Re: Italian States Mod, Version1.4, new units for Savoy.

New uniform : Cimariotti (as they are named in L'Esercito Veneziano del'700).
In 1742, their uniform was described as :
Green jacket and breeches ;
Red vest and hat ;
Green silk string ;
Silk buttons for the jacket, tin buttons for the vest ;
Red and green silk.


The officer come from a picture from L'Esercito Veneziano del'700

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RexImperator said:

Looking good as always Pom.

Since Wangrin started discussing the Venice roster I'll throw in my two cents as well. I'll take his roster as a starting point and post why I agree, disagree and any comments I have.

• GUARD
  • Carabinieri: Makes sense, typically the Carabinieri acted as honour guards for important persons and ministers in the city.
  • Veneto Real regiment: This was the unit which typically acted as the guard infantry in the city. It was a single regiment as venice didn't have one official guard regiment, this would be the one typically seen on the parade ground or guarding important places.
  • Alabardieri: Meaning Halberdiers, these were honour guards drawn from any regiment which acted as honour guards for generals on Campaign and the Proveditors, the most important ministers. Should be available instead of republican Guard.
  • Arsenalotti: The workers of the Arsenal were formed into their own regiment and provided guard for the Doge and the Dogal elections. They were uniformed in teh same way as the Bombardieri corps, couls be a Grenadier Guard type unit.
• INFANTRY
  • Italian Infantry (fanteria Italiana): fusilier and grenadier: Straight Forward, no comments here.
  • National infantry (fanteria oltramarina: Call them Fanteria Oltremarina (or just Oltremarini)instead of Fanteria Nazionale as that's what they were known as. They could have both skirmish and line formations or have a sword instead of bayonet.
  • Italian provincial infantry (Cernide): Call it Cernide, should be a higher grade militia unit, possibly replace conscripts as Venice never used conscripts.
  • National provincial infantry (craine) (light infantry): Cranide what I've seen them called more often. Apart from that no comments.
  • Italian infantry veteran / invalid (Benemeriti) no comments
  • National infantry veteran / invalid (Benemeriti) no comments
  • Foreign infantry : If you were to go with one I'd go with the Swiss, or you could lump all together and call them Fanteria Oltremontana (meaning Infantry from across the mountains). Except for the Truppe di Parma which were in fact from Italy.
    • Parmesan infantry (truppe di Parma)
    • German infantry (1715-1719)
    • Swiss infantry (1716-1718)
• CAVALRY only thing for cavalry, there was another unit called Capelletti, though they might be to similar to Cimarotti
  • Cuirassier (corazzieri)
  • Dragoons (dragoni a cavallo)
  • Croatian cavalry (croati a cavallo) (light cavalry)
  • Cimariotti (light cavalry) Cimarotti, remove second I
  • Cranide a cavallo (militia / light cavalry)
• ARTIGLIERIA
  • Reggimenti Artiglieri (1770)
  • Bombardieri : compagnie aggregate all'Artiglieria da Campagna
• MILITIA
  • Bombardieri, acted as a police force so I don't know if they would count as militia, they manned the coastal guns to protect from invasion by sea so they were a regular arm, also don't know if they ever deployed as infantry.

Other
-Fanti Di Mar: venice didn't have a formal marine corps but they had a long tradition of seabourne troops, either the Oltremarini or the Italian infantry could be called upon to do this duty. You could use the Blue undress uniform to differentiate them from Oltremarini, possibly arm them with rifles, as Venetian seamen were known to be crack shots and the Ottomans often avoiding direct engagement for fear of being sniped at.

-Balkan Irregulars: Light infantry force. Units like this were willing to attach themselves to any force in the balkans.

-Friulan Partisans: The region of Friuli (part of venetia) was notable for it's resiting invasion, particularily aginst the Ottomans. These could be a guerilla type unit, no uniforms only available in Venice region.

-Cacciatori: Basically Italian name for light infantry, pretty much everyone on the peninsula had them by the end of the 1700s.

-Veronese Noble Guard: Infantry unit from City of Verona, they have eye catching Blue Uniforms. Unique regiment.

