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  • Donald Trump - Mike Pence (Republicans)

    34 43.59%
  • Joe Biden - Kamala Harris (Democrats)

    37 47.44%
  • Jo Jorgensen - Spike Cohen (Libertarians)

    4 5.13%
  • Howie Hawkins - Angela Walker (Greens)

    0 0%
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    3 3.85%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    To be fair I think continuing racism serves the interests of a lot of incumbents. While there are genuine efforts made by both major parties to address and resolve racist issues I'd say there are plenty who prefer to have a simplified and unresolved situation where their supporters will vote for them because they signal a certain stance.

    A bit of virtue signalling is a good thing, some rhetoric greases wheels and can even persuade certain intelligence brackets (eg mine: low-to-middling) to mobilise their efforts.

    Certainly old mate Trump "vice-signalled" a heap (with his Charlottesville flirtation with murdering white supremacists, his smearing of Mexicans etc etc) which fed off, or just fed, racism, so they are at least related.

    In a similar vein others vice signalled looting BLM affiliated mobs (in an effort to keep their storefronts unsmashed and maybe access the woke-market, which is apparently a thing). Rhetoric validating rioting isn't a great look and bodes poorly for the future: I think like racist rhetoric stokes racism like "looting is a valid way to redistributed wealth" stokes looting.

    So I think rhetoric feeds racism, I think so maybe it can be an antidote too.

    Mor cynically, if Biden is a Clintonista cynical power seeking politician (and he likely is) he's unlikely to want to enrich a rusted on demographic to the point where they might consider voting for someone else. Something similar happened in Australia where the Catholic vote (largely Irish) was broadly Labor affiliated until the 1970s. Irish-descended Catholic Australians achieved parity in wealth and status before WWII but after decades inside the halls of power began to fragment and currently there's a substantial Catholic Right faction in our conservative ruling party (called the Liberals but more properly the Mining and Murdoch Party). Something similar has happened with the Greek orthodox community, in a shorter time (the multiculrtural society favoured by Labor did not develop into an electoral hegemony, as people seem to think Democrat immigration will inevitably do).
    Okay? But this is just some kid reading poetry.

    Why did the standards change all of a sudden when Joe Biden assumed office?
    Trump barely did a racism, never really said anything about Black people. Said that ILLEGAL immigrants from Mexico and Latin America tend to be criminals, which they are. But now Joe Biden, who has said racist things about Black people is suddenly given a pass? Kamala Harris who is not popular among Black people, his own vice president, called him a racist but takes the job anyway.

    I am starting to think that this really is about White people wanting to make it about them. Really regretting saying anything about BLM, Woke Media (TM), "race theory", etc. This is just White people making up their own narratives and trying to coax minorities into supporting them politically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Oda Nobunaga View Post
    Trump barely did a racism, never really said anything about Black people. Said that ILLEGAL immigrants from Mexico and Latin America tend to be criminals, which they are. But now Joe Biden, who has said racist things about Black people is suddenly given a pass? Kamala Harris who is not popular among Black people, his own vice president, called him a racist but takes the job anyway.
    Ask Lindsey Graham. If anybody can give you context as to why people in the same political party would ally up after saying such things I'm sure he can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    I voted for Biden because I couldn’t vote for Trump... The good news for Democrats’ systemic racism mythology is, it is unfalsifiable and therefore infinitely versatile.
    Oh, I see. I guess you are a libertarian conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    ..In a word, politics.
    That's precisely what she said,laughing.
    BTW, I never said that Biden is a rapist. Last time I checked in the dictionary, rapist is a person who forces someone to have sex with them. Sexual harassment is another and very different thing: includes unwelcome physical, verbal or nonverbal conduct. Regarding the sexual allegations against Biden,its up to you if you believe it or not.Elisabeth Warren said: ”I believe Lucy Flores”.Kamala Harris said: ”I believe them, and I respect them being able to tell their story and having the courage to do!”

