Is the Elder scrolls single player dead?

Is the Elder scrolls single player dead?

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Is the Elderscrolls dead now because of an MMO version?

  • Yup it's dead, sent to the depths of Oblivion forever.

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • Nope, more sequels in the future.

    Votes: 64 98.5%

  • Total voters
    65
  • Poll closed .
I definitely am. You already admitted you played in linear ways and didn't get everything out of your very short ES experience. Come back when you've used and done everything.

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I have said only that I haven't played many mage characters, because I don't like them (the magic system sucks). That hasn't stopped me from completing every major mage-related questline, from Telvanni to the College of Winterhold, because I like to experience TES lore.

The fact you go on about classes and X5's, pretty much shows your ignorance on the ES series. Definitely not what is missing, and you obviously only ever played Oblivion.

Why would that show that I only ever played Oblivion? It was the system in the two TES games that preceded Skyrim, and I was establishing that dropping the system was an improvement.
 
Why would that show that I only ever played Oblivion? It was the system in the two TES games that preceded Skyrim, and I was establishing that dropping the system was an improvement.

The Elderscrolls seem to have a problem with weird skills like Acrobatics which was pretty useless except for giving the player the backflip animation in Oblivion, that was sorta nice but ya overall it was useless.
 
The Movement Skills just made me run around jumping at things for the sole purpose of gaining exp anyways, broke the immersion somewhat.
 

Wait, wait, wait. You're actually gonna sit there and tell everyone that you're an Elder Scrolls snob? And that no one else is a real fan if they like Skyrim for some obscure reason or another? Just about everyone in this subforum has played the lauded Morrowind. We all know what's changed since Morrowind and it's mostly improvements.
 
The Elderscrolls seem to have a problem with weird skills like Acrobatics which was pretty useless except for giving the player the backflip animation in Oblivion, that was sorta nice but ya overall it was useless.
Guess you don't know anything about acrobatics. Come back when you do.
Other than magic, every single one his complaints was incorrect.

I played quite a bit of Daggerfall over the last couple of years (after Bethesda released it for free) and I greatly prefer Skyrim.
Nope. Guess you've never played an ES before. Come back when you know what they had, newb.

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I have said only that I haven't played many mage characters, because I don't like them (the magic system sucks). That hasn't stopped me from completing every major mage-related questline, from Telvanni to the College of Winterhold, because I like to experience TES lore.



Why would that show that I only ever played Oblivion? It was the system in the two TES games that preceded Skyrim, and I was establishing that dropping the system was an improvement.
We get it, you've never played the games, except Oblivion. Come back when you know what they had, and know you never needed to worry about x5s in Morrowind, or Oblivion. Definitely not the 'missing features', the vets care about.

Wait, wait, wait. You're actually gonna sit there and tell everyone that you're an Elder Scrolls snob? And that no one else is a real fan if they like Skyrim for some obscure reason or another? Just about everyone in this subforum has played the lauded Morrowind. We all know what's changed since Morrowind and it's mostly improvements.
Nope, come back when you've played the games. Cutting options and choices is not an improvement. You can like Skyrim, its just more linear and watered down than any other ES. A fact which cant be disputed. If your a graphics whore that likes less, then by all means, love Skyrim.

You know what made me dislike Skyrim?. My fps-shooter likey friend without any rpg experince EVER played Skyrim and he said "It is the best game of my life".
This was pretty much the problem, they made the game for newb twitch unreceptive shooter kids. The types that don't care about options, role playing, or anything. Like some of the kids in this thread...



Cutting fundamental cornerstones of the series is not an improvement, unless your just a graphics whore newb. Come back when you newbs(not you gastovski) know what was and wasn't in the games before Skyrim.

LOL at newbs trying to talk to an ES vet, like they knew what they were talking about. I'll take it half the newbs in this thread would be fine with a game that only had the features they ever used in Skyrim (obviously the only title these newbs ever played) as the only ones ever in an ES.

The ES are dead, Todd and Co. killed it. Then newbs like the ones above, supported it, since they didn't know what was there in the beginning.

The funniest thing is, all of these cut features are all from Oblivion, if we were to list the curt features from Morrowind or Daggerfall to now, it would be 2 pages worth of stuff. That's how I know none of you newbies played any other games except for Skyrim and maybe Oblivion.
 
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Can you honestly make an argument against somebody without resorting to childish name calling? Because honestly its entirely possible to make the point your trying to make without that, and doing so lessen not only the view of yourself, but the forum as a whole.

And in responce to the OP, no it most certainly is not. Zenimax is doing ESO so i'm inclined to think that Bethesda is working on a single player one still.
 
Can you honestly make an argument against somebody without resorting to childish name calling? Because honestly its entirely possible to make the point your trying to make without that, and doing so lessen not only the view of yourself, but the forum as a whole.

