More new FotS screens

Matamoros · Feb 10, 2012

Being excited about FotS is one thing.
This is going to be like napoleonic Shogun. You can like it or not, but being excited about what this implies for the next TW game is something far more interesting.
The way I see it, this has two possible ways:

1) The not so good way. The way of the pure gunfire and artillery warfare. WW1 being the next TW. Which I would find sad. Depressing trenches. Zero unit variety. Only 5 nations and some "emergents". This means also goodbye to swords and arrows, to sieges (not that they precisely rocked but we had high hopes) and such.

2) The right way. Mixing all that CA has achieved and learnt to this very moment: swords, arrows, armour upgrades, castle variety, proper sieges, unit and nation variety AND gunfire, naval battles, naval invasions, military tactics and formations, artillery, diplomacy... all of this finds its place in a timeframe of maximum political tension where Europe was in a permanently state of war.
And this is between 1500-1700. This is the only timeframe CA hasn't touch.

Or I could be wrong and they make Rome 2 but I doubt it.

BlackDragon1032 · Feb 10, 2012

The aspect of having trains is gonna have a huge impact on the game

nameless · Feb 10, 2012

Is there any confirmation in regards to bayonets? Kinda weird to see them fight without them.

I just wonder what that means for cavalry as in NTW/ETW a line infantryman could hold off cavalry with fixed bayonets but in this case they won't have any spear-like weapon to fight them off. :hmm:

I mean a bayonet can't be that much different than a Yari samurai no?

visser300 · Feb 10, 2012

Noif said:
I don't know, does UK soldiers looked like this? this picture looks like "Hotel staffs strike back!"

I'd like the costume of red coat army in 17th-18th century. British soliders in the picture look like a bunch of waitress who angry with their bosses.

Chevalier IX · Feb 10, 2012

nameless said:
Is there any confirmation in regards to bayonets? Kinda weird to see them fight without them.

I just wonder what that means for cavalry as in NTW/ETW a line infantryman could hold off cavalry with fixed bayonets but in this case they won't have any spear-like weapon to fight them off.

I mean a bayonet can't be that much different than a Yari samurai no?

In actuality the proper usage of a yari vastly varies from that of a bayonet.this being said lending from their previous experience and increased importance of anti cavalry techniques i am sure ca has developed a plan of action around this

Matamoros said:
Being excited about FotS is one thing.
This is going to be like napoleonic Shogun. You can like it or not, but being excited about what this implies for the next TW game is something far more interesting.
The way I see it, this has two possible ways:

1) The not so good way. The way of the pure gunfire and artillery warfare. WW1 being the next TW. Which I would find sad. Depressing trenches. Zero unit variety. Only 5 nations and some "emergents". This means also goodbye to swords and arrows, to sieges (not that they precisely rocked but we had high hopes) and such.

2) The right way. Mixing all that CA has achieved and learnt to this very moment: swords, arrows, armour upgrades, castle variety, proper sieges, unit and nation variety AND gunfire, naval battles, naval invasions, military tactics and formations, artillery, diplomacy... all of this finds its place in a timeframe of maximum political tension where Europe was in a permanently state of war.
And this is between 1500-1700. This is the only timeframe CA hasn't touch.

Or I could be wrong and they make Rome 2 but I doubt it.

I personally believe ca is getting ready to tackle industrial warfare

BlackDragon1032 · Feb 10, 2012

@Chevalier I think it also

Captain Arrrgh! · Feb 10, 2012

spartan_warrior said:
Here are some shots I found of the US Marines, it's good to see that they aren't copies of the British just coloured differently. They actually have a different style kepi, jacket, rug-sack, and facial hair, they even use their proper rifle, it's not the clearest from the screens but it is a muzzle loader, so it's likely the Springfield Model 1861. While the British Royal Marines are clearly sporting the breech loaded Snider-Enfield

I bet dollars to doughnuts they'll use pre-existing samurai fight animations.
People can go ahead and roll their eyes but fighting styles should be reflected differently.

Drtad · Feb 10, 2012

Captain Arrrgh! said:
I bet dollars to doughnuts they'll use pre-existing samurai fight animations.
People can go ahead and roll their eyes but fighting styles should be reflected differently.

But they're holding the sabers with one hand. As far as I've seen the Shogun 2 samurai and ashigaru grip the katana with both hands but I can't say I've been paying that close attention..

Captain Arrrgh! · Feb 10, 2012

It's the exact same stance and angle of blade as the standard bearers from vanilla. They'll use the same basic one handed attacks as S2 standard bearers.

