If American foreign policy is destructive, why hasn't the world stopped it?

[Ashton2434]

I keep coming across how American foreign policy has killed tens of millions of people and has destroyed countless countries all for the sake of American interest.

So if it is destructive why hasn't humanity put a side our difference, united under one single banner, and stopped this American foreign policy?

The West is trying to stop Russia from invading Ukraine but nobody stopped America from invading Iraq?

[Hazzard]

The problem with your questions are that they come with a lot of unstated assumptions, like:

American Foreign Policy should be stopped.
Foriegn Policy is killing tens of millions of people
It is happening for the American Interest
The American Interest is bad
Humanity can unite under a singe banner
Anyone can stop American foreign policy.

American foreign policy has killed a lot of people over the last few decades. That's because of the wars. Lots of people die under any foreign policy that starts a war. And war is a tool used by every country when they find it helpful.
Since WW2 we've not had a world-spanning war which affects everywhere on Earth. This is partially because every nation on earth is now somewhat involved with. America just has disproportionate pull because it's the most powerful country. Every time a power rises it affects everyone around them, but the more powerful they are, everyone around covers more of the planet.

The whole world is an inter-connected system and if America retreats from being the biggest power, the gap will be filled, either by two competing powers or another big one. This would likely be China, but I may be wrong about this. America's foreign policy isn't great, but I think by and large its run by people believing they're doing the right thing. With profiteers along for the ride, but guided by good games. But foreign policy is messy. There isn't a best option, only a least option. Which is why foreign policy kills thousands, but is trying to do good things. The issue with it, if you feel aligned with the West as a whole, isn't that American foreign policy is opposed to my own, it's just being run badly.

[conon394]

I keep coming across how American foreign policy has killed tens of millions of people and has destroyed countless countries all for the sake of American interest.

Err the policies of all great powers have killed lots of people.

So if it is destructive why hasn't humanity put a side our difference, united under one single banner, and stopped this American foreign policy?

Likely because those differences are often rather deep and lot people don't have differences with the US.

The West is trying to stop Russia from invading Ukraine but nobody stopped America from invading Iraq?

Well the US was not in fact threatening to make it state number 51 ('Greater Babylon' or something)


In any case this pointless given you have posted:

Europa restored to the glory days of ruling the world

You know there are lot First Nations people dead by Europe's hands who have no decedents by million bucket load about those days of glory seeing as their ancestors blood and bodies help built that glory. Also Africa and India and China might have objections as well. The US might be founded on slavery but that was after all a gift from glorious Europe...

[Basilius]

Two answers to this question:

1.) The US is either formally allied or on friendly with some 40+ countries, especially on military, economic, or cultural matters. America's backing of the rules-based international order, and security guarantees in Europe and the Asian Pacific, are generally seen to stabilize international affairs, not destabilize them. For these reasons, very few countries would agree with your premise.

2.) The US has staggering military might. If the entire world declared war on the US, the US would still win, without nuclear weapons. With nuclear weapons, the entire world (including the US) would be destroyed due to Russia's arsenal.

[antaeus]

These threads really need some sort of quote or article link to start the discussion.

"I keep coming across how American foreign policy has killed tens of millions of people and has destroyed countless countries all for the sake of American interest."

- Where have you read this? How do we know it is a trustworthy opinion? What is the motivation behind it?

"So if it is destructive why hasn't humanity put a side our difference, united under one single banner, and stopped this American foreign policy?"

- You haven't established if the US is destructive.

"The West is trying to stop Russia from invading Ukraine but nobody stopped America from invading Iraq?"

Two things:
- "The West" has a range of opinions on Russia's troop build up near the Ukraine border. Some are openly hostile, others are measured - all depending on individual relations and dependencies with Russia or Ukraine. None are trying to stop an invasion, because an invasion hasn't occurred, and may never occur. Rather, some leaders are trying to dissuade Putin from invading by discussing a range of punitive sanctions in response. But realistically, no "Western" nation is prepared to use military action to prevent an invasion. The consequences for Putin are such that they probably don't have to.
- The US invasion of Iraq did put its alliances at risk, and was heavily criticised by many friendly nations. But nobody is going to declare war on the US to defend a tin-pot dictator like Saddam Hussain. That isn't even a reason to test relations with the US, let alone break them. So the comparison's premise is flawed.

There is some good discussion to be had around US hegemony, but the OP just hasn't done enough to preface the discussion.

[Heathen Hammer]

I keep coming across how American foreign policy has killed tens of millions of people and has destroyed countless countries all for the sake of American interest.

I think its globalism overall and not just America. Bush had eager little helpers from UK and Europe. Its Western elites overall that are gross and deplorable hives of scum and villainy.

