Ireland's place.

[EireEmerald]

do you think CA will give more attention to Irish units in this game?

I know a very large segment of the British army was irish at this time as well as the french.

 

[Elyrioth]

I imagine that there will be very few regiments named outside of Guards and Special forces equivalents, end of the day a line regiment is a line regiment irrespective of where it is recruited. I imagine that there may be a SF or something but I wouldn't hold my breath.

I would be more interested if Ireland will be imergant surely it will

 

[EireEmerald]

I imagine that there will be very few regiments named outside of Guards and Special forces equivalents, end of the day a line regiment is a line regiment irrespective of where it is recruited. I imagine that there may be a SF or something but I wouldn't hold my breath.

I would be more interested if Ireland will be imergant surely it will

Exactly. It is in the time scope of the rebellions of 1798 and 1848.

 

[Jihada]

The French made two attempts to invade Ireland in 1796 and 1798 and thought Wolfe Tone would be able to raise a general rebellion.The first failed when the French fleet was driven back by the weather and the second was a fiasco.In the game there should be a chance of a French landing in force,at least before the British destroy French naval power.I don't think a rebellion could succeed without French help.

 

[T.C.]

Perhaps it could play into the acheivements list:hmm
(there was mention of rewards for doind things Boney didnt manage)

 

[King Edward III]

The Irish have had plenty of attention already. Just look at the Irish units in the French and Spanish armies.

 

[Ebusitanus]

There were still Irish, Swiss and Waloon units in the Spanish army for N:TW

 

[Relic]

I'm from Northern Ireland, so this would be kinda cool.

But did we have any specialized units back then?

 

[EireEmerald]

I'm from Northern Ireland, so this would be kinda cool.

But did we have an specialized units back then?

We had a good few, the Connaught Rangers I think were the most famous. I heard somone say once that 2/3s of the British army was irish in Waterloo including Wellington

 

[nigelnire]

We had a good few, the Connaught Rangers I think were the most famous. I heard somone say once that 2/3s of the British army was irish in Waterloo including Wellington

Yeah Eire_Emerald Wellington was born in Dublin and most of his army was from Ireland. The Connaught Rangers should be in it and also the Inniskillings. Wellington praised the Inniskillings for saving the center of the British line at Waterloo.


http://www.royalirishrangers.co.uk/ennis.html

 

[EireEmerald]

Yeah Eire_Emerald Wellington was born in Dublin and most of his army was from Ireland. The Connaught Rangers should be in it and also the Inniskillings. Wellington praised the Inniskillings for saving the center of the British line at Waterloo.


http://www.royalirishrangers.co.uk/ennis.html

brilliant! some relative of mine was in the Connaughts and then went on to take part in the Irish rebellion of 1848

 

[nigelnire]

We know these things about the Irish regiments Eire_Emerald but the question is does CA ?

 

[REQUIEM]

Yer Eire i hope they do inculde irish and also welsh units into the british army!! It is only fair and i'm an englishman. XD

 

[Comrade_Rory]

as a proud half irish/half scottish, i feel that Empire lacked in the area of Scottish and Irish, because the 18th century was the correct time for the Jacobite rebellions.
They really should make up for it in Napoleon in my opinion!

 

[NaturalBornLover]

I don't want to see development time wasted on creating specialized troops from a country as small and insignificant to the era as Ireland.

 

[EireEmerald]

I don't want to see development time wasted on creating specialized troops from a country as small and insignificant to the era as Ireland.

Despite the fact a very very large proportion of the British army was Irish at this time and throughout the 1800s? On the contrary, I think they should spend time on these units, as well as Welsh and Scottish units.

"it was estimated that by 1860 some two thirds of the British Army including the English country regiments was constituted by Irishmen or their descendants. A Quarter of a million Irishmen would die the 1st World War when the 3 Irish Divisions were created, being the 10th, 16th and 36th Divisions. In the Second World War, the 38th Irish Brigade was formed. Irish Regiments were formed in the Armies of South Africa, Canada and Australia."

 

[emperorpenguin]

I heard somone say once that 2/3s of the British army was irish in Waterloo including Wellington

Wellington was born in Dublin and most of his army was from Ireland.

Sorry but you are both wrong. The Irish numbers in the British army amounted to about one third, not two thirds and not most. http://napoleonistyka.atspace.com/foreigners_British_army.htm

Irishmen generally made up between 20 % and 40 % of the infantry that Wellington marshaled at Waterloo.

It should also be pointed out that a) before the repeal of the laws allowing catholics to serve (1793) that this was obviously not the case, which means none of those Irish units in use during the majority of the time period in question!
b) many of those Irishmen served in English regiments. The Irish regiments were line regiments, there was nothing special about them.

 

[NaturalBornLover]

Despite the fact a very very large proportion of the British army was Irish at this time and throughout the 1800s? On the contrary, I think they should spend time on these units, as well as Welsh and Scottish units.

"it was estimated that by 1860 some two thirds of the British Army including the English country regiments was constituted by Irishmen or their descendants. A Quarter of a million Irishmen would die the 1st World War when the 3 Irish Divisions were created, being the 10th, 16th and 36th Divisions. In the Second World War, the 38th Irish Brigade was formed. Irish Regiments were formed in the Armies of South Africa, Canada and Australia."

I'm sorry, but Ireland has never been a major faction in any era, I don't know where you are pulling these facts but they are most certainly false and fabricated by Irish nationalists. The very last nation CA should be paying attention to is Ireland. I understand you want your nation to be represented but it simply didn't do enough to warrant any special attention.

Development of the smaller German factions would be a much better use of CAs time.

