That's where you're wrong kiddo. Every single Hellenistic Greek campaign I have played (Makedonia, Koinon Hellenon, Pergamon) has been over 600 turns, one of them reaching past turn 750 (like turn 765 or something). I'm playing a Roman campaign right now where I'm at turn 679 and it's the year 104 BC. I plan on barreling towards turn 800 and taking the British Isles in the mid-1st century BC, like around 70 or 60 BC, maybe even earlier! It would be a ridiculous waste to get the Marian reforms at turn 500, as I did, and then just stop playing without using the freaking Marian units. That would just be lame. Roma_Victrix don't play like that, fool. Nah-ah. Homie don't play dat.