Maybe, if we are able to create new ships in the future, creating "turret guns" could be possible. The turret not being part of the ship model but as gun model.
Unguibus et Rostro
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
Maybe, if we are able to create new ships in the future, creating "turret guns" could be possible. The turret not being part of the ship model but as gun model.
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Tiro
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
That's great news! It seems a little more Of total war is uncovered everyday!
Tiro
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
Wasn't there a ship that used mortars in ETW and NTW That used mortars which turned? Not sure about it though.Originally Posted by wangrin
Protector of the Union
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
True! I have now seen, that there are also sometimes gatlings placed on deck. Those should also be turnable...
Unguibus et Rostro
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
I think that cannon and other artillery engines can rotate around themselves.
I suppose it's true for mortars as well as Gatlings for FotS ships.
I'm curious to know how the angle of fire is define. Is it tied to collision model or is there, somewhere, parameters defining what this angle is.
Obiously, I didn't found such data in cannon fields from models_naval tables.
Maybe should I look to bomb ketch tables.
« Le courage, c’est de ne pas subir la loi du mensonge triomphant qui passe, et de ne pas faire écho de notre âme, de notre bouche et de nos mains aux applaudissements imbéciles et aux huées fanatiques.. » Jean JAURES
Unguibus et Rostro
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
I've summarized data found.
I've also begin to have a look to "flag" fields
I've also have a look to several ships tables in their order of appearance in models_naval tablesCode:bow_kobaya MARKER f l a g 04 00 66 00 6C 00 61 00 67 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 56 0E 2D 3E 83 C0 52 41 91 ED 3C 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 cannon_bune MARKER f l a g 04 00 66 00 6C 00 61 00 67 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 56 0E 2D 3E 8B 6C 86 41 FE D4 50 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 caravel MARKER f l a g 0 1 06 00 66 00 6C 00 61 00 67 00 30 00 31 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 B6 F3 7D 3D 6D 67 4D 42 54 E3 45 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 chiyodagata MARKER f l a g 04 00 66 00 6C 00 61 00 67 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 81 68 42 8F C2 9D 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00 chiyodagata_2 MARKER f l a g 04 00 66 00 6C 00 61 00 67 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 81 68 42 8F C2 9D 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00
Code:MARKER b o w _ k o b a y a MARKER 0A 00 62 00 6F 00 77 00 5F 00 6B 00 6F 00 62 00 61 00 79 00 61 00 2E 00 MARKER c a n n o n _ b u n e MARKER 0B 00 63 00 61 00 6E 00 6E 00 6F 00 6E 00 5F 00 62 00 75 00 6E 00 65 00 2F 00 MARKER c a r a v e l MARKER 07 00 63 00 61 00 72 00 61 00 76 00 65 00 6C 00 2B 00 MARKER c h i y o d a g a d a MARKER 0B 00 63 00 68 00 69 00 79 00 6F 00 64 00 61 00 67 00 61 00 74 00 61 00 2F 00 MARKER c h i y o d a g a d a _ 2 MARKER 0D 00 63 00 68 00 69 00 79 00 6F 00 64 00 61 00 67 00 61 00 74 00 61 00 5F 00 32 00 31 00
« Le courage, c’est de ne pas subir la loi du mensonge triomphant qui passe, et de ne pas faire écho de notre âme, de notre bouche et de nos mains aux applaudissements imbéciles et aux huées fanatiques.. » Jean JAURES
Protector of the Union
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
I add some information regarding rotatable cannons on deck.
I indeed succeeded to make them rotatable, changing the gun type from naval_gatling_gun to the normal gatling_gun in the gun table. But then they didn't shoot :/
Edit: well, my last words were wrong. They do shoot, under certain circumstances, since it's rather buggy.
The cannons seam to need a 100% free field of fire (which is of course totally correct) which makes it a bit buggy on the current ship. But if wangrin finally hacks the ship code, and someone want to model a dreadnought rotatable turrets are doable.
Last edited by Primergy; January 05, 2014 at 01:14 PM.
Tiro
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
Wangrin,i have checked the buoyancy of the bow kobaya at page 3,have you seen this ?
Unguibus et Rostro
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
Yep, I've seen it but have not enough time to compile it.