So if it is destructive why hasn't humanity put a side our difference, united under one single banner, and stopped this American foreign policy?

Because American elites themselves are greedy and self-destructive and are half-way there at this task.

The West is trying to stop Russia from invading Ukraine but nobody stopped America from invading Iraq?

Saddam threatened to ditch petrodollar, Ukraine has not.

[conon394]

Saddam threatened to ditch petrodolla

And that would have cost the US nothing at all. Try a better fantasy. I mean like the US wanted a permanent colony or something. But really the absolutely not a thing that is the Petro Dollar.

[Heathen Hammer]

And that would have cost the US nothing at all. Try a better fantasy.

Wrong:

The US and its banks made the most of the oil-for-greenback system right up to the early 2000s. But after that, the tide slowly and steadily started to turn. In an apt reminder of Bob Dylan’s timeless classic, The Times They Are A-Changin’, a small but significant rebellion began brewing against the monopoly of the dollar.The Euro, Europe’s common currency, was already in circulation by then and the Chinese yuan was steadily gaining ground. After years of monopolistic dominance, the US currency was no longer the pet favourite of the Big Oil producers as it had been from the mid-1970s to the early 2000s.
Headed by the militarily-authoritative leader, Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi government was the first country to put its hand up against the dollars-only arrangement.

Soon after, Iraq, a country with a decently healthy economy and at the time a primarily a socialist nation, was crippled by the onset of brutal, US-instigated economic sanctions. The debilitating sanctions were followed by America’s urge to invade Iraq in a bid to remove Saddam from power. In 2003, Iraq was famously invaded for its never-to-be-proven connections to the 9/11 terrorist strikes in the US and the never-to-be-found stockpiles of WMDs, as vehemently and wrongfully claimed by British Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President George Bush.
Saddam was eliminated and his endgame advertised via the mainstream press as a chilling warning to other oil-producing countries. It is very important to remember here that Saddam was once viewed by Washington DC as a staunch ally.
It is also interesting to note that since the fall of Iraq, the country’s new administration has been trading its crude oil only for dollars — a fact not highlighted by the corporate media houses. The toppling of Saddam and his Ba’ath Party ensured that plans to contest the petrodollar set-up in Iraq were shelved.

https://medium.com/@DeepStateDossier...a-974f0099e82e

[conon394]

Really that best you got. Again if tomorrow the world decided to price oil in its own currency. The US would not even notice. If did in Yuan or the Euro it would be and cool us exports would cheaper but you can bet Germany and China would really unhappy.

Citing a fever dream of conspiracy without any actual statistics is not impressing me.

Here do the math there about 60 millions barrels of oil traded on the market per day now do the calculations and compare that to the size of the US economy and its scale of imports and exports in aggregate every day. Next ask what other currency do want hold as a reserve? Again Pretty sure Germany with its export economy way does not want to see start using the Euro. Maybe the Swedish or Swiss or Polish currencies um their economies are to small and they would not happy for the demand. Argentina have fun with that... oh wait the Yuan hey know again good deal for the US bad one for china.

or for example explain the following in petro dollar fantasy land thing the currency reserves of the Swiss central bank

https://www.snb.ch/en/iabout/assets/id/assets_reserves

[Heathen Hammer]

Really that best you got. Again if tomorrow the world decided to price oil in its own currency. The US would not even notice. If did in Yuan or the Euro it would be and cool us exports would cheaper but you can bet Germany and China would really unhappy.

Citing a fever dream of conspiracy without any actual statistics is not impressing me.

Here do the math there about 60 millions barrels of oil traded on the market per day now do the calculations and compare that to the size of the US economy and its scale of imports and exports in aggregate every day. Next ask what other currency do want hold as a reserve? Again Pretty sure Germany with its export economy way does not want to see start using the Euro. Maybe the Swedish or Swiss or Polish currencies um their economies are to small and they would not happy for the demand. Argentina have fun with that... oh wait the Yuan hey know again good deal for the US bad one for china.

or for example explain the following in petro dollar fantasy land thing the currency reserves of the Swiss central bank

https://www.snb.ch/en/iabout/assets/id/assets_reserves

Also wrong:

In 2001, Iraq switched from the petrodollar and began selling their oil in Euro's. Soon after, sanctions were placed on them followed by an invasion with massive destruction to their infrastructure. The Bush administration galvanized support for the invasion with lies about supposed WMD's that Saddam was going to use on either his own people or Israel.