    Biden's notes: ‘Do not hold grudges’ against Kamala Harris
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    In what concerns the presence of Hunter Biden in Ukraine and China,I'm still convinced that there is still much to explain. One thing seems certain, Biden isn't a a very rich man.
    In the end, politicians are not saints. So, let's not diabolize Kamala "the opportunist", and sanctify Biden as a model of virtue.
    From a slightly different perspective,I would like to add that Europeans do not care about the extramarital affairs of their politicians. In the US, the FBI blackmailed Luther King.And look, Kennedy- a good President- may have been a worse philander than Trump.Clinton impeachment reveals a puritan and very repressive outlook of the American life.

    From a political point if view, being a social-democrat and anti-racist, I was pleasantly surprised by Biden’s domestic policy decisions and I would like to stress once again that Biden seems to be a progressive Catholic,i.e. a follower of the social teaching of Pope Francis, whose own struggles with conservative Chatolics are well documented. The Catholics Who Hate Joe Biden—And Pope Francis

    It is also telling
    that the Wall Street Journal run an op-ed attacking Jill Biden’s preference to use the title “Dr.” A sexist attack,according to Jill Biden. She said in a recent interview (Late Show with Colbert) “That was such a surprise. It was really the tone of it.He called me “kiddo”. And one of the things I’m most proud is my doctorate: I mean,I’ve worked so hard for it”

    As I said before, Jill Biden deserves my respect. A couple of days ago, Biden received a symbolic gift from his wife, a painting from a black artist for Inauguration Day cerimony.Amanda Gorman's 2017 performance of "An American Lyric" convinced Jill Biden she needed to be the 2021 Inaugural Poet.



    An anti-racist and multiculturalistic poem

    So, sincerely,I hope you haven’t bet on the “wrong” horse. Social Europe is a leading European digital media publisher and a forum for debate and innovative thinking. This is part of a series on US Election 2020 (18 articles)
    This series aims to examine different facets of the elections. After reading through them carefully,its quite clear that Biden’s economic and social program is also praised by the European left. For example,
    Social Europe -The Biden victory and the future of the centre-left
    Key quotes,
    “it’s easy to see aspects of the Biden approach translating to social-democratic parties”.

    “The coalition Biden built modelled what the centre-left could accomplish elsewhere”.

    cultural divides aggravated by economic disparities remain a challenge to Biden’s party and social-democratic movements elsewhere.”

    “Biden ran the most pro-union campaign of any Democrat since Truman, stressing the importance of workers’ rights and higher wages.”

    the cause of democracy and the imperative of social reform—will not be locked into separate spheres” (1)

    “Without ever calling himself a socialist or a social democrat, Biden at his best may thus find himself operating in the tradition one of the leading US democratic-socialist thinkers, who defined himself as living on ‘the left wing of the possible’. The late Michael Harrington saw the democratic left as most effective when it followed the path of ‘visionary gradualism’(2) The world could use a spell of realism married to aspiration and hope”.
    (1,2) An interesting concept. History teaches that we only achieve reform in small steps. One big leap is a bad idea.

    Form another article. Protests, the left and the power of democracy – Sheri Berman
    Reflecting this wider shift, even deeply conservative publications, such as the National Review and The American Conservative, have recently run articles with titles like ‘Seven Reasons Police Brutality is Systemic not Anecdotal’ and ‘America Begins to See More Clearly Now What its Black Citizens Always Knew’. As one observer of race in the US noted, ‘When it comes to such a dramatic, almost on-the-spot change, I don’t think we’ve ever seen anything of this level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Oda Nobunaga View Post
    Okay? But this is just some kid reading poetry.

    Why did the standards change all of a sudden when Joe Biden assumed office?
    Trump barely did a racism, never really said anything about Black people. Said that ILLEGAL immigrants from Mexico and Latin America tend to be criminals, which they are. But now Joe Biden, who has said racist things about Black people is suddenly given a pass? Kamala Harris who is not popular among Black people, his own vice president, called him a racist but takes the job anyway.