BUOYANCY - by manolops3
Last edited by wangrin; January 07, 2014 at 03:42 PM.
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Unguibus et Rostro
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
Questions about buoyancy :
- is there a marker that define the begining of bobby field ?
- is there a marker that define the end of bobby field ?
- I don't understand the meaning of the field 01 00 00 00 between the last bobby (id 43 or 2B 00 00 00) and the beginning of deck fields that is market by a 0B 00 sequence
- if you look at unknown field, several bobby have the same pattern
It is the case for bobby 36 to bobby 39 for example and could be tied to "breach"Code:00 00 00 00 52 49 41 42 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 instead of 00 00 00 00 52 49 41 42 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Example of bobby with "breach" :
Code:<bobby id="39" mass="11.6221" radius="1.227" x="1.01" y="-8.863" z="1.203"> <breach radius="0.878" x="0.0" y="0.0" z="48.3216"/> </bobby>Code:BOBBY_ID mass radius X Z Y breach radius Xbreach Zbreach Ybreach number of connections connected bobby ID.... 39 11.6221 1.227 1.01 1.203 -8.863 0.878 0.0 48.3216 0.0 0 27 00 00 00 1F F4 39 41 56 0E 9D 3F AE 47 81 3F E7 FB 99 3F D9 CE 0D C1 9C C4 60 3F 00 00 00 00 52 49 41 42 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
« Le courage, c’est de ne pas subir la loi du mensonge triomphant qui passe, et de ne pas faire écho de notre âme, de notre bouche et de nos mains aux applaudissements imbéciles et aux huées fanatiques.. » Jean JAURES
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
Hey is it possible to just introduce a new ship model? I was wondering if i could replace a cannon bune model with a korean turtle ship. The crew and cannons could be set to be non seeable.
If possible, what would the resualts be like? Would it even work?
Tiro
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
@TheBlackKnight
every ship is build of several components,because of this i got your idea too,i thought maybe when i only replace the ship-walls for example,so it looks like Turtle Ship,and change nothing else,the game should know
from where the cannons have to shoot.but Wangrin told me that this will not work.......
so i believe we have to do all the work to figure out how this works first,unfortunately.........
Unguibus et Rostro
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
About adding new ship models should be possible, but we don't know how CA place cannons.
The idea is to :
- define models_naval tables structure (particularly for fields such as cannons or ef_artillery_info)
- study bow_kobaya.max to understand its structure (objects, layers, etc.) and how CS2 and Bob convert it to game files
The first step, finding models_naval tables structure is not that far from being complete.
Then, we will be able to study ship .max in the same way as what have been done for buildings.
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Tiro
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
i tried to compare the damage model.
here is the result :
logic xml :
<damage_model>
<part name="port_side_panel_above_water_1_top">
<panel>
<vertex x="-0.003" y="7.273" z="1.161"/>
<vertex x="-1.389" y="7.273" z="1.161"/>
<vertex x="-1.389" y="7.235" z="2.897"/>
<vertex x="-0.003" y="7.235" z="2.897"/>
</panel>
Code :
part name ID
21 00 70 00 6F 00 72 00 74 00 5F 00 73 00 69 00 64 00 65 00 5F 00 70 00 61 00 6E 00 65 00 6C 00 5F 00 61 00 62 00 6F 00 76 00 65 00 5F 00 77 00 61 00 74 00 65 00 72 00 5F 00 31 00 5F 00 74 00 6F 00 70 00
first panel-------last panel
00 00 00 00-----1F 00 00 00
number of vertex for this panel
04 00 00 00
x vertex 1---------z vertex 1--------y vertex 1
A6 9B 44 BB------A6 9B 94 3F-------6A BC E8 40
x vertex 2---------z vertex 2--------y vertex 2
C1 CA B1 BF------A6 9B 94 3F-------6A BC E8 40
x vertex 3---------z vertex 3--------y vertex 3
C1 CA B1 BF------73 68 39 40-------1F 85 E7 40
x vertex 4---------z vertex 4--------y vertex 4
A6 9B 44 BB------73 68 39 40-------1F 85 E7 40
ANOTHER EXAMPLE :
logic xml :
</part>
<part name="stern_panel_above_water_1">
<panel>
<vertex x="3.019" y="-9.429" z="2.86"/>
<vertex x="2.728" y="-7.836" z="3.353"/>
<vertex x="2.995" y="-8.929" z="3.667"/>
</panel>
Code :
part name ID