This came a little more than a decade after the US assisted Saddam with chemical weapons and sophisticated military equipment as well as strategic supports so he could fight Iran.
Libya and the Golden Dinar

In 1996 and 2000 the leader of the oil rich Libya, Muhammar Gaddafi, had initially indicated the idea of a gold backed African currency. He found there to be many African and Muslim nations interested in the idea.
He began amassing large amounts of gold and silver, to the tune of 144 tons of gold and a similar amount of silver. That is half of what the UK possesses in gold, but Libya has 1/10th the population of the UK, so it was quite substantial.
In 2009, Muhammar Gaddafi was the president of the African Union. He proposed the African states shift to a new Golden Dinar that was actually made from physical gold. Many of these interested nations were using the French franc (CFA) circulating as a prime African currency.
A leaked Hillary Clinton email showed this to be a serious issue for the french and how they were worried it would do a tremendous amount of harm to their economy. The US also felt threatened to loose the petrodollar in this oil rich region.
The prospect of sovereign control by a growing number of African and Muslim oil states would have been disastrous for Wall Street and London bankers.
It would have meant huge liquidity in the trillions of dollars they no longer controlled as well as potential hyper inflation for the US dollar who had just quintupled their money supply to pay for 2 major invasions (Iraq and Afghanistan) and to offset their losses from the 2008 recession.


The wealth of these African nations would have depended on how much gold they had, instead of how many US dollars they trade. The great fear was that Libya might lead North Africa into a high degree of economic independence with a new pan-African currency.
Gold would have flowed out from energy hungry customers in the west and into African and Middle Eastern nations. The US and its ally's could not allow that to happen.

Fearing a diminished influence by the western central banks, the French, UK and US then attacked Libya and utterly destroyed their infrastructure leaving them to be ravaged by years of terror from Al-Qaeda and other factions, with the guise of defending the helpless rebels who were opposed to such a brutal dictator.
Iran, Syria and Russia

Two countries have stopped selling their oil in petrodollars, Iran and Syria. Both had major sanctions placed on them with Syria being invaded by outside terrorist organizations supported, funded and trained by the US government.
This not to mention another country slammed with US sanctions, Russia, has begun trading some of its oil for the Russian Ruble instead of the US Petrodollar. Is there a wonder why Obama has been adamant to create a rift between his administration and Putin's?
If you've been following the establishment media reports, you might have thought it was because Obama has a heart for the people of Crimea or because Putin was fighting the terrorists in Syria or the so called "moderate rebels" as they like to call them, a claim proven to be false.
The Petrodollars Demise

If many of these oil countries or even OPEC itself stopped using the petrodollar, no one would need to hoard it anymore. These massive quantities of US dollars would be sent back to the Federal Reserve in exchange for whichever currency replaces it.
The value of the dollar would shrink dramatically and the Fed would be forced to take steps to shrink the money supply to stem massive inflation. The raising of the Federal Funds rate would mean that there would not be enough new loans created to pay off old loans.
This is necessary, because there is always more debt in the economy than there is money, because money is created with interest attached, from the very beginning we are all indebted to a small cartel that sits behind the federal reserve.
The defaulting of loans would lead to a chain reaction that would collapse the $700 Trillion derivatives market. In addition, the Fed wouldn't be able to mindlessly pump money into the economy anymore to fund their welfare/warfare state such as with their current policy of quantitative easing.

http://www.freemarketcapitalism.com/...he-petrodollar

Again, just because US failed to capitalize on its attempt to preserve petrodollar doesn't mean that it didn't make the attempt in the first place.

[conon394]

"In 2001, Iraq switched from the petrodollar and began selling their oil in Euro's. Soon after, sanctions were placed on them followed by an invasion with massive destruction to their infrastructure. The Bush administration galvanized support for the invasion with lies about supposed WMD's that Saddam was going to use on either his own people or Israel. This came a little more than a decade after the US assisted Saddam with chemical weapons and sophisticated military equipment as well as strategic supports so he could fight Iran.
Libya and the Golden Dinar"

So you are still posting drivel. U.N. Security Council adopted Resolution 661 was the basis for sanctions on Iraq and it was adopted in oh wait 1990...

Lets see now Iraq oil exports in 2001:

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicato...de-oil-exports

That would ~1500 barrels per day time an average ~26 dollars the year = something less 15 million dollars.

Oh god no

USA exports and Imports in 2001

https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryPr...r/2001/Summary

Sorry Iraq going to the Euro means nothing that animate any US action that year.

Look you could make an argument that A fair number of people around Bush jr had a whole basket full of motives for the invasion of Iraq. They thought the Clinton policy of just 'containment' was weak. They though Bush Senior should have rolled into Baghdad. They very likely thought they might be able to get a client state outside of OPEC and get a tool to moderate oil prices in perpetuity. And they had a AQ hand them on a platter a reason to make Americans to fear the that part of the world by getting fantastically lucky with their terror attack. None of that however makes the petro dollar myth any more real than the ancient aliens.