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Thanks Rex, like the idea of the rifled marine unit, and the partisans/irregulars
, and the Verona guards. Looks like Venice will be a good looking faction, any images or detailed descriptions??

wangrin said:

New uniform : Cimariotti (as they are named in L'Esercito Veneziano del'700).
In 1742, their uniform was described as :
Green jacket and breeches ;
Red vest and hat ;
Green silk string ;
Silk buttons for the jacket, tin buttons for the vest ;
Red and green silk.
I like these guys a lot, always good to find unique units, waht should they be used as(light/line?).
Thanks wangrin

Two more units done for the Papal States, Horse and Horse Militia.
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The officer come from a picture from L'Esercito Veneziano del'700

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Re: Italian States Mod, Version1.4, new units for Savoy.

Nice units, as usual

Some more Venetian units :
- Artillery : Reggimento Artiglieri (created in 1770) ;
- Cavalry : Croate a Cavallo (light cavalry) ;
- Cavalry : Craine a cavallo (light cavalry, provincial unit) ;
- Infantry / Guard : Reggimento All'Arsenal;
- Garde nobile di Verona.

About the "reggimento All'Arsenal" picture : I've used a description from 1769 (crimson jacket with golden braids, cream vest and breeches, hat with gold braid and the Bombardieri uniform to create it. I've no real picture to describe it.

About Cimariotti / Cimarotti, they were a greek light cavalry regiment.

About Bombardieri, it seem that they have different uniforms, depending of the unit.
As they was 17 companies...
I think Bombardieri are good to replace in game militia, because CA gave order bonus to them.
But Bombardieri should be better than militia.

About Swiss and german infantry, they were "trivial" units, less than 5 year to serve Venice...

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Of course Wangrin beats me to the punch as always, both of us together must pile work onto your plate Pom. In an effort to help I'll try and list which units Wangrin has provided a picture for, provide one of my own where possible or describe the unit as best possible when no picture is available. I'll talk about units I've brought up or how I think certain units should beportrayed.

Credit, +rep to Wangrin for most of the pictures

-Bombardieri-
I think the Bombardieri would make a better Line Infantry type unit, with the policing bonus, rather than a militia as they would have had training and drills similar to the line regiments, though with a different set of duties, and then the Cernida would represent an above par militia unit for Venice. The Green uniform Wangrin provided, he also provided a fullsize picture of them on page 2 of this topic.


-Cernida, Cranide-
Unofortunatly no pictures survive. The only known information on uniforms was that they were known to use old Austrian uniforms, and were to be dressed in Blue or White. They probably looked a bit hodge-podge as most would probably just be wearing a blue or white shirt.

-Balkan Irregulars-


-Fanti Di Mar-


This is the undress uniform of many Oltremarini regiments, so it's very likely Venetian would have had a unit uniformed like this at one point or another.

-Friulan Partisans (Partigiani Friulani in Italian)-
As they are similar to Guerillas they would have had no uniform, just a gun and whatever they chose to wear that morning.

-Alabardieri-
As they were drawn from various different regiments it would depend what regiment would be available on campaign, so no single uniform would be available. I would, whatever you decide to use as the Venetian line infantry, talk that and make it a little more elaborate. Swap out the Tricorn for the peacock feather cap if possible (visible in next pic)

-Veneto Real-



-Carabinieri-


-Veronese Noble Guard-


Wangrin provided another pic (from the same event I believe) It's the guys in the Blue and Yellow uniforms

-Benemeriti-
I don't really see the purpose of this unit as they are both aestetically similar to the line infantry without a differeing role (beyond simple garrisson duty.) That's just my view of these guys.

I'll double post a recap to show what there are pics of and where they are.

