A guide to the Senate

**Zarax** · January 08, 2014, 07:44 AM

Yes, it's pretty hard (senate has some hefty hard-coded bonuses) but not impossible.

**Aradan** · January 08, 2014, 08:15 AM

What are the requirements then, simply extremely low public order?

And when you say "hefty bonuses", you mean actual bonuses to different stats or different mechanics/exclusion from certain mechanics?

**Zarax** · January 08, 2014, 08:22 AM

AFAIK yes, low enough public order will do the trick at least in BI.

This is from XC where you can get distance + culture + religion penalties

**Aradan** · January 08, 2014, 08:38 AM

In XC is the senate is a superfaction? I just tried launching RTW with BI.exe, playing as the Senate, capturing a new province, decreasing public order to 0% and still the settlement will not revolt at all. It won't even rebel (the 'unrest stage one turn before it revolts, when the pitchfork icon appears).

**Zarax** · January 08, 2014, 08:41 AM

Yes, it's a superfaction but it's not called romans_senate internally.
Also, I wasn't playing as senate but trying to make a senate settlement rebel

**Aradan** · January 08, 2014, 08:48 AM

You mean by a script? Haven't tried that, but regardless of whether I play as the senate or not, superfactions don't seem able to have revolts in the 'normal' way.

Does the faction not being called "romans_senate" affect anything? It makes the senate tab disappear, I think. Is that correct? Does it do anything else?

So, what were those "hefty bonuses" you mentioned a few posts above? Are you referring to their inability to suffer revolts or something else?

Sorry for drilling you with those questions, the topic interests me and I'm hoping someone will have solutions to a couple of problems I can't quite solve (one of them being the revolt thing).

**Zarax** · January 08, 2014, 08:55 AM

Hefty bonuses I mean that it seems to be still harder for a senate settlement to revolt but by removing romans_senate or roman culture if order gets low enough the settlement revolts with a CTD.
I can link you to XC5 alpha if you want to test it for yourself.

**Aradan** · January 08, 2014, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Zarax

Hefty bonuses I mean that it seems to be still harder for a senate settlement to revolt but by removing romans_senate or roman culture if order gets low enough the settlement revolts with a CTD.

Strange. I have 3 superfaction 'groupings' involving 8 factions in FATW, none of the superfactions is roman, and I still get no revolts for them.

I can link you to XC5 alpha if you want to test it for yourself.

That would be very nice, thanks for the offer!

**Zarax** · January 08, 2014, 09:12 AM

Wait, are you saying multiple superfactions work?

And here: http://www.wmwiki.com/hosted/cv/xcfi...st26212013.exe

**Aradan** · January 08, 2014, 09:20 AM

Yes, they do, though they have a side-effect (the 2nd problem that I can't solve). All involved factions share line of sight on the campaign map. Annoying.

Thanks!

**Zarax** · January 08, 2014, 09:31 AM

So all sub-factions can see what sub-factions under other super-factions can see?

**Aradan** · January 08, 2014, 09:33 AM

Everyone can see everyone, yes. Or at least I haven't found a way to stop this.

**Zarax** · January 08, 2014, 09:41 AM

So it's as I remembered from my earlier experiments.

**Aradan** · January 09, 2014, 03:13 AM

Playing as the Seleucids in XC, who are the superfaction of Bactria, Pontus and Armenia, I still can't get revolts even at 0% public order. Same thing when I play as someone else, gift them a settlement at the other side of the world and make the settlement's public order go to 0%.

Can you tell me what steps you followed and managed to have a revolt?

**Zarax** · January 09, 2014, 03:21 AM

Hmm, can you tell me which installer options are you using?

**Aradan** · January 09, 2014, 03:44 AM

BI exe, Non-steam, Loyalty activated

The other options do not matter, I assume.

EDIT: And Seleucid Satrapies on, obviously.

**Zarax** · January 09, 2014, 03:51 AM

Weird, I'll do some double checks tonight but I cannot explain this result difference.

**julianus heraclius** · January 09, 2014, 05:22 PM

I'm wondering if senate missions will work for BI or Alex. We at Invasio Barbarborum are developing a mid to late 3rd C mod called Restitutor Orbis and would like to include senate missions for the mod.

**Zarax** · January 10, 2014, 01:46 AM

Yes, they work fine.
Try XC4 with Carthaginian senate to see how well.

**ahowl11** · January 10, 2014, 12:40 PM

I have been able to set something up in vanilla in the past that worked. I made a Unified Rome Mod for the Mundus Magnus map, and took the other roman factions completely out of the campaign. I still got missions which was pretty cool.