Really, I hope I'm wrong and there's some new Western parry-and-thrust style swordsmanship to reflect the fact that none of these gaijn have had any formal training within a Japanese dojo, but since CA have never bothered to make new animations -to the point of making some of their unit attacks look ridiculous (tetsubo, 2Hers in Med 2, etc) I don't have high hopes.

Matamoros said:
Being excited about FotS is one thing.
This is going to be like napoleonic Shogun. You can like it or not, but being excited about what this implies for the next TW game is something far more interesting.
The way I see it, this has two possible ways:

1) The not so good way. The way of the pure gunfire and artillery warfare. WW1 being the next TW. Which I would find sad. Depressing trenches. Zero unit variety. Only 5 nations and some "emergents". This means also goodbye to swords and arrows, to sieges (not that they precisely rocked but we had high hopes) and such.

2) The right way. Mixing all that CA has achieved and learnt to this very moment: swords, arrows, armour upgrades, castle variety, proper sieges, unit and nation variety AND gunfire, naval battles, naval invasions, military tactics and formations, artillery, diplomacy... all of this finds its place in a timeframe of maximum political tension where Europe was in a permanently state of war.
And this is between 1500-1700. This is the only timeframe CA hasn't touch.

Or I could be wrong and they make Rome 2 but I doubt it.

1- I'm both loving and hating the idea of a time frame of 1500-1700. Loving because I'm so wanting this, and hating because we all know this is a perfect opportunity to sell us add-ons piece meal, and it will be difficult to resist.

2- Your avatar. Alatriste?

Hresvelgr · Feb 10, 2012

Matamoros said:
And this is between 1500-1700. This is the only timeframe CA hasn't touch.

Umm, really? For starters, Medieval 2 extends well into the 1500's, and in any case there are dozens more possible timeframes they ain't covered. At the very least.

Erwin Rommel · Feb 10, 2012

Things that can be gleaned from this.......well other things that are not yet mentioned...

Nobody seems to take note that finally the Denshūtai have made an appearance. (Aka the cavalry there). Although there lances seem abit too thick.

The Choshu Domain seems to be yellow now, and the blue guys, I dunnoh if its either the Jozai or Nagaoka, we'll see which of the two clans have a mitsudomoe clan symbol as there most prominent one. I bet its the Jozai. It cant be Aizu. Aizu is black.

Have any of you noticed the clothes under the armor of the samurai? Its different now than Shogun 2. (the vertical stripes. A-holes if you cant notice it. :surprise:

)

Captain Arrrgh! · Feb 10, 2012

Umm, really? For starters, Medieval 2 extends well into the 1500's, and in any case there are dozens more possible timeframes they ain't covered. At the very least.

No, it doesn't extend 'well into the 1500's'. It ends in 1530, and it covers these thirty years rather poorly. The Eighty Years War between the Spanish and Dutch alone warrants a proper and deserving game for this time period.

@ Rommel-dono. Yes, it's good to see they've put effort into making different skins for these latter samurai. See, I'm not completely psycho over their 3 clan DLC scam.

BlackDragon1032 · Feb 11, 2012

Are there already screens of agents? Are there still ninja's in FoTS?

Stívarðr Reynitré · Feb 11, 2012

There exists the potential for about 6 standalone games within the era covering 1400-1700

The_Nord · Feb 11, 2012

Erwin Rommel said:
Things that can be gleaned from this.......well other things that are not yet mentioned...

Nobody seems to take note that finally the Denshūtai have made an appearance. (Aka the cavalry there). Although there lances seem abit too thick.

The Choshu Domain seems to be yellow now, and the blue guys, I dunnoh if its either the Jozai or Nagaoka, we'll see which of the two clans have a mitsudomoe clan symbol as there most prominent one. I bet its the Jozai. It cant be Aizu. Aizu is black.

Have any of you noticed the clothes under the armor of the samurai? Its different now than Shogun 2. (the vertical stripes. A-holes if you cant notice it. )

Dayum those are some thick lances. Did they use a new form of lance in the Boshin War or did they stick with their traditional Yari-design?

Erwin Rommel · Feb 11, 2012

The_Nord said:
Dayum those are some thick lances. Did they use a new form of lance in the Boshin War or did they stick with their traditional Yari-design?

