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    I am sorry if I seem very annoying, but are you planning to put in Greek Flamethrowers/Greek Firethrowers?

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    My opinion about greek fire, that legend is an lie, because the history say that fire, could fire even in the water and if you tried to put water on it and not sand or urinate it will fire more and more, this is really crap, because when they used on the boats fighting with turkis on the sea they could burn the whole sea and probably today we would had an burning sea instead of Mediterranean or Black Sea.

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    Focus on sec 50.
    You may not beleive that 7th-11th century greeks(byxantines)were so advanced comparing to west europeans that lived in the mug but history is result of facts and not beliefs.
    Hand version of greek siphon.
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    You really believe this? I can see it's an reconstruction...and think Ex. East Roman Empire ,Byzantium after, you think they didn't lose battle's on the South with Turkish? and they really didn't lose any of that weapons flame thrower on the battle field? I don't know geography of the Istanbul city ex. Byzant. probably they have petrol and at that time they improved gas like in WW1/WW2 for flame throwers.I respect Greece for them old history who evolved and explained many things about math etc etc, but this with greek fire is crap like Arthur and the Round Table knights...It's mine opinion nobody can change it, we can believe in what we want...I believe in what I see...even in God I don't believe,I'm Christian but another crap is when Jesus fly to the sky...

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    Firstly, Greek Fire is known to have been used and recorded. Secondly, Greek Fire is chemical mix which was very volatile, mixed with probably with a alkaline metal which meant that it could react with water. However, due to the fact that it is a limited reactant, the chemicals forming Greek Fire would eventually die down when the chemical was used up.

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    Anyway, all I want to know is whether Chivalry TW team is planning to create a Greek Fire/Flamethrower unit

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    Anyway, all I want to know is whether Chivalry TW team is planning to create a Greek Fire/Flamethrower unit
    I am affraid no. The Chivalry 1.07 is probably to be the final version of the mod, however, thera are still some submods like FCRC ( http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=424806) in development.

    You really believe this? I can see it's an reconstruction...and think Ex. East Roman Empire ,Byzantium after, you think they didn't lose battle's on the South with Turkish? and they really didn't lose any of that weapons flame thrower on the battle field? I don't know geography of the Istanbul city ex. Byzant. probably they have petrol and at that time they improved gas like in WW1/WW2 for flame throwers.I respect Greece for them old history who evolved and explained many things about math etc etc, but this with greek fire is crap like Arthur and the Round Table knights...It's mine opinion nobody can change it, we can believe in what we want...I believe in what I see...even in God I don't believe,I'm Christian but another crap is when Jesus fly to the sky...
    IIRC, thre are also records that Turks used greek fire against the crusaders during the 1st crusade.
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    Default Re: Greek Fire

    are you planning to put in Greek Flamethrowers/Greek Firethrowers?
    No, not a greek siphon (launcher) at least. Can be a part of submod(s) though.

    We have the manual greek fire throwers in the mod.

    IIRC, thre are also records that Turks used greek fire against the crusaders during the 1st crusade.
    Yes, but historically the Fatimids, who governed Jerusalem at the time.
    It was thrown by hand, a launcher is afaik not recorded for this instance at least.

    I am affraid no. The Chivalry 1.07 is probably to be the final version of the mod
    Just depends. Whenever certain team members, who sometime in the past promised and worked on certain contents, decide to come back, then there will be another final update with those contents (primarily voice-modding and events modding is meant here, but also other possible updates).
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    Thank you for your time DaVinci!

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    We have the manual greek fire throwers in the mod.
    However, I beieve they are only available in custom battles, DV could you confirm this information?
    Yes, but historically the Fatimids, who governed Jerusalem at the time.
    Oh, yes now I remember.
    Just depends. Whenever certain team members, who sometime in the past promised and worked on certain contents, decide to come back, then there will be another final update with those contents (primarily voice-modding and events modding is meant here, but also other possible updates).
    That would be really great

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordXarax View Post
    You really believe this? I can see it's an reconstruction...and think Ex. East Roman Empire ,Byzantium after, you think they didn't lose battle's on the South with Turkish? and they really didn't lose any of that weapons flame thrower on the battle field? I don't know geography of the Istanbul city ex. Byzant. probably they have petrol and at that time they improved gas like in WW1/WW2 for flame throwers.I respect Greece for them old history who evolved and explained many things about math etc etc, but this with greek fire is crap like Arthur and the Round Table knights...It's mine opinion nobody can change it, we can believe in what we want...I believe in what I see...even in God I don't believe,I'm Christian but another crap is when Jesus fly to the sky...
    We cannot base our modding work on opinions, but just on accessable sources, greek fire is sourced a lot (even i put up only a wiki source here, just for the short reference).

    Quote Originally Posted by demagogos nicator View Post
    However, I beieve they are only available in custom battles, DV could you confirm this information?

    Oh, yes now I remember.

    That would be really great
    Bold: Uhm, can't remember it ... if this is the case, would be easy to enable them for the campaign ... will look into it sometime in the future.

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    Thank you for your time DaVinci!
    Thank you for putting out the thing.

    One thing, look up, if they are not as merc available, in the according regions. Actually cannot remember what i did with them. However, for a campaign update, at least the Fatimid defenders of Jerusalem should get 1 fire thrower unit, minimum
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    However, for a campaign update, at least the Fatimid defenders of Jerusalem should get 1 fire thrower unit, minimum
    Actually, the RK campaign starts in 1072 so Jerusalem is still in the hands of Seljuks, in CE campaign it is alredy in the hands of Crusaders

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    Yep, you are right

    So i looked into the edb file:
    recruit "naptha throwers" 1 requires factions { thrace, pontus, parthia, } and hidden_resource turk
    Recruitable in large city siege engineer, by both Seljuk factions and East-Romans.

    ... so the RK campaign could get an update in a way that Jerusalem gets the building from the start ... ehm, of course should also be valid then for the later CE campaign.
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    Thanks for loking into it:
    Make them recruitable also by Fatimids could be a good idea anyway.
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