And in responce to the OP, no it most certainly is not. Zenimax is doing ESO so I'm inclined to think that Bethesda is working on a single player one still.
Thing is, I don't really care about the newbs. If they don't know what was there before, and cant take my already civil explanations, they're obviously just stubborn newbs who don't know about the ES. Newbs don't know about RPing and RP options. They play in linear ways (if they even play at all) and if they didn't use this or that, then they figure nobody used or wanted to use this or that either. Not my fault these people admittedly didn't get everything out of their games. The vets (only people that matter, or at least should when it comes to making an ES) already know Skyrim is a shell of its former self. They know how there's less mechanics and features than ever. The fact you say this: "its entirely possible to make the point your trying to make without that" makes me think your a vet and agree with me.

ES, where the newbs are fanboy blind defenders, and the vets actually criticize.
 
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IMO.....I think one should just throw out their pre-conceived assumptions and wait until the game actually comes out before forming an opinion......positive or negative....

Perfect fully fine to state first impressions though....

Personally.....I don't have a good first impression but I'll wait till I play it before discussing any further....

Much like I strongly dislike the CoD series of games....but I wait till I actually play them before I form an opinion....

But I'm foreseeing the usual early bugs with Betheseda and the bigger pool of players not being so forgiving of them.....
 
IMO.....I think one should just throw out their pre-conceived assumptions and wait until the game actually comes out before forming an opinion......positive or negative....

Perfect fully fine to state first impressions though....

Personally.....I don't have a good first impression but I'll wait till I play it before discussing any further....

Much like I strongly dislike the CoD series of games....but I wait till I actually play them before I form an opinion....

But I'm foreseeing the usual early bugs with Betheseda and the bigger pool of players not being so forgiving of them.....
It will be as buggy as WoW, or the Old Republic. The game will not be buggy like your typical Beth RPG, since this isn't a Beth RPG, its a themepark copy/paste MMO.
 
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IMO.....I think one should just throw out their pre-conceived assumptions and wait until the game actually comes out before forming an opinion......positive or negative....

Perfect fully fine to state first impressions though....

Personally.....I don't have a good first impression but I'll wait till I play it before discussing any further....

Much like I strongly dislike the CoD series of games....but I wait till I actually play them before I form an opinion....

But I'm foreseeing the usual early bugs with Betheseda and the bigger pool of players not being so forgiving of them.....

This. It looks like a WoW clone but hey, it might surprise us and be genuinly good and unique. I'll wait till its actually playable before passing judgement on wheather or not its bad.

But by god it sure isn't sounding to positive.
 
In opposition with this misery, total war mods, the elder scrolls mods rules, they are the game life, so ,i don't imagine the thousands of different combinations possible. And i don't want enter in a cave with 10000 guys.
 
You know what made me dislike Skyrim?. My fps-shooter likey friend without any rpg experince EVER played Skyrim and he said "It is the best game of my life".

:laughter:

This, ladies and gentlemen, is haughty elitism.

Perhaps your friend enjoys the RPG playstyle, and never knew it until he tried one?

More importantly, why does that impact your opinion of the game at all?

We get it, you've never played the games, except Oblivion. Come back when you know what they had, and know you never needed to worry about x5s in Morrowind, or Oblivion. Definitely not the 'missing features', the vets care about.

Pretty sure x5s were in Morrowind AND Oblivion, bud.

And yes, you're whining about the picking apart of one of the worst class/levelling systems ever devised.

Nope, come back when you've played the games. Cutting options and choices is not an improvement.

It can be, and in this case, is.

You can like Skyrim, its just more linear and watered down than any other ES. A fact which cant be disputed.

That can easily be disputed. Arena, anyone? Redguard? And of the other spin-offs?

More importantly, Oblivion was, at best, equally linear, except there wasn't even a conflict you could side in. In Morrowind, for example, you could choose between three of the Great Houses, and in Skyrim you could choose a side in the Civil War.

No such choice in Oblivion, which I repeat, is the worst of the last three ES games.

The ES are dead, Todd and Co. killed it.

Uh, who made it? Morrowind, the pinnacle of the series, was lead by Todd Howard. And, by the way, he also cut out alot of crap clutter skills that were in Daggerfall.

Todd understands that less can be better. This can especially be seen in terms of geographical size, Morrowind is tiny.
 
Even though i do think its a shame some things were removed such as spell creation and the continual lessening of armor mix matching, streamlining things are not always bad and it works fairly well in Skyrim, using spells is actually fun now.
 
I do miss spell creation just a little bit (I'm not a pure mage though, so it doesn't really bug me),

I think that with all the new spell effects spell creation in Skyrim would've been pretty damned cool, not just a couple sliders like in Morrowind.