 

[EireEmerald]

Sorry but you are both wrong. The Irish numbers in the British army amounted to about one third, not two thirds and not most. http://napoleonistyka.atspace.com/foreigners_British_army.htm

It should also be pointed out that a) before the repeal of the laws allowing catholics to serve (1791) that this was obviously not the case, which means none of those Irish units in use during the majority of the time period in question!
b) many of those Irishmen served in English regiments. The Irish regiments were line regiments, there was nothing special about them.

Many of Wellington's British troops were Irish, the 1st Battalion, The 27th (Inniskilling) Regiment of Foot, the oldest antecedent Regiment of today's Royal Irish Regiment, was amongst those who fought with great distinction at Waterloo, and the Regiments losses were amongst the heaviest in the Allied force. By the end of the day, of the fifteen officers present, fourteen had become casualties and no less than 478 men out of a strength of 698, had been killed or wounded. But the 1st/27th yielded not an inch.

Because of the courage of its officers and men, the Inniskillings earned the praise of the Iron Duke,

"They saved the centre of my line,"
Proclaimed Wellington.​

A French general later commented that he had,
"Never seen bravery to equal the stubborn bravery of the Regiment with castles"
The Iniskillings cap badge was a castle


http://www.doyle.com.au/irish_soldiers_of_the_british_ar.htm

 

[emperorpenguin]

Sorry Eire_Emerald but if there is a point to that post (none of which is incorrect) I fail to see it....

Are you trying to dispute my post?

 

[Sharpe's Company]

The Iniskillings are Ulster-Scots.


I indeed hope that the Connaught Rangers will make their way into the game, and also the Welsh Fusiliers, but then, thats two more unique units for Great Britain.

Can we really justify adding anymore at this stage?

 

[EireEmerald]

Sorry Eire_Emerald but if there is a point to that post (none of which is incorrect) I fail to see it....

Are you trying to dispute my post?

I wanted you to examine the validity of the info on this page.



http://www.doyle.com.au/irish_soldiers_of_the_british_ar.htm

The Iniskillings are Ulster-Scots.


I indeed hope that the Connaught Rangers will make their way into the game, and also the Welsh Fusiliers, but then, thats two more unique units for Great Britain.

Can we really justify adding anymore at this stage?

I think at least those regiments deserve more regognition in this game.

 

[A1_Unit]

Irish troops are needed in-game.

 

[emperorpenguin]

Well you should have said so and included the link...

No catholic irish served before 1793. Simply were not allowed, hence all the Wild Geese of France and Spain.
There were protestant Irish serving.

I'd rather see kilted Scots regiments, after all Irish line (and Welsh) were indistinguishable from English

 

[EireEmerald]

Well you should have said so and included the link...

No catholic irish served before 1793. Simply were not allowed, hence all the Wild Geese of France and Spain.
There were protestant Irish serving.

I'd rather see kilted Scots regiments, after all Irish line (and Welsh) were indistinguishable from English

I knew that. That's the sole reason most of the Irish rebels ( the men who " wore the green " ) used pikes as their only weapon. They were not allowed to posess any firearms and thus not allowed to join the British army, but that wouldn't have stopped some lads joining up, I;m sure the British army weren't that strict on the rules when they needed new recruits.

This and the Union possessed the greatest Irish Regiments in History IMO


" other men go into fights finely, sternly and indifferently, but the only man that really loves it, after all, is the green immortal irishman. So there the brave lads from the old sod, with the chosen Meaghar at their head. laughed and fought, and joked as if it were the finest fun in the world."

"Upon my honour, I never witnessed a more gallant charge than that just now made by your regiment."

"the most Irish of all Irish regiments" (Oman) and in Grattan's own words were "a parcel of lads that took the world aisy" and "without shoes they fancied themselves at home, without food they were nearly at home."

"As solldiers they exhibited a zeal for combat, obediance to battlefield orders, a steadiness in the face of fire, a cool indifference to death that was sometimes unnerving to other soldiers around them and an incredible endurance on the march. In camp few appeared on sick call and most maintained excellent health in spite of unsanitary conditions that quickly struck other troops with sickness." Russ A Pritchard Jr.

 

[emperorpenguin]

I knew that. That's the sole reason most of the Irish rebels ( the men who " wore the green " ) used pikes as their only weapon. They were not allowed to posess any firearms and thus not allowed to join the British army, but that wouldn't have stopped some lads joining up, I;m sure the British army weren't that strict on the rules when they needed new recruits..

They were pretty bloody strict given it being ILLEGAL.

Pikes were also used given how cheap and (through agriculture) easy to procure. Hence why British, Prussian and Russian militia carried them.

 

[T.C.]

Personnaly I think its going a bit far to hope for localised units (Connaught Rangers etc). There will be a few variations of line infantry at most, and after that it will be up to modders to diversify.
I also think (as an Irishman) that Ireland deserves little more attention than any other region in Europe, especially considering the time period.

 

[Stavroforos]

Republican France didn't have many Irish units, as most stayed loyal to tyranny at the time.

 

[EireEmerald]

Republican France didn't have many Irish units, as most stayed loyal to tyranny at the time.

There was still a lot of Irish over there. Many Irish Catholics that came to power in the 1800s had to go to france to get an education like Daniel O Connel. So I'd say there were quite a few over there. And the Feanch made two attempts at reinforcing Ireland's rebels in the 1790s.

 

[Astaroth]

Please stay on topic, everyone. This topic is about Ireland's role in NTW, it isn't a "where are you from" thread. Furthermore, please note that insults will not be tolerated. Thank you.