Imperial Crisis II

**asterion2005** · October 20, 2016, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by legend of rome ii

is it possible you can add some of the unused models pic 3 and 8 from page 16 into your mod

These models are in mod (with other textures, Legio Gemina, i don't remember exactly).

**Saloth Sar** · October 22, 2016, 02:23 PM

Here is new version of Imperial Crisis II http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...0#post15153640 (2016.23.10 post).

The update gameplay is totally different from the previous versions. Original money assistance system is included and due that barbarian factions are deadful not only in the game start, but are a big problem during whole campaign.

Next, the update contains new start positions in their biggest part according to TomySVK corrections. In the other hand, the game keeps some principal thinghs tied to an original ICII faction - Carpi.

Explanation:

1. Why nomad Alans are not a horde when the game starts.
Alans (previously - Roxolani) faction keeps tne north of a campaign map from ahistorical invasion of Armenians, Sassanids and Germanic tribes. Succesfully keeps. Making Alans a horde will crush IC gameplay that is more or less according history now. Another moment - the game timeframes are 260-275 and according that barbarian and nomad factions are strong not by their hordes, but thier starting positions in the game.

2. Why non-nomad Carpi are a horde when the game starts.

That based on original idea from the earliest steps of creating this mod: new unique faction will included in campaign with its spicifical function and roleplay game. Carpi became the most suitable. They start as a people whixch was beaten and submitted by Goths and decided to leave their native lands. Under AI control they are "kamikaze" faction that required to break out Roman borders, increase numerous problem for Danubian Empire, destroy Roman armies and cities at the limes. Then Carpi are weakened more and more and leave a historical scene as a result.
In my newest Roman campaign with the last update a Carpian horde after wandering and plundering Balkans marched dirctly to Aquilea and just military genius of Emperor Galienus was able to stop and destroy them and save Italy...

Under player's control an idea of Carpian faction is totally different: you receive an unique chance to take back a previous glory of Thracians. You may change different ways for that: either attack invaders Goths by whole the might of your horde (Goths are strategically stronger on the start!), or invade Moesia and firstly create your own Empire on the native Thracian lands which now belong to Roman conquerors... And just then match your forces with German ones.
All of that promises an unique and challenge campaign for Carpi, so I don't see a necessary to make them cedentary at the start of game.
Besides, now Carpe at last have Thracian names!

P.S. Unfortunately, the mod is not translated yed. Now I'm the single developer of ICII and a two mods else and until now didn't find enough time for that. But dont' reject an idea to convert mod into English version in the future.
But, as earlier, that doesn't prevent skilled RTW gamers to play Imperial Crisis. Hope you'll enjoy.

**AntonioHundangir** · November 24, 2016, 05:31 PM

And what do you tell about gallic empire? Start pos. Etx i noticed if you play with palmyra, or a non gallic fsction, franks and alamanni can collapsr very easily and hurry on the first turns. Just postumus kill a couple of german kings and reconquer agri decumantes and alamanni disappear like faction. Some suggest? (besides that their too armored like wr noticed early, but until german roster will be changed i simulate that they captured much roman equipment in last years of chaos.

like arminius army after teutoburg.).

**asterion2005** · November 24, 2016, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by AntonioHundangir

And what do you tell about gallic empire? Start pos. Etx i noticed if you play with palmyra, or a non gallic fsction, franks and alamanni can collapsr very easily and hurry on the first turns. Just postumus kill a couple of german kings and reconquer agri decumantes and alamanni disappear like faction. Some suggest? (besides that their too armored like wr noticed early, but until german roster will be changed i simulate that they captured much roman equipment in last years of chaos.

like arminius army after teutoburg.).

An interesting idea is to make Germans the hiring of heavily armed soldiers, only under the condition of capture of the Roman lands.

**AntonioHundangir** · November 25, 2016, 05:55 AM

Yes. Indeed their tried often to capture roman military granaries and armory, for have heavier equipment. (like arminius army against marcomanni. Full of roman equipmebt. But later was badly beated by germanico anycase

taking his family to rome. ). In that period (3rd century) the dutch allieds,the batavi, start to disappear, merged by franks. Between 260-293 franks occupy their island early like invaders, later like foederati. Bonoso, usurper of probus, would kick away camavi from belgium/holland area, for give lands to his veterans, but he was too hurry, maked things bad, and failed to exterminate camavi in a trap, and they burned 5-6 ships on the rhine. Probus was furious for that, because he maked the impossible for rebuild rhine fleet. So bonoso usurped fearing probus punishment. Later constantius clorus resettled franks there. And batavi disappeared. But i think. That like for napoleon mamluks (in 1809-15 after 10 years, majority of mamluks wasnt real one. Only french weared like mamluks and fighting like theu, trained by they. Etc) i guess someone continue to retain a batavian name at least ubtil julian reign. Btw need a batavian cavalry unit. Batavian cavalry was one of the best in gaul, together with the cohors i batavorum (that we have in the mod. Cohors equitata maybe? Often auxilia cohors was so. Batavians wasnt many people. 30.000-40.00. They give soldiers, and shouldnt pay taxes. I guess they couldnt give too men. A cohors equitata, and some elite cavalry unit, like equites singulares and pedites too.

