Strategic Vision of TWC

[Jake Armitage]

that's completely false and childish, anthonius
modders use other platforms for completely different (practical, non theoretical) reasons

[Muizer]

To those that said that they visited TWC for a reason other than the TW games mods i ahev a question.
Why TWC?

Back then? Because it was pointed out to me that TWC was a better place to meet other players than the official forums.

There are thousands of internet sites for politics , defence/military, religion etc. Why TWC should spent resources for non modding issues?

The reason TWC has a community and official forums don't is exactly that, even though a game brings you together, you can also discuss other interests.

Why modders should engage in to politics and not focus in mods?

They don't have to. But equally you should stop pretending that TWC is a modding forum being ruined by other activities. The growth of the TW franchise and modding certainly fueled TWC's growth, but it was from the start and by design a place to discuss a wide variety of topics. In fact, originally, political, philosophical, ethical etc. debate were valued higher than anything to do with gaming as evidenced by the founding of the Curia and citizen ranks.

And you intrefear to non modding and focussing in non modding aspects in this forums are one of the primary cause that visitors stoped visiting TWC and so adds became less and less over time. Actually you KILLED TWC by removing its goal from modding to something that is not relevant to that.

I don't recall any decisions or actions to move TWC's focus away from modding. Those other aspects were always here. Modding first grew to surpass them and now it's again passing them ..... on the way back down.

[Akar]

I think things have wandered into off topic territory, let's try to stay on topic.

[ggggtotalwarrior]

I’d say the thing that killed TWC wasn’t people who came here for subjects/the community beyond strictly TW related modding but the people who insisted that was all TWC could be while refusing to adapt when it became obvious vBulletin-based forums were never going to remain the main format for such interests post-discord/Steam Workshop, personally.

Blaming others and lashing out at them for acknowledging the reality of the situation is merely childish

[MCM]

Based on reading recommendations ( thank you all who suggested threads) I caught up on GED’s posts regarding tech issues and the overall state of the site.


I found this quote of GED key-


“So, add all that up and the bottom line is that ANY forum structure is going to work in a similar fashion. Some might be better at it than others, but you won't know that for certain until you spend some $ and actually convert. In my opinion, the forum structure is not sustainable the way we currently do things. On any platform.”




So the overall bulk of the site( and related tech issues) is probably going to be a major part of any discussion going forward with him.

[Sir Adrian]

I’d say the thing that killed TWC wasn’t people who came here for subjects/the community beyond strictly TW related modding but the people who insisted that was all TWC could be while refusing to adapt when it became obvious vBulletin-based forums were never going to remain the main format for such interests post-discord/Steam Workshop, personally.

Blaming others and lashing out at them for acknowledging the reality of the situation is merely childish

This. TWC died the day the Steam workshop became a thing and site leadership said, nah we ok this place is THE modder hub. Then most talented modders left and never looked back and lo and behold the site was directionless.


The (mostly undeserved) reputation as a place for crybabies and modding elitists, which was allowed to grow off-site particularly on reddit and the official forums, didn't help either.

[The Noble Lord]

The fact that TWC is still alive is a testament to some pretty strong foundations.

That is correct my friend! We do have a strong foundation and we have a capacity to build upon.
You are also right about the new technologies constantly coming up and that's fine, we also have to come up with them.

I also wish we can go back to glory days of the TWC, for me personally that was 2008-2012 which was the gloruous time to be here.
It was after the glories of M2TWand Kingdoms and all their mods plus other RTW mods. It's true that ETW disrupted things a bit.

But I do wonder, does anyone have specific date or period when the TWC started having less and less visitors and members who
would post. I remember that I used to make 100+ posts per night back then.

[Sir Adrian]

It started gradually and there is no fixed point where you can say "yeah, this is where people left" but if I was to pick a moment in time I would say 2015 when GED left the site on a semi-permanent basis. It's when staff entered a kind of malaise it never recovered from, it's when moderation started to degrade, it;s when activity started to drop with even greater speed.

Before that, the site still felt like it had some kind of vitality to it. After that it felt drained.

[AnthoniusII]

It started gradually and there is no fixed point where you can say "yeah, this is where people left" but if I was to pick a moment in time I would say 2015 when GED left the site on a semi-permanent basis. It's when staff entered a kind of malaise it never recovered from, it's when moderation started to degrade, it;s when activity started to drop with even greater speed.

Before that, the site still felt like it had some kind of vitality to it. After that it felt drained.

TWC reached its high peak when Garb bought it ...His ownership was the GOLDEN AGE OF MODDING and DEBATING. After he sold it to GED TWC STARTED TO DECLINE.

[Dismounted Feudal Knight]

TWC reached its high peak when Garb bought it ...His ownership was the GOLDEN AGE OF MODDING and DEBATING. After he sold it to GED TWC STARTED TO DECLINE.

In the spirit of ideas, are there specific elements of Garb's time you would want to see return?

[Sir Adrian]

You not being on the forum

[Flinn]

Or having Garb back

[AnthoniusII]

In the spirit of ideas, are there specific elements of Garb's time you would want to see return?

Now is too late. GED's 1st action was to "exile" many worthy Greek modders that has many mods in the progress.

You not being on the forum

What do you mean? I was here when Garb still had the TWC. In fact he and other Greek members made a fundraiser to help me buy this PC i use for almist 16 years now.

Or having Garb back

Seriusly you would not like that option. Garb would not tolerate many ironic post of yours that you write simply because you think you have no one to control your manners over other members.
Beware what you wsih though.

[Flinn]

We are drifting again toward personal stuff, what about we stay on topic? Thanks

@ Anthonious: I answered to you in the Townhall,

[Sir Adrian]

What do you mean? I was here when Garb still had the TWC. In fact he and other Greek members made a fundraiser to help me buy this PC i use for almist 16 years now.

I was talking to Feudal Knight and it was a joke, notice the . The always means it's a joke.

[Dismounted Feudal Knight]

I was talking to Feudal Knight and it was a joke, notice the . The always means it's a joke.

No.

but, yes