And Oh no Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam... err policy changes does it not be via election, the death of a king or dictator or the composition of an oligarchy really in an form of government of any state that have interests in general and very few real friends.. If the Shah had survived the coup and Saddam invaded Rumsfeld would shaking hands with Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.

[Heathen Hammer]

Um, did you reply to my post? I never said that resolution 661 was made after 1990, in fact I didn't even bring it up, so I have no clue what you are trying to "debunk" here.
I already pointed out that America failed to benefit from its attempt, so repeating same argument about America not benefitting from it doesn't really prove that it wasn't the key motivator, which the articles you failed to address explain.
American state propaganda drivel about WMDs has been debunked, no evidence for NATO propaganda drivel about Qaddafi's "crimes" that was cooked up by US governments and alphabet "journalists" to invade Libya has been proven either.
Then we have economic factors pointing at petrodollar explanation. And then there is you, saying "it didn't happen" without providing any evidence for your "debunking".

[conon394]

So the huge white quote in your post under quoting mine the second part without attribution that would post #10 is not supposed to be your point of view? Otherwise edit and I will accept I was mistaken in believing you were shilling the petro dollar myth.

[Heathen Hammer]

No, you simply didn't really address anything that I said nor did you address sources presented, you just posted a bunch of articles unrelated to Iraq war that simply state that US has large oil supplies like it has anything to do with petrodollar or why US kept going after nations that abandoned it. I mean maybe I didn't read you right and you weren't promoting myth that US wasn't motivated by petrodollar preservation and in that case I apologize.

[ggggtotalwarrior]

This guy's entire existence on here is to write "murica bad" bait lol

I'd be shocked if they weren't someone else's alt just having a fun time trolling

[Heathen Hammer]

America isn't bad, American ruling class is bad, and its not bad just for other nations but for America itself too, at least when you look at it strictly from fiscal perspective.

[razerbelkin]

I can only talk for Germany when I say: We are no souvereign nation. Our constitution, if you want to name our "basic law" that way, is written by the victors and the german people was never asked. Western germany the BRD (which is no legal replacement for the German Reich by the way) was forced by the americans to open and read the letters of west-german citizens, loooooong till after the war´s end. And not too long ago there was a scandal because the phone of Merkel was wiretapped by our american partners. Wiretapping the citizens wasn´t enough for the americans, the chancellor please too! The relay station for drone control of US drones in the Middle East and others is located in Ramstein.
Despite the obvious violation of international law, the west german government could not do anything about it. The russians left Germany and wanted to become friends, the americans still have nukes here threatening Russia.

We even can´t have our own gas pipeline Northstream II because America wants to hurt Russia. America not only liberated us from billions worth in patents, inventions and technology, we very much feel that liberation every single day. If you are a patriot that is. So, from my point of view, don´t count on the vassal-state Germany for your revolution. And what about the secret american Gitmo-like torture camps in Poland? Exclude that country from your list aswell.

[ggggtotalwarrior]

“Murica bad, Putin good guy”

[Lord Thesaurian]

I can only talk for Germany when I say: We are no souvereign nation. Our constitution, if you want to name our "basic law" that way, is written by the victors and the german people was never asked. Western germany the BRD (which is no legal replacement for the German Reich by the way) was forced by the americans to open and read the letters of west-german citizens, loooooong till after the war´s end. And not too long ago there was a scandal because the phone of Merkel was wiretapped by our american partners. Wiretapping the citizens wasn´t enough for the americans, the chancellor please too! The relay station for drone control of US drones in the Middle East and others is located in Ramstein.
Despite the obvious violation of international law, the west german government could not do anything about it. The russians left Germany and wanted to become friends, the americans still have nukes here threatening Russia.

We even can´t have our own gas pipeline Northstream II because America wants to hurt Russia. America not only liberated us from billions worth in patents, inventions and technology, we very much feel that liberation every single day. If you are a patriot that is. So, from my point of view, don´t count on the vassal-state Germany for your revolution. And what about the secret american Gitmo-like torture camps in Poland? Exclude that country from your list aswell.

I suppose we could have left all the Germans to the Soviets instead of some. European commentary is getting so uppity the last few years. Makes me wonder if we should have sometimes. European great powers destroyed themselves twice and failed their mission to civilize the world, leaving the task to us to make of it what we will. Vae victis.

[Heathen Hammer]

I suppose we could have left all the Germans to the Soviets instead of some. European commentary is getting so uppity the last few years. Makes me wonder if we should have sometimes. European great powers destroyed themselves twice and failed their mission to civilize the world, leaving the task to us to make of it what we will. Vae victis.

America is also destroying herself. So do Germany and Russia, symptoms are different, but disease is largely the same: having one's ruling class consist of cosmopolitan rich sociopaths that disregard interests of their own people as well as fiscal, political, environmental and cultural damage that their policies cause.