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-Guards-
1)Crabinieri, pic provided above post 274
2)Veneto Real Regiment, provided above post 274
3)Alabardieri, discription provided above, recommend something similar to second pic of Wangrin's post 33
4) Arsenalotti/Reggimento Arsenale, pic provided by Wangrin post #273 seems a very good and logical option

-Infantry-
1)Line/Grenadiers,pic provided by Wangrin post 265
2)Oltremarini, several pics available, also in Wangrin post 265
3)Bombardieri, pic by Wangrin post 265, also in post 34
4) Veronose Noble Guard (Guardia Nobile di Verona), pics in posts 273, 274
5)Foreign Infantry
-Swiss Infantry and Grenadiers, Wangrin post 34
-Truppe di Parma, discription Wangrin post 280
6)Benemeriti (if desired) Wangrin post 265

-Cavalry-
1) Corazierri, pic Wangrin psot 34
2) Dragoons, pic Wangrin post 34
3) Croati a Cavallo, pic Wangrin post 273
4)Cimarotti, pic Wangrin post 271
5)Cranide a Cavallo, pic Wangrin post 273

-Artillery-
1)Artillery crew, Wangrin post 273 (for foot and horse artillery and howitzers)
2) Bombardieri Arilerry crew, Wangrin post 265 (could be for fixed artillery or mortars)

-Militia-
1) Cernide Discription provided above, Wangrin provided an option in post 265

-Light Infantry and Riflemen-
1)Cranide (light infantry militia), see post 274 for discription
2)Balkan Irregulars, see post 274 for pic
3) Friulan Partisans, see post 274 for discription
4)Fanti di Mar, see post 274 for pic

I've also read about Lance Spezzate (mercenary lancer type units) being used by individual Venetian nobleman as private bodyguards, but can't find definate information. Maybe Wangrin's book can provide details?

So I think thats everything accounted for, unless you to see more foreign regiments Pom, in which case I haven't a clue where to get them from. But I agree with Wangrin in saying you don't necessarily need them.

Re: Italian States Mod, Version1.4, new units for Savoy.

Gues people already asked this but is it like possible to put a republic flag for the Italian states in.. the modern italian flag par exemple, because in a republic the wil actually remove the pope from the throne right?

Re: Italian States Mod, Version1.4, new units for Savoy.

wangrin said:

Nice units, as usual

Some more Venetian units :
- Artillery : Reggimento Artiglieri (created in 1770) ;
- Cavalry : Croate a Cavallo (light cavalry) ;
- Cavalry : Craine a cavallo (light cavalry, provincial unit) ;
- Infantry / Guard : Reggimento All'Arsenal;
- Garde nobile di Verona.

RexImperator said:

Of course Wangrin beats me to the punch as always, both of us together must pile work onto your plate Pom. In an effort to help I'll try and list which units Wangrin has provided a picture for, provide one of my own where possible or describe the unit as best possible when no picture is available. I'll talk about units I've brought up or how I think certain units should beportrayed.

Credit, +rep to Wangrin for most of the pictures

Ok guys thanks, I guess I'd better do Venice next, before I forget all this info, you boys are good, can't think of a new way to say thanks, so thanks. I will look through all this and make some decisions
nearer the time.

ReQuest said:

Gues people already asked this but is it like possible to put a republic flag for the Italian states in.. the modern italian flag par exemple, because in a republic the wil actually remove the pope from the throne right?

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Hi ReQuest, I will be looking at the flags later on, but pretty sure there will be tri-colour flags for the republics.

Papal Provincial Militia, will replace normal militia, slighty better.
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This looms great. I was going to start a Papal States campaign once DMUC6.1 is released, but I think now I'll wait till this is done as well to get all the cool new units. +rep

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No need for thanks Pom! We talk about unit rosters and all the things we think should be included and then you do all the hard work!

I think I can safely speak for Wangrin when I say thanks for letting us help!

Re: Italian States Mod, Version1.4, new units for Savoy.

Thanks for the +rep.
Great unit as usual

Ok guys thanks, I guess I'd better do Venice next, before I forget all this info

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You should wait, I've far more pictures and informations but not enough time to organize them.

And, as RexImperator said : no need for thanks, it's a pleasure to give you those informations.
Moreover, it's you which have the harder work.
It's a bit egoist too, because I like to play with all these beautiful units you create.


