Saving a(2) Unit Slots (Idea)

**BioHazard2121** · June 11, 2008, 03:59 AM

Well when I was playing Stainless a few minutes ago, I realized this, when you get a Teutonic Order House (Guild, any level) you get a Teutonic Knight, and Dismounted Teutonic Knight. Well we all know that their are ritteburgers, and these were the true Teutonic Knights, so why not make the Teutonic Order Guild give you Ritterburgers, and Dismounted Ritterburgers?

IF we did this, and maybe make a patch or file to change this and elimate thouse Teutonic knights, Mounted and Dismounted this could save us two unit slots, right, or is it just one? After we did this, we could add some new specialized units to another faction which is missing some, after their is a poll and we all agree!

Ideas? comments?
(Sorry but I lack the skill to do this, so someone else has to

)
~BioHazard

**OTZ** · June 11, 2008, 04:18 AM

I can think of a few more units to get rid of instead...

some boats
some siege weapons
some peasants

**spanish_emperor** · June 11, 2008, 05:04 AM

sounds good

**BioHazard2121** · June 11, 2008, 05:43 AM

Well if we were to get rid of all of these units, ie; Ballista, Teutonic Knights (Replace with Ritterburger), and peasants, we would need to replace them with something, and we would have to thinks of what that would be. Any Ideas on what the replacement units could be?

(Ill post a more detailed version of this in Sub-Mods)

~BioHazard

**Caesar Clivus** · June 11, 2008, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by BioHazard2121

Well when I was playing Stainless a few minutes ago, I realized this, when you get a Teutonic Order House (Guild, any level) you get a Teutonic Knight, and Dismounted Teutonic Knight. Well we all know that their are ritteburgers, and these were the true Teutonic Knights, so why not make the Teutonic Order Guild give you Ritterburgers, and Dismounted Ritterburgers?

IF we did this, and maybe make a patch or file to change this and elimate thouse Teutonic knights, Mounted and Dismounted this could save us two unit slots, right, or is it just one? After we did this, we could add some new specialized units to another faction which is missing some, after their is a poll and we all agree!

Ideas? comments?
(Sorry but I lack the skill to do this, so someone else has to

)
~BioHazard

That's exactly what I did with my Novgorod mod to free up 2 unit slots.

**-Aquila-** · June 11, 2008, 06:00 AM

sounds like a great idea! Always thought peasants and ballistas were a complete waste of space.

**AirnetSnake** · June 11, 2008, 06:03 AM

They'd be too powerful for HRE. Now HRE has a nice unit roster and with this bruders their armies would be unstoppable. Better idea is :

I can think of a few more units to get rid of instead...

some boats
some siege weapons
some peasants

**stickman** · June 11, 2008, 06:13 AM

I agree with AirnetSnake, bruders would be accessible too early via the guilds, and outclass the equivalent guild knights for the other factions.

**ssmarine** · June 11, 2008, 06:24 AM

Ballistas arent a waste of a space they have uses. Plus what would a level one siege wrkshp get you if they didnt exist?

**OTZ** · June 11, 2008, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by ssmarine

Ballistas arent a waste of a space they have uses. Plus what would a level one siege wrkshp get you if they didnt exist?

Get rid of them to. To be honest with you, I've never built any siege weapons ever. That's right - EVER. muahahahaha. A waste of space, me thinks. I'd have no problems getting rid of them entirely.

They show up in field battles way too many times for my liking, and waiting for the AI to exhaust all their ammo during a siege is a giant waste of time - I've got better things to do, lol.

In fact, to free up a few more spaces it might be easier just to have some universal militia units, rather than culture specific ones. ie, one Archer Militia vs several types currently in game...or one spear militia vs the half dozen or so in game...

Ok, so that should open up 20, 30, or even 40 new unit spaces.

If I get around to releasing my AoR mod, I might include some of these changes...

**TemplarLord** · June 11, 2008, 06:43 AM

Well, I have to say, I never use the gunpowder units myself, except for the cannons later in my campaign... Maybe get rid of them...?

