Unit Info from DOMOD group (Joseon Post 10/27/2014)
Hey all, a few days ago the Domod team released a faction preview on the Jurchens/Manchu from their Imjin War mod which will cover the actual Imjin War and the Manchu Invasions of China and Joseon years later. If uanime decides to implement the Manchu into later versions of the Morning Sun mod, perhaps some ideas and inspiration can be drawn from here.
The original material is here: http://domod.kupai.me/forum.php?mod=...extra=page%3D1
I will translate the names of the units and the unit descriptions.
Faction Intro
Strength: Troops recruited from the plains and from China are strong and synergize well.
Weakness: Starting territories are poor and have a difficult early game.
Faction Feature
Forging the Later Jin Dynasty - After conquering 9 settlements, the Jurchens can become an actual country/faction. Units from the 8 Banners will be unlocked and their economy will receive a great boost.
Note: While on wikipedia the Manchu Jin Dynasty is simply called "Jin Dynasty" whereas "Later Jin" refers to the 5 Dynasties and 10 Kingdoms period, in Chinese the Manchu Jin are called the Later Jin since the Jin Dynasty from the 13th century were basically Jurchen tribes who migrated and adopted Confucian Chinese customs.
Faction Units
Infantry
Jurchen Tribal Spearmen
Situated between the Chang Bai mountains and the Amur river, the Jurchens were always hard-pressed to find ways to fill their bellies. In the end, most find that joining the army is the best way to stay fed. Wearing no armor and armed with only a short spear, these men receive some training and are useful as a garrison force. The harsh environment in which they live in does yield natural-born warriors.
Nikan Banner Swordsmen/Han Banner Swordsmen
The Nikan Banner (or simply the Han Banner) was created by Hong Taiji (otherwise known as Abahai in Western literature) to incorporate Han Chinese into the Manchurian bannermen system which was organized along eight colors. The eight banners consisted of the Bordered Yellow, Plain Yellow, Plain White, Plain Red, Bordered White, Bordered Red, Plain Blue, and Bordered Blue banners. Together with the Manchurian Eight Banners and the Mongolian Eight Banners, these three supergroups formed the three armies of the Qing. These Han swordsmen form the backbone of the Qing army and are equipped with a large cutting sword, brigandine, and a strong shield.
Armored Spearmen
When the Jin united all the Jurchens, the newly-formed prefectures based their military power on that of these guardsmen. These armored spearmen formed about 40% of the Qing armies. In battle, 50 men were formed into a unit. The 20 soldiers in the front wore heavy armor, bracing with their spears. The 30 soldiers in the rear wore light armor and were equipped with bows. When the enemy is sighted, 2 men would ride out to assess the enemy. Afterwards, the formation would move within a hundred paces of the enemy and begin their volleys.
Death Squads (Literal translation, the Western equivalent would be Forlorn Hope)
When Nurhachi battled the Ming, he would use these intimidating, glaive-armed warriors in the first wave of the attack. Their purpose was to absorb the worst of the enemy's cannon and ranged attacks followed by a fierce charge to slaughter the enemy. These men are not unlike the heavy cataphracts faced by Yue Fei of the Southern Song when he did battle with the Jin. Indeed, these shock troops wear the heaviest steel armor available which covers even their face. Their mounts are similarly armored and each man is assigned two horses and it is possible that their armor has more than one layer. It is also rumored that the first Ming soldiers who surrendered or were captured were forced into these units.
Note: I'm not too sure why these guys are described as though they are cavalry when they're said to be infantry in the thread. Either the description still needs to be worked on or the unit icon is wrong or....I don't know.
Ranged Units
Jurchen Tribal Archers
As conflict escalates, the tribesmen of the Jurchens are commonly pressed into service. Jurchen archers are unarmored and fight with crude wooden bows. However, as they were raised in a hunter-gatherer environment their skill with the bow is much more dangerous than that of any typical Ming Chinese or Japanese trained archer!
Jurchen Armored Archers
In a formation of Qing infantry, at least 60% of them were lightly-armored archers. Their light brigandine allows for them to pursue, withdraw, and advance flexibly. They would dismount and take up positions behind the heavily-armored vanguard and provide covering fire with their bows. In melee, they use broadswords and longswords in conjunction with a round shield to support the melee troops.