19 00 73 00 74 00 65 00 72 00 6E 00 5F 00 70 00 61 00 6E 00 65 00 6C 00 5F 00 61 00 62 00 6F 00 76 00 65 00 5F 00 77 00 61 00 74 00 65 00 72 00 5F 00 31 00
first panel-------last panel
00 00 00 00-----14 00 00 00
number of vertex for this panel
03 00 00 00
x vertex 1---------z vertex 1--------y vertex 1
4C 37 41 40 -----3D 0A 37 40------2F DD 16 C1
x vertex 2---------z vertex 2--------y vertex 2
8D 97 2E 40------8D 97 56 40------83 C0 FA C0
x vertex 3---------z vertex 3--------y vertex 3
14 AE 3F 40------21 B0 6A 40------2F DD 0E C1
Tiro
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
CUSTOM POSITIONS :
LOGIC XML :
<custom_positions>
<custom_position name="flag">
<position x="0.169" y="2.952" z="13.172"/>
</custom_position>
</custom_positions>
CODE :
after the last efline it begins with 01 00 00 00 i dont know is this a part of the code or not , maybe it is the same as between the last bobby (id 43 or 2B 00 00 00) and the beginning of deck fields that is market by a 0B 00 sequence , like between the Buoyancy and the decks. a " between - marker " ???
then:
marker piece
04 00
name flag ID
66 00 6C 00 61 00 67 00
first custom position name flag / last custom position name flag
00 00 00 00---------------------------01 00 00 00
-position X--------------position Z-------------position Y------
87 16 D9 3D----------- 6A BC F1 41-----------25 06 81 3F
it seems that this is the end of the custom positions.
then there are :
???????? maybe a end marker for the end of ship_logic ???
00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F ( or is this the second custom position without name flag and x,y,z, after the first custom position ??? ( it ends with 3F , like the position y of the first custom position too )
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ( then only this is the end marker ??? ,but is there a end marker ??? )
Unguibus et Rostro
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
OP updated :
DAMAGE MODELS - by manolops3
CUSTOM POSITIONS
logic.xml :
Code:<custom_positions> <custom_position name="flag"> <position x="0.169" y="2.952" z="13.172"/> </custom_position> </custom_positions>If we look at an other ship, such as cannon_bune :Code:MARKER f l a g ? N° OF PIECE X1 Z1 Y1 ? ? ? ? 04 00 66 00 6C 00 61 00 67 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 56 0E 2D 3E 83 C0 52 41 91 ED 3C 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
caravelCode:MARKER f l a g ? N° OF PIECE X1 Z1 Y1 ? ? ? ? 04 00 66 00 6C 00 61 00 67 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 56 0E 2D 3E 8B 6C 86 41 FE D4 50 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
chiyodagata (torpedo boat)Code:MARKER f l a g 0 1 ? N° OF PIECE X1 Z1 Y1 ? ? ? ? 06 00 66 00 6C 00 61 00 67 00 30 00 31 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 B6 F3 7D 3D 6D 67 4D 42 54 E3 45 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Note that, when looking at caravel, I've also found entries for sails.Code:MARKER f l a g ? N° OF PIECE X1 Z1 Y1 ? ? ? ? 04 00 66 00 6C 00 61 00 67 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 81 68 42 8F C2 9D 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00 and then : MARKER s h i p _ w h e e l _ l o o p _ a n i m ? N° OF PIECE X1 Z1 Y1 ? ? ? ? 14 00 73 00 68 00 69 00 70 00 5F 00 77 00 68 00 65 00 65 00 6C 00 5F 00 6C 00 6F 00 6F 00 70 00 5F 00 61 00 6E 00 69 00 6D 00 02 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 6E 12 83 BA E9 26 91 BF 06 81 45 C1 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 MARKER s t e a m f u n n e l ? 0B 00 73 00 74 00 65 00 61 00 6D 00 66 00 75 00 6E 00 6E 00 65 00 6C 00 01 00 00 00 MARKER S m o k e _ N a v a l _ g r o u p _ l a r g e ? X1 Z1 Y1 ? ? ? ? 17 00 53 00 6D 00 6F 00 6B 00 65 00 5F 00 4E 00 61 00 76 00 61 00 6C 00 5F 00 67 00 72 00 6F 00 75 00 70 00 5F 00 6C 00 61 00 72 00 67 00 65 00 00 00 00 00 52 B8 DE 40 7D 3F 4D C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00 MARKER s t e a m f u n n e l ? 0B 00 73 00 74 00 65 00 61 00 6D 00 66 00 75 00 6E 00 6E 00 65 00 6C 00 01 00 00 00 MARKER S m o k e _ N a v a l _ g r o u p _ l a r g e ? X1 Z1 Y1 ? ? ? ? 17 00 53 00 74 00 65 00 61 00 6D 00 5F 00 4E 00 61 00 76 00 61 00 6C 00 5F 00 67 00 72 00 6F 00 75 00 70 00 5F 00 6C 00 61 00 72 00 67 00 65 00 00 00 00 00 50 8D CF 40 37 89 21 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00
This is likely something that should be written in caravel logic.xlm.