About Carabinieri, as rexImperator said, they were used as honour guards for important persons, as generals.
They could be a good replacement for general lifeguard.
I've a picture of their early uniform (crimson uniform with gold braids). Later, it seem they wore the same uniform as others oltramarini, but far more richly decorated.

About Italian line infantry : Veneto real wore the same uniform as every other Italian line infantry regiments.
About pictures from RexImperator post (post 274), it's the late Venetian uniform (1788).
The 1775 uniform was similar to the 1788 one, but with white jacket.
Maybe could be use for late riflemen ?

About Cernides, they wore the same uniform as Italian line infantry with only little differences (like the breeches color).
Contrary to Cernides, Craines had no regulate uniform. So, the hard part will be to choose one from available pictures.

Parmesan infantry was considered as a "mercenary" troop and use from 1717 to, at least, 1740. Their late uniform was blu (bleu turquin, RGB 425B8A) with red facings.
I think we should not forget them.

About Bombardieri, I like the RexImperator Idea to use them for early artillery and mortar. So, you could use Artigliere for late artillery.
About others bombardieri, I've a picture of one of them (around 1750) : blue uniform with red facings, yellow vest and breeches and white gaiters (Uniformi militari italiane del settecento).

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Hey Wangrin,

On the subject of Line/Italian Infantry, Veneto real and Alabardieri. My logic was that they all have basically the same uniforms with only slight variations based on the regiment. Using different headgear for Alabardieri vs Fusiliers, (tricron vs Peacock feather cap) seemed a good way to get around that problem. For the Veneto Real, using a later uniform to give them a more distguinshed looked seemed a good solution.

Same problem with the Cernide, so giving them a kind of "hand me down" look would make them a bit easier to distinguish on the field of battle.


And Pom, if you wanted to make an Italian Republic roster to replace the more monarchical type troops for Italian (Papal) States I'm sure that between me and Wangrin we could come up with something plausible.

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Alabardieri wore a crimson uniform, as Carabinieri (but not the same cut / look)

About "Veneto real", as elite regiment are available with higher building level, they could wear the late uniform (at least 1775 one : white with blu facings and same hat than artiglieri).
But I like the differences between "Italian troops" and "oltramarine".
Italian troops were very standardized, contrary to the colorful oltramarine.

I think that the later Italian infantry uniform (the blu one) should be use to replace late rifleman.
Moreover, infantry regiment were composed of fusiliers, grenadiers and cacciatore (forrestiere).
And I've no information about last one unit's uniforms.

Cernides wore mainly the same uniform than Italian infantry, the only difference was quality.

Queste truppe [Cernide] furonogeneralmente formate in Battaglioni di fanteria o in Squadroni di cavalleria e ben ebbero regolamenti ed uniformi del tutto simili a quelle delle truppe "Regolate", ossia di linea.
La decisione di vestire le cernide con un'uniforme venne presa dal senato nel 1700 [...].
Nel 1727 un decreto del senato stabiliva che il vestiario delle Cernide fosse "...intieramente uguale a quello delle truppe di linea..."
[...]
Nel 1741 l'abito per 4.000 Cernide è composto da: "...Velada di panno bianco con mostre e pettorine turchine, camisiola e bragoni bianchi, cravatta, cappello, stivaletti o sian ghette di terlise, incrociature o sia tasco, tracolla e pendon."
In sostenza un abito molto simile a quello delle truppe regolate con la solita minore qualità del panno.

L'Esercito Veneziano del'700, p.65 to 67

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Off course, decree were not necessarily repected...

Nel 1741 si propongono panni blu e bianchi o colorati in genere e non è da escludere che, in qualche caso, per varie necessità, si sia tenuto poco conto delle esigenze del Senato.
[...]
Dopo questa data sembra che le Cernide si vestano conformemente ai regolamenti, anche se alcune circostanze lasciano supporre il contrario.

L'Esercito Veneziano del'700, p.65, 66

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Craine uniform was less standardized.