    I am starting to think that this really is about White people wanting to make it about them. Really regretting saying anything about BLM, Woke Media (TM), "race theory", etc. This is just White people making up their own narratives and trying to coax minorities into supporting them politically.
    I mean I partially agree, but Trump did more of a racism than is usually acceptable, and his incoherent ranting emboldened some racists and enraged the downtrodden (and got ridden around by both sides as useful tools) more than usual. He definitely used rhetoric to increase ill feeling and, as in other arenas where he stoked anger through lies and incoherence, directly contributed to deaths.

    i hope Harris is as decent and well behaved as Pence, who conducted himself well despite entering into allaiance with what amounted to the opposite of Republican ideals. I mean Trump is a caricature of a sex crazed east coast establishment swampthing nightmare. Pence kept his dignity, cut the throat of Trumps weird Austin Powers-grade coup farce and will I guess retire reviled for doing the right thing.

    Harris gets to work with a degenerating apparatchik, the sort of incumbocratican whose business as usual approach led to the rage Trump tapped to get elected, on a platform of "HAVE YOU LEARNED YOUR LESSON YET PLEBS?" Maybe she can prevent Clinton infiltration of yet another regime, and replace creepy grandad with purple compromise.

    Biden has been as racist as Trump only because he's been serving since before Gettysburg when it was allowed, and he hasn't used racism from high office to get people run over for the benefit of Steve "the toadman" Bannon's wank bank. I hope ( yeah prolly in vain) she can do a Pence and replace a ****ing stiff with leadership. It's likely she will have more time to shine and maybe breathing space created by Trumps sheer uselessness to act.
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    In other news, Republicans are furious that the common rabble overcame their cheating and have vowed to cheat even harder.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...ter-bidens-win

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    I guess, its too late to realize you were trumped...

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1791365.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus
    Oh, I see. I guess you are a libertarian conservative?
    I’m whatever this is:

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    Basically, I’m doomed to be annoyed and depressed no matter who gets into office. I suppose the DNC might come closer to my politics if they manage to break out of their marriage of convenience with their Tea Party wing instead of trying to keep the latter away from political power with one hand while simultaneously portraying the same as a moral imperative just to whip votes and silence critics. They’d also need to commit to aggressive free trade and proactive national defense instead of triangulating their policy platform to attract socialists, trade unionists, isolationists, anti-US hipsters, anarchists and Marxists. In other words, it will never happen.
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    It's looking increasingly likely that Donald Trump will be acquitted again. According to the Mail, forty-five Senate Republicans, including McConnell, have voted that the trial is unconstitutional because Trump is no longer in office.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Morticia Iunia Bruti View Post
    I guess, its too late to realize you were trumped...

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1791365.html
    The only people who are, or were ever, taking Qanon seriously are leftists. It's hilarious to watch them chase straw men. But after four years of muh Russia what do we expect really...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    The only people who are, or were ever, taking Qanon seriously are leftists.
    Care to back that claim up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by irontaino View Post
    Care to back that claim up?
    Cnn breathless over qanon

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/20/tech/...ion/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    It's looking increasingly likely that Donald Trump will be acquitted again. According to the Mail, forty-five Senate Republicans, including McConnell, have voted that the trial is unconstitutional because Trump is no longer in office.
    I think for most Republicans this is a no-brain decision. If 70% or 80% of your constituents think the election was stolen, then you're an idiot for pushing impeachment. I doubt there would be more than half a dozen GOP Senators who would want to start a new term - knowing that there's another election in 2 years - kow-towing to a new Democrat establishment irrespective of the cause.