**AntonioHundangir** · November 26, 2016, 08:52 AM

Suggest also a forced diplonacy script. For the no surrender ai behave.

**AntonioHundangir** · November 28, 2016, 10:24 AM

Someone know how to choose the heir for gallienus faction? (i wouldnt not leave the throne to who killed gallienus. Xd)

**Diocle** · November 28, 2016, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by AntonioHundangir

Someone know how to choose the heir for gallienus faction? (i wouldnt not leave the throne to who killed gallienus. Xd)

I thought it was sufficient opening the family menu and then choosing the heir. OMG! Am I wrong?

**AntonioHundangir** · November 28, 2016, 02:32 PM

No diocle (ziano? Xd just kidding) Because claudius isnt a family membet. Is caesar like nevitta with julian. So i havent a valuable move to oppose to illiriciani for thr succession when gallienus is killed by they in 268.

**Diocle** · November 28, 2016, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by AntonioHundangir

No diocle (ziano? Xd just kidding) Because claudius isnt a family membet. Is caesar like nevitta with julian. So i havent a valuable move to oppose to illiriciani for thr succession when gallienus is killed by they in 268.

Ah, OK! Sorry. Anyway you could kill the other candidates you don't like, loading them on some liburna and then sinking them .. it's a very stilish and absolutely TWesque way to deal with such annoying gaming situations.

Nota a Margine riguardo all'uso di "Diocle" (side note concerning the use of "Diocle"):

Uso Diocle per 2 ottimi motivi: 1- Finisce con la vocale e loro odiano le parole che terminano con vocale. 2- Chi sono io per osare di utilizzare il Suo nome ch'Egli scelse quando divenne Augusto?

(En.: "I use Diocle for two good reasons: 1- It ends up with vowel and they hate words finishing with vowel. 2- Who am I for daring to use His name which He chose when He became Augustus?")

**AntonioHundangir** · November 29, 2016, 03:48 AM

Yes. I should select another successor possibly not coming from the command of sirmium. A senator even.
Guys i suggest a script making palmyra and rome allied until gallienus/odenath death. Where zenobia start to make palmyra indipendent. Like for julian/constantius faction in sai until 360. About the succession instead thats a problem. You build a emperor fame, woth battles, etc and in 268 both gallienus, odenath, and postumus are killed. And their killers often came on throne. (claudius, and zabdad especially. But with palmyra there s settimius herodes son of odenath. You can leave the title of caesar from zabdas and give to herodes. While postumus and gallienus is frustrating.)

**Diocle** · November 29, 2016, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by AntonioHundangir

Yes. I should select another successor possibly not coming from the command of sirmium. A senator even.
Guys i suggest a script making palmyra and rome allied until gallienus/odenath death. Where zenobia start to make palmyra indipendent. Like for julian/constantius faction in sai until 360. About the succession instead thats a problem. You build a emperor fame, woth battles, etc and in 268 both gallienus, odenath, and postumus are killed. And their killers often came on throne. (claudius, and zabdad especially. But with palmyra there s settimius herodes son of odenath. You can leave the title of caesar from zabdas and give to herodes. While postumus and gallienus is frustrating.)

I can barely bear Claudius but .. Zabad! Come on, you can't be Caesar of Roma if your name is Zabad! Perhaps turning his name into Zeno, or Sabatius .. it'd be enough ..

**AntonioHundangir** · November 29, 2016, 01:31 PM

Indeed i named herodes. The son of odenath. Zabdas maybe was the lover of zenobia, sometime. Maybe. Zenobia would be a new cleopatra but she hadnt the courage of cleopatra. When captured she throw all fault on zabdas, and on her advisors, causing their execution. She sad i m a woman easily manouvrable. Its their fault. Cleopatra, a eastern absolute queen (i dont like the eastern absolutism but since i pratice some eastern cult, or chtonic cults too, like the mother goddesses, i dont blame completely cleopatra and the eastern world, i m not a catonian sure. Open to other influences. Cleopatra s absolute power on his court was disgusting , nothing to do with the primus inter pares like augustus that ever refused the title of dominus.but at least she had the courage for die bravely. While zenobia once captured was.scared and throw all fault on palmyrene generals and advisors, many heads falled. And zabdas was her servant. That forced to make suicide tenaginus probus in egypt, one of the few loyal roman officers. So, instead odenath was a client ruler that tried to make alliance with shapur early even but once shapur refused, he linked his fate to the roman cause and fought harshly persians and the usurpers. Also if wad half indipendent. Then 1000 better odenath and his son herodes, killed with the father)

**asterion2005** · November 30, 2016, 12:05 AM

AntonioHundangir, i absolutely agree with You! I wrote about this earlier! I'm trying to make Palmyra "Eastern" faction. You may have to use "diplomatic script".

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