Craine vene regolato, ma già nel 1741 troviamo, destinate alle truppe del Col. Barone Niccolò Bavbich, forniture di panni verdi per le casacche, rossi per le braghe e tela turchina per le fodere.
Nel 1742 le Craine a cavallo indossavano una casacca verdi con bottoni idem, foderata di tela turchina, giacerma cremisi, braghe verdi, giubbino nero e berettone di panno scarlatto probabilmente rivestito di pelle si martora.
La gualdrappa del cavallo era verde ed erano armati con una carabina alla morlacca e con spada all'albanese.

L'Esercito Veneziano del'700, p.67

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If I've enough time this week-end, I'll begin to scan this book.

About republican unit you could use those from the "Repubblica Cispadana" and "later", "Repubblica Cisalpina" :
I soldati del primo Tricolore
Lista dei reggimenti italiani (repubbliche giacobine)
You have also some good picture in NYPL Digital library.
But those troops were highly standardized.

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Wow Pom, these units are looking awesome!

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Tim1988 said:

This looms great. I was going to start a Papal States campaign once DMUC6.1 is released, but I think now I'll wait till this is done as well to get all the cool new units. +rep

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Thanks Tim, will have the first release in a couple of days, not a complete roster, but most of the units.

RexImperator said:

No need for thanks Pom! We talk about unit rosters and all the things we think should be included and then you do all the hard work!

I think I can safely speak for Wangrin when I say thanks for letting us help!

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wangrin said:

Thanks for the +rep.
Great unit as usual



You should wait, I've far more pictures and informations but not enough time to organize them.

And, as RexImperator said : no need for thanks, it's a pleasure to give you those informations.
Moreover, it's you which have the harder work.
It's a bit egoist too, because I like to play with all these beautiful units you create.


About Carabinieri, as rexImperator said, they were used as honour guards for important persons, as generals.
They could be a good replacement for general lifeguard.
I've a picture of their early uniform (crimson uniform with gold braids). Later, it seem they wore the same uniform as others oltramarini, but far more richly decorated.

About Italian line infantry : Veneto real wore the same uniform as every other Italian line infantry regiments.
About pictures from RexImperator post (post 274), it's the late Venetian uniform (1788).
The 1775 uniform was similar to the 1788 one, but with white jacket.
Maybe could be use for late riflemen ?

About Cernides, they wore the same uniform as Italian line infantry with only little differences (like the breeches color).
Contrary to Cernides, Craines had no regulate uniform. So, the hard part will be to choose one from available pictures.

Parmesan infantry was considered as a "mercenary" troop and use from 1717 to, at least, 1740. Their late uniform was blu (bleu turquin, RGB 425B8A) with red facings.
I think we should not forget them.

About Bombardieri, I like the RexImperator Idea to use them for early artillery and mortar. So, you could use Artigliere for late artillery.
About others bombardieri, I've a picture of one of them (around 1750) : blue uniform with red facings, yellow vest and breeches and white gaiters (Uniformi militari italiane del settecento).

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Enjoying myself, so not any form of work, I will leave you two to sort out the details, then pick a roster, but Venice does look like being the most varied.

Newman55f9 said:

Wow Pom, these units are looking awesome!

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Hi Newman, thanks, I'm glad you like, I've learned a few things, and with the guys above feeding me all the info anyone could need, it's a real pleasure, even though most have gone to NTW, or just gone, I don't care, having to much fun.

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the best remain excellent as always mate, we wait with eagerness as we are including in http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=354714

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♔hammeredalways♔;7708153 said:

the best remain excellent as always mate, we wait with eagerness as we are including in http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=354714

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Thank you Hammered, took a look, very impressive, hope you achieve all you're working on, will do my best to support.

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♔Pom♔;7708097 said:

Hi Newman, thanks, I'm glad you like, I've learned a few things, and with the guys above feeding me all the info anyone could need, it's a real pleasure, even though most have gone to NTW, or just gone, I don't care, having to much fun.

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With this awsome mods like this one some of them may come back

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hey just a quick question, will there be an is version of this mod?

keep up the good work.