**themoob** · June 11, 2008, 07:17 AM

All siege weapons are useful IMO, even though I have increased the number of catapults and ballistas per unit to three to make them useful. >.>

They are great on the defence, especially if you have plenty of archers with stakes and decent infantry. I annihilated a 5000 man Kiven Rus army who was attacking my 1500 strong stack of Polish troops, which had trebuchets, mangonels, catapults, plenty of lithuanian archers and some spearmen. I got a nice spot up high on a cliff, ended in a heroic victory.

**OTZ** · June 11, 2008, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by themoob

All siege weapons are useful IMO, even though I have increased the number of catapults and ballistas per unit to three to make them useful. >.>

They are great on the defence, especially if you have plenty of archers with stakes and decent infantry. I annihilated a 5000 man Kiven Rus army who was attacking my 1500 strong stack of Polish troops, which had trebuchets, mangonels, catapults, plenty of lithuanian archers and some spearmen. I got a nice spot up high on a cliff, ended in a heroic victory.

...but doesn't that seem a bit ridiculous? I mean, really, siege weapons in an open-field battle? I know it's fun to kill thousands of people, and get a heroic victory, but it seems a little cheesy and unrealistic to do it this way...

**spanish_emperor** · June 11, 2008, 07:24 AM

i've never used balistas since m2tw...waste construction time to build workshop when i could be building another more important building, take 2 turns? to recruit (again i could be recruiting two mailed knights that will always be better, and more badass

) lastly they don't do anything good; they can't shot at gates, their accuracy is **** and so the only reason to use them would be in a battle which they fire one or two shots before the enemy become too close.

Waste if you ask me

...but doesn't that seem a bit ridiculous? I mean, really, siege weapons in an open-field battle? I know it's fun to kill thousands of people, and get a heroic victory, but it seems a little cheesy and unrealistic to do it this way...

OTZ has a point, the only siege weapons that were first extensively used in open -field battles were cannons by the ottomans. One of their secrets to battlefield success

**BioHazard2121** · June 11, 2008, 07:24 AM

well if you think that with the Ritterbuger they would be too powerful, you could make them have a low availibity, and therefore limit they presence.

~BioHazard

**spanish_emperor** · June 11, 2008, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by BioHazard2121

well if you think that with the Ritterbuger they would be too powerful, you could make them have a low availibity, and therefore limit they presence.

~BioHazard

Or maybe make them appear later? around the time they were created by Richard the Lionheart me thinks

**AnthoniusII** · June 11, 2008, 07:39 AM

An other way to save a unit slot is to make the simmilar spear and sword units one (double weaponed like Laca's spearmen-2nd version)...
Instad having swordmen and sergeants(spearmen)we could have only a unit(sergeants)...
The big issue is that in a double weaponed unit a player is not certain that the unit will fight with the corect weapon(against cavalry or infantry)...
Maybe through the ability button maybe....who knows the coders or the scripters may find the answer...
Who ever achive that will make history in the mod chronicles!

**Barser** · June 11, 2008, 07:45 AM

No I don't like this idea. Hre should not get ritterbrüder. It's fine as it is. Why not start by removing some of the clone units?
You could free up a lot of units by giving all factions the same artellry. I mean do we rally need a eastern and northern? Who cares if the crew looks the same? They should all be northern imo.

And btw I like balistaes and peasants.

Actually there is 5 types of ballista catapul trebuchet etc.

We could limet each of them to 1. That's freaking lots of units slots.

NE Catapult
EE Catapult
GR Catapult
ME Catapult
AS Catapult

Waste of space

**Erlinggra** · June 11, 2008, 08:16 AM

I agreed ritterbruder is to powerful for HRE, I would support giving them halbbruder thought.

About the different siege weapons; IMO all the different catapults, mangonels, trebuchets, balistas, canons and peasants are just as wasted as the other. Hope somone can fix this as this game is in dire need of some new units for some factions, and some balance fixes.

**TheColdTruth** · June 11, 2008, 08:39 AM

I vote for HRE getting the ritterbruder from the Teutonic Order House. Just let them have it later like someone else said.

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