New. Look at the head, its not a yari blade and notice how its a bit thicker. I'll assume those are rolled of penants. Otherwise you'll have to contend with penants sticking out like cardboard like in NTW2, but I prefer it that way. :whistling

Tis a shame, nobody seems to notice them, byakkotai, denshutai, all this cool units, and lets not forget the Shinsengumi. All seem to obsessed on gaijin marines and there non issuance of bayonets, red kepis oh and the brodie helmets.

And there is that weird Sendai Domain screenshot, why weird? Coz its not included in the faction list or the DLC factions. Probably custom battle like Aizu Domain vs Minamoto Clan (Gempei). Meh, I'll just pester Anton for a Sendai Domain mod or better still, an All Playable Clan mod (sans the DLC factions of course).

(Mark my words, the moment they saw the cone helmets and shaguma, they'll be back with new threads calling for their abolition. )

The_Nord · Feb 11, 2012

This forum is rather obsessed with the accuracy of helmets. Let's not forget the napoleonic helmet wars of 2009-2010.

BlackDragon1032 · Feb 11, 2012

The_Nord said:
This forum is rather obsessed with the accuracy of helmets. Let's not forget the napoleonic helmet wars of 2009-2010.

Indeed

The_Nord · Feb 11, 2012

Don't get me wrong, I love accuarcy in the equipment of troops in the Total War-games, and it's something CA should strive for, but that some people dismiss entire games because a unit type wears the wrong helmet by 1 year is rather... Silly.

BlackDragon1032 · Feb 11, 2012

The_Nord said:
Don't get me wrong, I love accuarcy in the equipment of troops in the Total War-games, and it's something CA should strive for, but that some people dismiss entire games because a unit type wears the wrong helmet by 1 year is rather... Silly.

I know what you mean

, some people just overreact.

The_Nord · Feb 11, 2012

Exactly.

Chevalier IX · Feb 11, 2012

Erwin Rommel said:
New. Look at the head, its not a yari blade and notice how its a bit thicker. I'll assume those are rolled of penants. Otherwise you'll have to contend with penants sticking out like cardboard like in NTW2, but I prefer it that way.

Tis a shame, nobody seems to notice them, byakkotai, denshutai, all this cool units, and lets not forget the Shinsengumi. All seem to obsessed on gaijin marines and there non issuance of bayonets, red kepis oh and the brodie helmets.

And there is that weird Sendai Domain screenshot, why weird? Coz its not included in the faction list or the DLC factions. Probably custom battle like Aizu Domain vs Minamoto Clan (Gempei). Meh, I'll just pester Anton for a Sendai Domain mod or better still, an All Playable Clan mod (sans the DLC factions of course).

(Mark my words, the moment they saw the cone helmets and shaguma, they'll be back with new threads calling for their abolition. )

I think the ongoing and overbearing conversations concerning the foreign detachments is a direct result of the inherent euro centricity that is going about here amongst many of the posters,as well as a familiar and relatable unit that gives them a feeling of stake in the game.a waste really as there are set to be some very exciting and legendary formations present in fots especially the byakkotai and shinsengumi....and yeah..people are going to lose it over the shagumas worse than they did the horo

Nizam89 · Feb 11, 2012

I really need an answer to this:

Are there only 6 clans (+ 1 pre order clan) in this game but also plenty of other domains which played a minor role in the boshin war?

Matamoros · Feb 11, 2012

Captain Arrrgh! said:
2- Your avatar. Alatriste?

Exactly. Alatriste.

Rocroi battle.
I love the timeframe but this film was such a waste. If only Ridley Scott had done it...

Captain Arrrgh! · Feb 11, 2012

Matamoros said:
Exactly. Alatriste.
Rocroi battle.
I love the timeframe but this film was such a waste. If only Ridley Scott had done it...

Spain's second most expensive movie after Agora. I really liked it, but the battle of Rocroi could have used some more mone/people/CGI. There were only about fifty guys in that tercio. :laughter:

Viggo did a good job too. Great sword fighting.

Drtad · Feb 11, 2012

Nizam89 said:
I really need an answer to this:

Are there only 6 clans (+ 1 pre order clan) in this game but also plenty of other domains which played a minor role in the boshin war?

Yes I'm sure there are local domains that are left as minor.

spartan_warrior · Feb 11, 2012

I was looking through all these screens again, and I stumbled across these.

Would this unit be the Shogitai? They are a Shogunate unit and they are clearly not the Shinsengumi, and this screen is from the historic battle of Toba-Fushimi where they played a significant role.

They look quite similar to this picture which shows a Shogitai against a Shaguma.

Duel_between_a_Shogitai_and_Shaguma_in_the_Battle_of_Ueno.jpg

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