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TheGeat said:

With this awsome mods like this one some of them may come back

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Maybe so, CA limited the modding potential, but we should at least explore up to that limit, and with the work done by Darth, and others, it's a far better game than it was.

theflyingsamurai said:

hey just a quick question, will there be an is version of this mod?

keep up the good work.

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Thanks, theflyingsamurai, but no I'm not planning to do an IS version, not sure whats happening with that mod, but if anyone wants to convert it then I have no problem with that.

Line infantry and artillery done.
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cheers PM, Xwhyzed is doing all the work, I'm in the garden with me feet up, don't tell him though

Not that your talents need much help but if you are bored

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=374051

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Dear Pom, you get into the habit of creating great unit !
This is definitively a great mod.
+REP

I hope you'll be interesting into a French mod in the future

About Venice, 2 cuirassiers pictures from 1765 - 1769.
The first one show the regulate uniform, a not very popular one...
The second picture show a not approved uniform, but far more popular than the first one.

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wangrin said:

Alabardieri wore a crimson uniform, as Carabinieri (but not the same cut / look)

About "Veneto real", as elite regiment are available with higher building level, they could wear the late uniform (at least 1775 one : white with blu facings and same hat than artiglieri).
But I like the differences between "Italian troops" and "oltramarine".
Italian troops were very standardized, contrary to the colorful oltramarine.

I think that the later Italian infantry uniform (the blu one) should be use to replace late rifleman.
Moreover, infantry regiment were composed of fusiliers, grenadiers and cacciatore (forrestiere).
And I've no information about last one unit's uniforms.

Cernides wore mainly the same uniform than Italian infantry, the only difference was quality.

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Good to know, I was worried that the Alabardieri, Veneto Real, Line Infantry and Cernide would look to similar to one another, this makes things alot better.

As for cacciatori/forrestieri, it's entirely possible that they would have been uniformed exactly the same as fusiliers, just using different tactics. Though they might have used a different hat.

Can't wait for Italian States Pom, I'd +rep you again but it's too soon.

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♔hammeredalways♔;7711378 said:

cheers PM, Xwhyzed is doing all the work, I'm in the garden with me feet up, don't tell him though

Not that your talents need much help but if you are bored

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=374051

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That looks interesting, one of the main things that bugged me about modding the game was that you couldn't re-colour the cannon to the historical faction colours, i.e. red for Saxony, yellow for Austria, if this plugin will allow that then I'm there, please keep in touch about this, and thanks.

wangrin said:

Dear Pom, you get into the habit of creating great unit !
This is definitively a great mod.
+REP

I hope you'll be interesting into a French mod in the future

About Venice, 2 cuirassiers pictures from 1765 - 1769.
The first one show the regulate uniform, a not very popular one...
The second picture show a not approved uniform, but far more popular than the first one.

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Thank you wangrin, as I've said before you and RexImperator gave me those units and the rosters for them, also very happy to see some heavy cavalry for one of the factions at last.
As for France, would like to give them a go, but I'm commited to doing Spain with Carricanta, I'd already made a small start a while ago, but no reason why France can't be after that, if you'll still be interested, I'm enjoying the collaboration with both you and Rex.

RexImperator said:

Good to know, I was worried that the Alabardieri, Veneto Real, Line Infantry and Cernide would look to similar to one another, this makes things alot better.

As for cacciatori/forrestieri, it's entirely possible that they would have been uniformed exactly the same as fusiliers, just using different tactics. Though they might have used a different hat.

Can't wait for Italian States Pom, I'd +rep you again but it's too soon.

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Thanks Rex, I'm thinking that I might as well finish the Papal States and do just the one update, I've got line grenadiers, some form of light infantry, maybe a second guard cavalry unit, thinking about making them carabiniers, or maybe a couple of units from Modena, we'll see, but hopfully not to long to wait.

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@Pom
Your work is on highest level. Very good job .

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♔Pom♔;7716572 said:

Thanks Rex, I'm thinking that I might as well finish the Papal States and do just the one update, I've got line grenadiers, some form of light infantry, maybe a second guard cavalry unit, thinking about making them carabiniers, or maybe a couple of units from Modena, we'll see, but hopfully not to long to wait.

