site as it's ever been. I guess it's no surprise.

Jom said:
Wait you're complaining about this amendment being abandoned? Why? It was a terrible idea.

What he said...^^^^

If one left honorably, then why should one not return with honor as well... :Ian:

..{"If" you* ever did return that is... :tongue:

}

* You general

Muizer · Mar 21, 2011

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Mega Tortas de Bodemloze said:
If one left honorably, then why should one not return with honor as well

If the Curia is so afraid to offend one of their own that it can't bring itself to properly demote someone who left voluntarily, how can it possibly reform itself in a meaningful way?

Mega Tortas de Bodemloze · Mar 21, 2011

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Mega Tortas de Bodemloze said:
If one left honorably, then why should one not return with honor as well.....{"If" you* ever did return that is...}

* You general

Muizer said:
If the Curia is so afraid to offend one of their own that it can't bring itself to properly demote someone who left voluntarily, how can it possibly reform itself in a meaningful way?

I mean someone who simply choose to surrender their rank...

To my minute experience, the CdeC has never shied away from stripping a member's rank when appropriate.

M D · Mar 21, 2011

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I can certainly think of one case when the CdeC made a mistake in not removing someone's rank

Heinz Guderian · Mar 21, 2011

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what was his/her name?

Jom · Mar 21, 2011

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Muizer said:
If the Curia is so afraid to offend one of their own that it can't bring itself to properly demote someone who left voluntarily, how can it possibly reform itself in a meaningful way?

Would you like to explain why someone should be demoted just because they decided to resign the rank over a year ago? I don't understand your grounds for complaint here, and it appears you just like denigrating the Curia.

M D · Mar 21, 2011

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Heinz Guderian said:
what was his/her name?

It was a he, that is all I will say..

By the way Heinz, did you ever see this authentic battle tune? I just thought it was so good I should share, had it stuck in my head and all that.

Harry Lime · Mar 21, 2011

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Many Citizens deserve removal. Some plebians deserve promotion. Can you give it to them, Darling? Do not be too eager to deal out banishment in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that _____ has some part to play yet, for good or ill before this is over.

M D · Mar 21, 2011

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I can give them love and adoration and patronage.

Jom · Mar 21, 2011

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Harry Lime said:
Many Citizens deserve removal. Some plebians deserve promotion. Can you give it to them, Darling? Do not be too eager to deal out banishment in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that _____ has some part to play yet, for good or ill before this is over.

All I'm saying is that we better not promote someone who ends up biting my finger off.

M D · Mar 21, 2011

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Through cyberspace? I do not want to meet that guy

Jom · Mar 21, 2011

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Why not just have the balls to refer Graham to the CdeC if you don't think he should be a citizen, Major, instead of just taking cheap shots at him in here?

Heinz Guderian · Mar 21, 2011

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Major Darling said:
It was a he, that is all I will say..

By the way Heinz, did you ever see this authentic battle tune?

You were on the Cdec at the time. This is the Curial Commentary Thread. You would be voicing your concerns as a CdeC councillor. Nothing against the ToS in this era of transparency.

M D · Mar 21, 2011

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Jom, everything I would say is already in that thread.. Somehow for some reason, it failed, although I was very suspicious of the fact we had two threads. But that is venturing into private areas of the CdeC

Stavroforos · Mar 21, 2011

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Heinz Guderian said:
You were on the Cdec at the time. This is the Curial Commentary Thread. You would be voicing your concerns as a CdeC councillor. Nothing against the ToS in this era of transparency.

The era of transparency has ended, and the Curia has withdrawn back into its conclave.

M D · Mar 21, 2011

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I disagree as well with the new Transparency Restraint

Jom · Mar 21, 2011

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Major Darling said:
Jom, everything I would say is already in that thread.. Somehow for some reason, it failed, although I was very suspicious of the fact we had two threads. But that is venturing into private areas of the CdeC

If everything you would say is already in the thread, why do you subject everyone to this nonsense in here, then? Either refer Graham, or get over it. Don't pepper public threads relating to current Curial affairs with your farcical grudges and nonsensical conspiracy theories from events which happened months ago.

Stavroforos said:
The era of transparency has ended, and the Curia has withdrawn back into its conclave.

You can read Graham's referral quite easily in the Citizen Antechamber. It pays to check facts before criticising.

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