If Hitler was assassinatd in 1944...

[Applesmack]

Would Post-war Europe be the exact same way it was after World War 2? Would the Soviets and Allies even accept the conditional (They would probably want some conditions, no?) surrender? How would the world be different?

[pchalk]

well it depends on who took over. just imagine if hitler got assassinated before that . ud have like a red alert thing going on

[hellheaven1987]

Well, the extremist of anti-Hitler elements might hope the war would end when Hitler was assassined, but the truth was no matter who took the government after the assassination, most German would still fight on... half heart of course (especially to Allies).

There would be no Battle of Berlin anyway; it probably would be proclaimed as an Open City.

[Arto]

They would still fight on because if they would surrender they would still be blame for the cause of WW2 and would have a super-dept that would take forever to be paid.

[hellheaven1987]

They would still fight on because if they would surrender they would still be blame for the cause of WW2 and would have a super-dept that would take forever to be paid.

I believe it is more about the military "proud" that would make German continued to fight.

[Nikodemus]

Didn´t Great Britain decide against it because Hitler´s strategy actually helped them?

In the words of Napoleon "If the enemy is about to make a mistake, do not stop him"

IF he would have been assassinated, Himmler and the SS would have probably taken power and since Himmler was mad as a hatter...

BUT if the army(Werhmact) would have succeed with "its" attempt(air plane bomb) it is my firm believe that the war would have ended sooner since far from everyone in the high ranks of the army were really into the whole Nazi thingy of fighting to the last bullet

[Atterdag]

The "Wehrmacht" plot of Walküre was carried out by a bomb hidden in a suitcase under Hitler's desk in the Wolf's Lair, East Prussia.

This is a very interesting event in modern history (I'm doing my senior paper on it). As far as I know, the new government would try its best to get an armistice with the Western Allies and to arrest the SS and Nazi apparatus. The post-Hitler government would most likely have been a coalition of the Wehrmacht and the underground democratic parties from the Weimar Republic; eg Beck being head of state and two SPD-members (Social Democrats) being vice-chancellor and minister of the interior.

[Applesmack]

The "Wehrmacht" plot of Walküre was carried out by a bomb hidden in a suitcase under Hitler's desk in the Wolf's Lair, East Prussia.

This is a very interesting event in modern history (I'm doing my senior paper on it). As far as I know, the new government would try its best to get an armistice with the Western Allies and to arrest the SS and Nazi apparatus. The post-Hitler government would most likely have been a coalition of the Wehrmacht and the underground democratic parties from the Weimar Republic; eg Beck being head of state and two SPD-members (Social Democrats) being vice-chancellor and minister of the interior.

if the Soviets didn't utterly overun the country that is..

[aarons got funky fresh]

I don't think much would change. The war was verlor in 1944, the Germans probably would have surrendered earlier though.

Different case if it was earlier though, maybe other German commanders would have taken over and maybe even won.

[Atterdag]

if the Soviets didn't utterly overun the country that is..

Sweet Jesus, try posting just once without mentioning the SU/Russia.

Considering that a true soldier would be in charge, I doubt that the Ivans could have rushed the Reich 8 months before they did in real time.

[Nikodemus]

The "Wehrmacht" plot of Walküre was carried out by a bomb hidden in a suitcase under Hitler's desk in the Wolf's Lair, East Prussia.

This is a very interesting event in modern history (I'm doing my senior paper on it). As far as I know, the new government would try its best to get an armistice with the Western Allies and to arrest the SS and Nazi apparatus. The post-Hitler government would most likely have been a coalition of the Wehrmacht and the underground democratic parties from the Weimar Republic; eg Beck being head of state and two SPD-members (Social Democrats) being vice-chancellor and minister of the interior.

no,the one i was talking about were an earlier attempt, in 1943, apparently headed by Henning von Tresckow(chief of staff, army group center); the plot centered around a staff meeting between Hitler and Von Kluge at Smolensk.

The plot had three versions to it:

First plan: To have a loyal supporter of the plot and his fellow men escort Hitler to a meeting spot; ambush the motorcade and then by "accident", have Hitler killed in the crossfire; this plan backfired since Hitler brought 50 of his SS guards with him to the meeting

Second plan: To shoot Hitler at the meeting itself, this plan was also a failure since it was thought that having so many SS guards close to Hitler would most certainly led to failure

Third plan: As Hitler leaves by plane for Berlin, Tresckow instructs Schlabrendorff to hand over a package to Colonel Heinz Brandt who is flying back with Hitler.
The package, containing two bottles of brandy, is a gift for Major-General Helmuth Stieff in Berlin.
Concealed in the package is a time bomb but it failed to explode owing to the high altitude cold air freezing the acid in the detonator cap.
When news of Hitler’s safe arrival reached the plotters, Schlabrendorf immediately flew to Berlin with the regular courier plane and retrieved the package from Colonel Brandt, replacing it with two genuine bottles.

[OTZ]

Depends on when in 1944. Things would have turned out much differently - would have been far fewer mistakes made, which could have prolonged the war.

On the other hand, the war may have ended sooner as well - I doubt there were few non-Nazis that were willing to fight to the end.

[Atterdag]

@ Nikodemus, we're talking about two different plots then ^^

Depends on when in 1944. Things would have turned out much differently - would have been far fewer mistakes made, which could have prolonged the war.

On the other hand, the war may have ended sooner as well - I doubt there were few non-Nazis that were willing to fight to the end.

The very goal of Walküre was to end the war and restore the constitutional government of Germany. It all depended on what the allies would do with a Germany not hell bent on self destruction and last stands fetisches.

[hellheaven1987]

Depends on when in 1944. Things would have turned out much differently - would have been far fewer mistakes made, which could have prolonged the war.

On the other hand, the war may have ended sooner as well - I doubt there were few non-Nazis that were willing to fight to the end.

It truly depends.

It is not like if Germany wanted to end the war and everyone would allow it; obviously, new German government would not agree "non-conditional surrender" and Allies had no reason to end the war if the new government did not agree that.

However, the war would definately end earlier - since the high command was already in chaos, how could the army fought effectively??

[OTZ]

I guess it would depend on who took control - the Nazis or the anti-Nazis.

Too many variables me thinks.