Pasan's Part/Recommendations from Chief Librarians][fieldset2=PASAN]
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Greetings councilors of the CdeC.
I joined TWC in May 15 2007, and like many others about these forums the reason for joining was that I needed help with some mod, in my case the recently released Stainless Steel. What I can say from my early years here on this site is that it was largely dominated by non-regular checking for new mods, posting in the respective forums for TATW and SS and general inconsistent activity. I did not begin to frequent and contribute to the site until the last year or so, as you can see from my contributions bellow, most of them are from 2012 or late 2011.
It is my firm belief that the reason I went from irregular member to a contributing part of the site was that I at some point ventured into the Thema Devia, and while that meant affiliation with something with as shabby a reputation as the Devia, it also meant that I became much more involved with the site, with a network of friends to keep me interested. And with this came a desire to contribute more to TWC and be a more positive addition to the site. Luckily Hader accepted me into the Librarians and my efforts with Content Staff work expanded from there. Apart from staff work, I have started a number of side project and independent writings. It is my hope that my contributions will be judged enough to be accepted into the Citizen usergroup. Which for me will serve as a stepping stone to be further involvement with TWC.
Bellow you will find my list of contributions.
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The fieldset's off. I won't try to fix it as I don't want to look like I am tampering with the application, editing things in or out, while discussion is underway!
It is accessible, hence I don't see an issue. The Curator can fix it though, if you like it to be fixed.
That being said, I assume there are no moderational issues since you're his patron.
It is accessible, hence I don't see an issue. The Curator can fix it though, if you like it to be fixed.
That being said, I assume there are no moderational issues since you're his patron.
Are we allowed to know what the Administrative Note was?
Just some statistics since his last application when comparing the two:
4 more articles added to the Scriptorium
2 more articles written for the Scriptorium Editorial (roughly the same length)
Organised one more Scriptorium Competition
Received A Silver Quill on 12th October
Joined the GG and wrote one article
Became Game Reviews moderator
No more independently written articles published
Modding suggestions (ideas etc.) haven't increased
Still remains LM for "Describe the Person Above You Thread"
Started role-play event
I have been anxiously awaiting Pasan's second attempt at this. Although I did not expect it to come during my term, I will use this opportunity to address what I think was done wrong the first time around.
Originally Posted by Aikanar
After reading the latest 1000 posts of the applicant. Loads and loads and loads of them are posted in four different threads: The My Little Pony, The Chat and The Describe The Person Above You or The Say Cheese threads and threads alike to those kind. By nature those kind of threads tend to be rahter spammy and the posts tend to keep in line with the thread.
Besides this, most of his posts tend to be oneliners, posts like this or this or that and this furthermore this, this, this and that and that along withthesethree are acutally the few posts "most striking" in his last 1000 posts ...
As I did before, I once again wish to make a quick comment regarding "spamming." Perhaps because I was born in the cradle of the Thema Devia, I strongly dislike the word "spamming" when people's posts are judged here by the CdeC. If someone plays one-word games in the Coliseum, then he is just doing what the thread wants you to do. The same goes for other threads. This is just one form of posting, but should not detract from the applicant's worthiness as a whole. True, such posts do not give you plus points in the application process, but they should not result in negative points.
I am sure Aikanar did not mean to deride Pasan for his posting habits, but that his actual point was that there is more short posts than posts of substance (i.e., contributions). But to many Devians (inhabitants of the Thema Devia), this came across as rather elitist (myself included). Thus, to be clear, I ask my fellow councilors to refrain from using the word "spamming" when talking about other candidate's posts, unless, of course, these posts are completely off-topic.
Having finally said this, let's get down to the nitty gritty, shall we?
I meant exactly what I wrote, his posts tend to be spammy, i.e. very short sentences which can sometimes not even be considered one-liners. While it is up to every councillors discretion to whether or not that might be something negative, it was indeed regarded as such by a lot of our predecessors and in fact has rather recently been discussed concerning contributions.
Anyways, as I've said, it's up to every councillor. To be frank, and I would post the exact same thing if this was public, I don't care, at all, whether or not something a councillor says is liked or not liked or as which it might be regarded as by other people. If they don't like it, they can just vote for somebody else. If they happen to have no voting rights, they can just express their thoughts in either the commentary thread or write a pm or what not. We are not elected for being liked, we're elected for doing the job and part of the job is calling things out.
And just to be clear myself, again, every councillor is free to make any statement he wishes to. He can, of course, be held accountable for what he says. And to be even more clear, if something smells like spam and looks like spam then there's a high probability that it is spam and I won't call it otherwhise just to please people who do spam and think it's something comendable.
