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    This beautiful ship is the Aemilia, standard of the Dutch fleet. Although he is quite previous to the age of the Empire (about 1639), if CA they do well , our nations should to have constructed ships of 20 or 30 years before the beginning of the game, and its aspect it would not even be very different from the Aemilia that you see here. It is seen that it is a precious ship, hopefully left like these in the Empire.

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    Finally someone with an eye for beauty, I almost started thinking i was the only one who noticed this..
    I absolutely agree, those earlier ships were so much prettier






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    @ corey 4045 , I don't think those ships on the left picture you posted are pre 1700, they don't look like it, also the flags don't seem right for that time..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoram777 View Post
    @ corey 4045 , I don't think those ships on the left picture you posted are pre 1700, they don't look like it, also the flags don't seem right for that time..
    The ship of the left is later to 1700, will surely be the end of the 18thcentury.
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    Speaking of pre 1700 ships, the Batavia Werf (Batavia Yard) is building a full scale 100% seaworthy replica of the Ship of the line De Zeven Provincien (The Seven Provinces).
    Several Dutch navy ships have been named De Zeven Provincien, this is the one from 1665-1694.

    The original took part in a lot of important battles and also played a role in the Raid on the Medway.
    Between 1666-1674 it was the flagship of Admiral Michiel de Ruyter one of the most famous admirals in Dutch history.

    De Zeven Provincien, under construction (expected to be completed in 2015):


    Miniture replica and a painting (sorry for the low resolution) giving an idea of what the ship will look like:



    The Batavia yard also build a seaworthy replica of the much smaller but also 17th century ship De Batavia which was finished in 1995.
    The original ship struck a reef just off the Western Australian coast in 1629.
    Of the 341 aboard, most of the passengers and crew managed to get ashore although 40 people drowned.




    I can't wait for their new ship to be finished, and for it to start sailing, it's going to be a beauty and seaworthy replicas of large 17th century ships are very rare.
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    Hahaha, it shows that you like boats of the Dutch Republic, and navigation in general. Thank you for the pictures and information.
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    Dutch Republic for the win , our golden age. And that part of recreating Dutch ships, seems really interesting . (Can't wait to see it finished )

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    I hope they'll put the Zeven Provinciën on display in one of the larger cities that had a connection with the ship. I've been to the Bataviawharf near Lelystad and I felt that for some reason the Batavia didn't belong in the middle of nowhere (no offense to those who live in Flevoland, but let's face it; it is the middle of nowhere)..

    As an Amsterdammer it's a little hard for me to say, but maybe it should be moved to Rotterdam after its completion.. After all, that's where it was built originally..



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    they may be pretty but think of the added MBs and the lag it will cause just to show that Lion seal has claws.

    (Its clickable by the way....An S2 overhaul mod.)

    Seriously. Click it. Its the only overhaul mod that's overhauling enough to bring out NEW clans
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    I don't care! I'll take the lag and love it if those ships would ever make an appearance in-game..

    I do think it'll be difficult to add new ships in-game though.. Modelling a ship is a pretty big step up from moddeling a few soldiers.. Hopefully the Creative Assembly guys will decide to take the timeline a bit back in the expansion pack for Empire:TW, so that we can explore the globe and build late 16th and 17th century ships..



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    The Pepper Wreck, presumed to be the Indiaman Nossa Senhora dos Mártires, lost in 1606 at the mouth of the Tagus River, near Lisbon, is the only Portuguese Indiaman ever to be fully excavated by archaeologists.
    .."We know almost nothing about the sailing capabilities of most post-medieval ships, both merchantmen and warships.Some scholars have carefully studied the naval diaries of the early 15th century Portuguese India Route to assess the sailing capabilities of these ships; a few have built full-scale replicas...however it is difficult to understand stability and sailing performances from comtemporary accounts and drawings, and full-scale replicas are very expensive, not durable, and cannot be tested for the worse weather conditions without risking accidents or endanger the life of the crews. A group of researchers from the Nautical Archeology Program of the Department of Anthropology at Texas A&M University,and the Unit of Marine Technology at IST, Technical University of Lisbon, are trying to establish a methodology for the testing and evauation of the sailing abilities...They size, complexity, and constantly evolving shape and rigging make these ships one of the most exciting mysteries of the history of shipbuilding."
    The Pepper Wreck Project:Reconstructing a Portuguese India Nau.

    The reconstructed Pepper Wreck test

    AudreyWells´s Virtual model:

    virtual model


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    Anyone interested in pre-1700 ships should visit the Wasa museum in Stockholm, Sweden. The ship that sunk in 1628 and that was recovered and restored over 330 years later is on display with lots of artefacts and info. Very interesting indeed.
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    Yepp...Here is the Ship



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    Kronan, first used in 1672, sunk 1676 by its own admiral, Lorentz Creutz who made a huge mistake and sunk it before it engaged in combat at the battle of Öland, the danes must have been quite surprised to see the flagship of the enemy navy explode a few hundred meters from them.





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    Don't forget this pic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghillie View Post
    Anyone interested in pre-1700 ships should visit the Wasa museum in Stockholm, Sweden. The ship that sunk in 1628 and that was recovered and restored over 330 years later is on display with lots of artefacts and info. Very interesting indeed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Von Döbeln View Post
    Yepp...Here is the Ship
    Vasa was a Swedish build warship that was built from 1626 to 1628. (The Swedish navy also purchased ships from Holland btw )
    The ship sank after sailing less than a nautical mile (ca 2 km) into her maiden voyage on August 10, 1628.

    Vasa was built top-heavy with insufficient ballast. Despite an obvious lack of stability in port, she was allowed to set sail and foundered a few minutes later when she first encountered a wind stronger than a breeze.

    Anyway at least the result was a very very nice museum ship nearly 400 years later

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Von Döbeln View Post
    Don't forget this pic!

    Ehm... That's the L'Orient exploding in 1798.. not exactly pre 1700 eh?
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    Opps...Provided the wrong link

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    I saw a documentary of Kronan some 1 or 2 years ago on Swedish television, they found out that the crew inside Kronan had killed eachother brutally in the desperation of getting out, some guy had even tried to chop his own arm of because he probably was stuck, still only 40 out of 800 survived the explosion.

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    Nuestra Senora de la Santissima Trinidad , 140 guns, first rate ship of the line :
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