Limited Hannibal at the Gates Campaign Map

[EmperorBatman999]

I've done some examining of the map and I feel a little disappointed. I mean Caesar in Gaul's map was very large and focused. Instead I see that this game will have very large provinces kind of spread out over an ocean and I feel a little disappointed. I think there should've been some Illyria, a little more of Gaul and African and maybe parts of Greece.

Anybody else see something lacking in this map?

[LordKainES]

Well the map is focused on the main threatre of II punic war....

[GRANTO]

yes its lacking in lots of areas.too many to even go into but ...we shall see ...i can see dark clouds after this one comes out.

[Sir Furlong]

I can definitely see how having Illyria and parts of Greece would add to it, but I'm not sure there much else for Africa. Would you suggest the map being extended further east in Africa? or do you mean more regions further south?

And I feel like having so much of the map taken up by the sea is part of the point I would guess. The Punic wars did have a lot of naval action.

[Dago Red]

Step 1: Link to map.

I agree, the Illyrian coast would be the least they could do. If you should have landings or naval engagements in the Adriatic it's folly to have a blank coast. However, I can't imagine why anyone truly cares, because for this to matter you would have to buy it. And to buy it, you would have to ignore the fact that the base game is still a broken, jumbled, pile of smoking rubble.

[The Noble Duke Of York]

Well they are ignoring the First Macedonian War (Macedon was Carthage's ally) which was concurrent with the Second Punic War. The only possible explanation I can think of that they would have for doing so is that that conflict with Macedon did not end up amounting to much battle-siege-naval-wise and was almost a non-event in comparison to the real conflict Rome and Carthage were waging.

However TW games have always had that "what if" factor and Macedon could have been that "what if?" It would be interesting in this game to see the impact Macedon might make if it managed to get an army on Italian soil. Plus Rome had Greek allies and these should have been included. I would have put those factions in just to be complete.

[Litharion]

Step 1: Link to map.

I agree, the Illyrian coast would be the least they could do. If you should have landings or naval engagements in the Adriatic it's folly to have a blank coast. However, I can't imagine why anyone truly cares, because for this to matter you would have to buy it. And to buy it, you would have to ignore the fact that the base game is still a broken, jumbled, pile of smoking rubble.

well Greece should be in [first Macedonian war], but CA delivers what I expected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_Wars

[kamikazee786]

yaaay lets all pay £15 for a smaller campaign map -_-

because that's all this is.

[AnonMilwaukean]

All it really seems to be missing, for me at least, is, like others have already mentioned, the Illyrian coast.

After looking at the Wiki for HatG, the map is actually less objectionable than I first thought. They include the Celts directly north of Rome, which I had heard elsewhere was supposedly not included.

The omission of the rest of Greece is fine with me. If you were to include all of Greece, then you'd really also have to include the areas neighboring Greece as well, and I think it'd get to be pretty unfocused. Hence, even though Macedon was involved, I think it's a good design choice to not include them, as it would start to get out of control as to what provinces would need to be included to make the map feel balanced and focused.

But the Illyrian coast, north of Greece proper, might have been good to include, just to round out the northern border of the map.

[krisslanza]

All it really seems to be missing, for me at least, is, like others have already mentioned, the Illyrian coast.

After looking at the Wiki for HatG, the map is actually less objectionable than I first thought. They include the Celts directly north of Rome, which I had heard elsewhere was supposedly not included.

The omission of the rest of Greece is fine with me. If you were to include all of Greece, then you'd really also have to include the areas neighboring Greece as well, and I think it'd get to be pretty unfocused. Hence, even though Macedon was involved, I think it's a good design choice to not include them, as it would start to get out of control as to what provinces would need to be included to make the map feel balanced and focused.

But the Illyrian coast, north of Greece proper, might have been good to include, just to round out the northern border of the map.

I imagine the Illyrian coast was omitted simply because the focus of the campaign is in the west. They could've added a west, but it'd mostly just benefit Rome who starts right next to it. Potentially Syracuse as well.
Focusing on just the stuff west of Rome, gives every faction an equal shot in competing over it reasonably without needing to march/sail through/around Roman territory first.

[Octavius Vatco]

The part of the Alps that Hannibal actually crossed.

[Ishan]

3 posts moderated, 2 of them got deleted. Lets keep this on-topic. Topic is about HATG campaign map, what it is, what it could've been and so on & nothing else outside of it.

PS: I added the actual HATG map in the opening post to foster this discussion both in gameplay and historical sense in a constructive direction. Credit for this goes to Dago Red. +rep to him.

[DarrenTotalWar]

Seems similar in size to CIG to me.

[AnonMilwaukean]

I imagine the Illyrian coast was omitted simply because the focus of the campaign is in the west. They could've added a west, but it'd mostly just benefit Rome who starts right next to it. Potentially Syracuse as well.
Focusing on just the stuff west of Rome, gives every faction an equal shot in competing over it reasonably without needing to march/sail through/around Roman territory first.

That's a fair analysis.

Without adding the whole of Greece and allowing Rome's enemies to come over-land to Illyria from the other direction, I think it would be exactly as you say: an unfair advantage to Rome. And like in my first post, if you start adding the whole of Greece, well, then the map gets just unfocused.

[Kinjo]

Anybody else see something lacking in this map?

Illyria for sure, they were there causing trouble during the Punic war.

[alQamar]

I've done some examining of the map and I feel a little disappointed. I mean Caesar in Gaul's map was very large and focused. Instead I see that this game will have very large provinces kind of spread out over an ocean and I feel a little disappointed. I think there should've been some Illyria, a little more of Gaul and African and maybe parts of Greece.

Anybody else see something lacking in this map?

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Perhaps more cities in each province and all of them fortified?

[zznɟ ǝɥʇ]

Looks good, but I do wish Sicily had some more settlements.

[kerrfox]

Actually .... "no" .... I'm good.

[Jokern]

Perhaps more cities in each province and all of them fortified?

I don't agree with the notion that all of the settlements need to have fortifications, as it was one of the things I didn't like about Shogun 2. Too many walls makes it a bore.

[stevehoos]

I don't agree with the notion that all of the settlements need to have fortifications, as it was one of the things I didn't like about Shogun 2. Too many walls makes it a bore.

Yea, let us not give Jerusalem walls, I hate being bored.