I think that they should give mages more "kinetic" abilities, so that instead of back-pedaling you're pushing the enemy back. Would make being a mage much more fun.
 
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I do miss spell creation just a little bit (I'm not a pure mage though, so it doesn't really bug me), but combining pauldrons, cuirasses, and greaves, makes a lot of sense.

Im just one of those people who like to have a lot of customization when it comes to clothing :P their were a fair few armours in this game that had great Cuirasses but then screwed it up with annoying Greaves for example.
 
Single player Elder Scrolls dead? Did you see the sales from Skyrim? We'll be seeing plenty more to come. Which is both good and bad I suppose, I mean it's obviously good there will be more games in what is a very fun series but Skyrim changed some things I hope don't make it to the next iteration, however it also added some things I most certainly hope remain in the series.

Personally I don't mind them getting athletics and acrobatics, and I am very very happy they got rid of durability (I mean what's the point? It means everyone has to take the bloody skill and it just makes everything slightly inconvenient.) but the fact they cut attributes bothers me to no end. Also maybe now with the huge increase in popularity they'll be able to afford some better writers... But anyway I'm just rambling at this point.
 
No way, I don't think MMOs should replace the single-player experience. I do wish they could add a co-op side of things so you can play with a friend (restricted to certain island, map or something, or just for fun doing a series of dungeons) but ultimately I'd be disappointed if they went down the MMO route only. They both can coincide though, wouldn't mind that... as long as the quality of the single player game was still maintained.


Fundamentals of the series which were cut from Skyrim:


Attributes
Spell Creation
Acrobatics and run speed variables
H2H skill
Degradation
Totally neutered spell effects list
Totally neutered greater and lesser powers list

Sadly, I can keep going. With these features gone, Skyrim isn't even ES V, its Redguard 2.0 with choosable races.

It is sad to see that Elder Scrolls is only ES if it has Attributes and such in it. Nonsense! I think it works better now than it ever has! I can understand people being upset about losing things, especially Spell Creation, but Acrobatics, running speed etc really aren't that integral to the spirit and game, in my opinion. Degradation was one of the most annoying aspects of the game... I'm glad I can enjoy myself without having to use dozens of silly repair hammers. I've never been a poncy mage, so the spell side of things missing doesn't effect me, but I know the style is favored among a lot of people, so I can understand why they are upset there... but Skyrim may well change that!:)
 
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Why do some people think the series has been what it is because of certain RPG aspects. It's always been exploration and freedom! That's what has made the series what it is today. Even if the game may not have spell creation or durability we still and always will have exploration and freedom; that is why we play the Elderscrolls and what makes it unique from other games.
 
Why do some people think the series has been what it is because of certain RPG aspects. It's always been exploration and freedom! That's what has made the series what it is today. Even if the game may not have spell creation or durability we still and always will have exploration and freedom; that is why we play the Elder Scrolls and what makes it unique from other games.
Every sandbox game has exploration and freedom. Nothing unique about those concepts. I'd say Szlachta is right. Compared to previous games in the series said "freedom" is sorely lacking. With less options and choices than there has ever been in the Elder Scrolls games.
 
I just hope they bring back some of the stuff, Skyrim had so little character customization in terms of stats. As everything leveled up while you used it and virtually all perks are in a linear tree it was practically all chosen for you. It was fun, don't get me wrong but I just want more options. Actually I'd rather have more options in dialogue (as there are very very few quests you can actually change the ending of) though I suppose there never really were. The world is getting bigger, but character creation is getting smaller. It doesn't seem worth it to me.
 
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For me, SP was dead once the true RPG experience disappeared and/or never appeared. For skyrim, most of the things you to is attack attack attack. Of course, there are mods that might change this, but where is the game RPG true content like sitting down and eating food by clicking the mouse?
 
For me, SP was dead once the true RPG experience disappeared and/or never appeared. For skyrim, most of the things you to is attack attack attack. Of course, there are mods that might change this, but where is the game RPG true content like sitting down and eating food by clicking the mouse?


Considering the questionable writing and dialogue and voice acting, I'd say this is the least of all my concerns when I was playing Skyrim
 
For me, SP was dead once the true RPG experience disappeared and/or never appeared. For skyrim, most of the things you to is attack attack attack. Of course, there are mods that might change this, but where is the game RPG true content like sitting down and eating food by clicking the mouse?

3/10.

If you're going to troll, try a little harder.
 
Well since I like Skyrim I must be a "newb" but I think I'm well placed to give my assessment based on my experience of all 5 five major titles.

Arena: Rip off of D&D and some better games of the time.

Daggerfall: Good ideas, poor game.

Morrowind: Great in nearly all respects but awful gameplay.

Oblivion: Meh in all respects.

Skyrim: Minor problems, but the good really hides the bad and the ugly.
 

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