Dismounted Bannermen Horse Archers
TBA
Baturu Warriors
A loanword derived from the Mongolian word "bayutur", meaning "brave", baturu is a title rewarded only to the bravest of soldiers in the Qing army. Equally dangerous both mounted and on foot, these elites are well-trained and are able to cover the skies with their arrows. All baturu are armed with sabers and composite bows.
Han Bannermen Gunners
As the Ming Chinese armies continued to surrender, Hong Taiji (otherwise known as Abahai in Western literature) created the Han Banners to incorporate Han Chinese into the Manchurian bannermen system which consisted of eight banners. The eight banners consisted of the Bordered Yellow, Plain Yellow, Plain White, Plain Red, Bordered White, Bordered Red, Plain Blue, and Bordered Blue banners. Together with the Manchurian Eight Banners and the Mongolian Eight Banners, these three supergroups formed the three armies of the Qing. These Han gunners are armed with Niao Chong (literally bird gun) matchlocks and serve as the main gunpowder unit of the Qing and greatly increased the Qing army's effectiveness.
Cavalry
Jurchen Mounted Tribesmen
"Jurchens do not number ten thousand, yet ten thousand [soldiers] are unbeatable." (implying that the Jurchens have so many men that it's impossible that all of them are Jurchens )The "Jurchens" at the end of the Ming Dynasty were actually coalitions and alliances of many different tribes that had settled down in the Northeast. As they were nomads their military consisted mainly of mounted tribals and all members of the tribe were technically soldiers although they still should avoid professional enemy cavalry and melee combat. Some of these men may actually be Mongolians hired to further boost the numbers of the Qing horse archers.
Bannermen Lancers
TBA
Bannermen Horse Archers
TBA
Bayara Guards
The Bayara were the elite cavalry of the early days of the Later Jin, though later on they were merely picked from the 10-man squads that formed the basis of the banner armies. The majority of the bayara were classified as bodyguards though a small proportion became part of the vanguards of the Qing army. By that time, the true elites were the White Bayara.
Imperial Banner Guards Brigade
During the Tiancong reign era of Hong Taiji, he established the Guards Brigade whose members were picked from the creme de la creme of Manchurian and Mongolian bannermen. It was organized into two wings, each its own leading officers, regimental commanders, and other ranks. They in turn answered to the imperial princes and court ministers. The brigade was largely independent and was responsible for its own recruitment, equipment, and training. During the Qing dynasty period, the emperors frequently inspected and patrolled their realms. The Guards Brigade was responsible for his safety.
Imperial Banner Vanguard Brigade
During the Tiancong reign era of Hong Taiji, he established the Vanguards Brigade whose members were picked from the elite of the Manchurian and Mongolian bannermen. It was organized into two wings, each its own leading officers, regimental commanders, and other ranks. They in turn answered to the imperial princes and court ministers. The brigade was largely independent and was responsible for its own recruitment, equipment, and training. During the Qing dynasty period, the emperors frequently inspected and patrolled their realms. The Vanguard Brigade would secure areas along the emperor's route in advance.
Valiant Riders Banner Horse Archers (though I suppose you can just call them Heavy Banner Horse Archers)
The Northeastern environment raised a ferocious breed of warrior. The Manchurians understood the importance of cavalry and they were not lacking in the amount of horsemen thanks to their alliance with the Mongols. Their horsemanship and archery are second to none since they need both to survive in their homeland!
Manchurian General's Bodyguard
TBA
Other
Han Bannermen Cannon
Nurhaci learned that no city or fortress should be attacked without cannon thanks to firsthand experience of the deadly power of Ming Army cannon. He recruited many ex-Ming cannon specialists into the ranks of his army as a result. His successor, Hong Taiji, also understood the importance of cannon and continued its development. In the 5th year of the Tiancong reign era (1631), the Qing succeeded in developing and producing their own smoothbore muzzle-loader cannon known as the Hongyi-po. Because Manchurians generally had a difficult time grasping the technique and concept of artillery usage, most cannon were manned by Han Chinese commanded by Manchurian officers. These artillery specialists are responsible for siege bombardment in the name of the Qing Empire.
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