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I'm in no rush, unfortunatly I'm taking summer courses and working so I haven't had much time for ETW. I can't wait for the second week of August, freedom!

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joedreck said:

@Pom
Your work is on highest level. Very good job .

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Thank you Joedreck, still looking forward to having you fully functioning mod, I did make a start with adding your Prussians, but didn't get very far.

RexImperator said:

I'm in no rush, unfortunatly I'm taking summer courses and working so I haven't had much time for ETW. I can't wait for the second week of August, freedom!

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Good luck with them, and your freedom will be here soon

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About Venetian dragoons uniform :

• early XVIIIth century to 1721 :
  jacket (velada) : red
  facings and cuffs (mostre) : blue (bleu turquin)
  breeches (bragoni) : red
  Buttoned jacket at the front.
  
• 1721 to 1755 :
  jacket (velada) : blue (bleu turquin)
  facings and cuffs (mostre) : red
  vest (camiciola): red
  breeches (bragoni) : red
  Unbuttoned and open jacket at the front.
  
  caparison (gualdrapppa) : red with a white braid.
  (fondine) : 2 red "holster" with white braid (?, I don't know how to translate "fonte") for pistols
  
  In 1731, Venetian dragoons adopted "Bottine" (same as french dragoons).
  
• 1755 (approximatively) to ... :
  jacket (velada) : white
  facings and cuffs (mostre) : blue (bleu turquin)
  vest (camiciola) :
  breeches (bragoni) : white
  The Prussian fashion probably influence the new uniform.
  
  caparison (gualdrapppa) : blue (bleu turquin) with a white braid.

Re: Italian States Mod, Version1.4, new units for Savoy.

wangrin said:

About Venetian dragoons uniform :

• early XVIIIth century to 1721 :
  jacket (velada) : red
  facings and cuffs (mostre) : blue (bleu turquin)
  breeches (bragoni) : red
  Buttoned jacket at the front.
  
• 1721 to 1755 :
  jacket (velada) : blue (bleu turquin)
  facings and cuffs (mostre) : red
  vest (camiciola): red
  breeches (bragoni) : red
  Unbuttoned and open jacket at the front.
  
  caparison (gualdrapppa) : red with a white braid.
  (fondine) : 2 red "holster" with white braid (?, I don't know how to translate "fonte") for pistols
  
  In 1731, Venetian dragoons adopted "Bottine" (same as french dragoons).
  
• 1755 (approximatively) to ... :
  jacket (velada) : white
  facings and cuffs (mostre) : blue (bleu turquin)
  vest (camiciola) :
  breeches (bragoni) : white
  The Prussian fashion probably influence the new uniform.
  
  caparison (gualdrapppa) : blue (bleu turquin) with a white braid.

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Thanks wangrin, not too far to go for the Papal States, grenadier, Modena Guard and guard grenadier, wanted a change from the Swiss.
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Re: Italian States Mod, Version1.4, new units for Savoy.

Is a very nice mod but... ther's a way that not change totally the language in game? i don't want to play in english!

Re: Italian States Mod, Version1.4, new units for Savoy.

Top quality , as usual
I think that Modene guard fusilier should have a silver braid on their tricorns.

Some more picture about venice :

• Dragoni a Cavallo : 1721-1755
• Dragoni a Cavallo : 1755-1781
• Reggimento Muller (swizzeri) : 1717 - Fusilier
• Reggimento Muller (swizzeri) : 1717 - Grenadier
• 1° Reggimento del Principe d'Otting (alemanni) : 1715 - Fusilier
• 1°Reggimento del Principe d'Otting (alemanni) : 1715 - Grenadier
• 1°Reggimento del Principe d'Otting (alemanni) : 1715 - Musician
• Battaglione Farnese (Truppe di Parma) : 1740 - Fusilier (the other uniform was the same than Italian infantry).
• Bombardiere : around 1750

I'll organize all the picture into plates this week-end.

About Swiss and German units, if you do them, I think they should be available only in the very early part of the game.
They were not very good and served only few years (1715 to 1720).