Same for masts.Code:0F 00 62 00 6F 00 74 00 74 00 6F 00 6D 00 5F 00 73 00 61 00 69 00 6C 00 73 00 5F 00 30 00 31 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 3B DF 43 C1 B2 9D 9D 41 8D 97 81 41 1F 85 41 C1 9E EF 41 41 8D 97 81 41 93 18 42 41 CF F7 41 41 8D 97 81 41 BE 9F 44 41 D3 4D 9D 41 8D 97 81 41 04 00 00 00 BE 9F 44 41 D3 4D 9D 41 E9 26 82 41 93 18 42 41 CF F7 41 41 E9 26 82 41 1F 85 41 C1 9E EF 41 41 E9 26 82 41 3B DF 43 C1 B2 9D 9D 41 E9 26 82 41 0F 00 0F 00 b o t t o m _ s a i l s _ 0 1 0 2 4 -12.242 19.702 16.199 0F 00 6D 00 69 00 64 00 64 00 6C 00 65 00 5F 00 73 00 61 00 69 00 6C 00 73 00 5F 00 30 00 31 00 02 00 00 00 0F 00 m i d d l e _ s a i l s _ 0 1 2
These entries can be found after DAMAGE MODELS and before COLLISIONS
I've also listed several marker that define the begining of each ship tables :
bow_kobaya : 0A 00 (10)
cannon_bune : 0B 00 (11)
caravel : 07 00 (7)
chiyodagata : 0B 00 (11)
chiyodagata2 : 0D 00 (13)
Last edited by wangrin; January 25, 2014 at 05:38 AM.
« Le courage, c’est de ne pas subir la loi du mensonge triomphant qui passe, et de ne pas faire écho de notre âme, de notre bouche et de nos mains aux applaudissements imbéciles et aux huées fanatiques.. » Jean JAURES
Tiro
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
oh sorry i compared the custom positions of the wrong ship,and again i didnt understood all of the meanings right.
but it seems that the bow_kobaya is done now.what could i do next ?
Unguibus et Rostro
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
I'm trying to resume all these data into only one document (Excel spreadsheet).
Then, we should try to examine some other ships to look for differences (markers for examples) and new fields.
« Le courage, c’est de ne pas subir la loi du mensonge triomphant qui passe, et de ne pas faire écho de notre âme, de notre bouche et de nos mains aux applaudissements imbéciles et aux huées fanatiques.. » Jean JAURES
Unguibus et Rostro
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
I've uptaded the OP.
We have to find the meaning of some remaining unknown fields for DECKS and PIPES.
I've create a spreadsheet that resume our work on bow_kobaya naval tables :
« Le courage, c’est de ne pas subir la loi du mensonge triomphant qui passe, et de ne pas faire écho de notre âme, de notre bouche et de nos mains aux applaudissements imbéciles et aux huées fanatiques.. » Jean JAURES
Re: Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model
Just wondering, If anyone had tried just making a new ship with existing ship models? Existing naval mod for S2 seemed to modifying existing ship only.
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