Aikanar, I by no means meant to attack you personally. As I said above, your intentions were good. You were doing your job. My point is: no matter how you define it, "spamming" has negative connotations that you cannot escape. And while every councilor may choose what to do or not to do, it was but a friendly request. Since we also use the word "spamming" to describe spambots infiltrating TWC on a constant basis, I only thought it would be nice not to use it.
And I never implied that what some consider "spamming" should be commendable. But it is my opinion that this should not detract from an applicant's worthiness, as long as the posts are following thread rules.
I have worked with Pasan for some time now in the library, and I believe he will make a good citizen. His personality is great with his fox humour as well as his contributions to the site are ample. I would have no regrets giving this man his badge
I am leaning towards a yes
Last edited by Lord William; December 27, 2012 at 07:10 PM.
Section Editor ES • Librarian • Local Moderator • Citizen • CdeC
I've not understood it as an attack. Sometimes my posts appear too agressive, if that is the case with the above post. I'm sorry. I respect your opinion. But that is it, it is your opinion. Others might have other opinions and in fact spamming was considered not citizenworthy if it appeared to often. Indeed, this is up to every councillor.
Just because you can find nothing negative in it, others can do so. If you find nothing negative in it, you can try to convince others who might find it a negative thing that they are wrong.
But just because you think one way does not make your opinion truth, besides for yourself.
I, for myself, can overlook a spammy behaviour if it's a) not disruptive, b) not the overwhelming part of the applicants post and c) the applicant provides other contributions. As far as I can see, this applicant has a tendency to post in a spammy fashion. I have not, however, come across many disrupting posts of his and he contributes, hence I'm willing to not weight his often spammy posts too much.
I've not understood it as an attack. Sometimes my posts appear too agressive, if that is the case with the above post. I'm sorry. I respect your opinion. But that is it, it is your opinion. Others might have other opinions and in fact spamming was considered not citizenworthy if it appeared to often. Indeed, this is up to every councillor.
Just because you can find nothing negative in it, others can do so. If you find nothing negative in it, you can try to convince others who might find it a negative thing that they are wrong.
But just because you think one way does not make your opinion truth, besides for yourself.
I perfectly agree with this part. As I said, I never meant to force other councilors to follow my opinion. I simply made a friendly request, based on my own experiences as someone like Pasan (i.e., a Devian). Whether or not you take it into consideration is entirely up to you, Genosse.
anyway, Pasan, though spam he may, his contributions appear to be more than sufficient at first glance, and some digging will commence, but so far it seems all good.
I am of the similar mind as Diamat, his posts shouldn't be considered negative because they are suitable for the thread in which they are posted, however they shouldn't be viewed as a contribution either.
I'm going to sadly miss out on this application, but I wish the applicant the best of luck. When the poll appears could my vote of "Abstain" be edited into the poll?
Diamat's Super-Authoritative Statement on Pasan's Application
It does not take a genius to figure out that Pasan is a sneaky fox. Unable to catch the mouse he has hunted for months, he is nevertheless quite a trickster. I first came across him when I was a total noob to TWC. He tricked me into clicking his signature, which made my TWC turn into barbie theme, and I did not know how to get rid of it, until I finally erased my cookies. HAHAHA! All kidding aside, he is truly a fun and friendly member.
Look at his contributions! They are a plenty! His game reviews of Crusader Kings 2, Dawn of War 2, and most recently, Skyrim, are not only detailed and well thought out, but they are also rather lengthy. Add to this the other articles he has written and you got yourself a nice writing resume. But it doesn't stop there. To the contrary, his contributions go on and on. He has served in content for quite some time. He has been hosting his own RTD, thus bringing joy (not spam) to the Coliseum. And he has also served as a local moderator in the Coliseum. In terms of contributions, to me, he is more than deserving of citizenship.
But what about attitude? As said before, and based on a review of his posts, I see Pasan as a friendly member, which his letters of recommendation confirm as well. Moreover, I think he would make a fantastic citizen, as demonstrated by his activism in the revival of the "Describe the Person Above You" thread.
Unless strong evidence to the contrary is uncovered, this is really a no brainer. Indeed, I usually don't make up my mind so early on, but when what I'm presented with is so overwhelmingly positive, what is a budgie to do?
The only issue I might have was his attitude to this whole process when he failed the last time, quite public, but in terms of contributions this seems so far like a yes vote from me..
[Citizen] Pasan (patron: Legio)
Originally Posted by Aikanár
When the poll appears could my vote of "Abstain" be edited into the poll?