    The toughest place to be is for those few who want to take a run at the White House, who's best interests are served by Trump being impeached, but in order to secure his hold on the base, can't put their names to the impeachment.
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    I think the error is assuming the electorate is retarded. The "red pilled" contingent of Trump supporters aren't part of a Trump cult, or loyal to the GoP, they're populists. They understand that what is on offer to them through the mainstream political establishment is nothing more than managed decline through the TPP, NAFTA, Paris climate accords, etc. Trump was a glimmer of hope in the dark that these anti-American policies may be opposed. The corollary was Bernie Sanders back in 2015. The difference is that Bernie cucked to the establishment and his movement failed as a result. I would have loved to see what would have happened if Bernie's movement wouldn't have been killed in the cradle. Left and right populists have more in common than anyone who watches CNN as a habit could imagine. For the past 18 months I've been extremely interested to see what the results would be if they realized it.

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    I'll just park this here.

    Any party that has Marjorie Taylor Greene as an office-holder needs to ask itself questions.


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    Unlike what the media would lead the naive to think, Moscow Mitch obviously didn't "wink" that he will be OK with hitting Trump hard.
    45 senators voted that the trial is unconstitutional. Good luck getting the required numbers Democrats and McConnel was among them.

    I wonder if the journalists that were peddling that McConnel was silently supporting convicting Trump would admit they were hilariously wrong and try to do better.


    In good news for the Democrats, there is a good chance they will defeat Trump again in 2024!
    Rejoice!

    Meanwhile, between now and 2024 it will be a slugfest with Trump firing broadsides at his political opponents and there'll be a near-certain increase in far-rightwing terrorism. Welcome to the White Terror USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    I'll just park this here.

    Any party that has Marjorie Taylor Greene as an office-holder needs to ask itself questions.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...a/?arc404=true
    Why? She embodies Republicanism with her brave stance against those liars claiming they "lost children" in fake "school shootings", while leading the charge against the Satanic pedophile cabal that everyone famous but Trump is a member of and calling for the executions of all known or suspected Democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    Okay, and? I'm pretty sure the Qanon supporters who stormed the Capitol, and the ones in Congress take it seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irontaino View Post
    Okay, and? I'm pretty sure the Qanon supporters who stormed the Capitol, and the ones in Congress take it seriously.
    The argument goes something like this:

    -My side is always right because it's my side.

    -This person claims to be part of my side, yet has done something wrong/embarrassing/stupid.

    -Therefore, they must secretly be a liberal/Antifa/Deep State agent out to smear our good name! All evidence to the contrary has been faked!

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    https://rockysmith.net/2021/01/11/two-points-of-view/

    In late December, a resident of The Villages, a community for seniors in central Florida, submitted the icy letter below to Villages-News.com.
    I can relate. I feel her anger and indignation and share it. Huge numbers of Americans indeed have “monstrous beliefs.” And they feel free to act on them, thanks to being emboldened by an unhinged president and an insane political right wing.
    ———
    To the Editor:
    No, Biden’s rallies weren’t bigger. No, you didn’t see any Biden flags on houses or Biden bumper stickers on cars. No, you don’t know a single person on your street or at your church who supports Biden. But guess what? We’re here.

    Biden’s rallies were small because people who live in reality don’t want to expose themselves to the virus you continue to downplay or deny.
    We don’t fly Biden flags because we don’t want our houses burned down. We don’t put Biden bumper stickers on our cars because we want to avoid becoming targets for road rage. We don’t trust you. We decided to minimize our interactions with people who cannot be reasoned with. This is for our own safety.
    In private groups — where you’re not invited — we share our bewilderment of your descent into madness. We all have stories about how we’ve cut ties with you, our family and former friends, because we don’t want your hatred poisoning our social media streams. We can’t stand to listen to you vomiting the lies of your cult, day after day.
    You used to be different. We liked you. But now that we know what was inside you heart all along, we’ve decided you don’t deserve to know about our lives.
    We’ll skip family reunions, even after we get the vaccine. We’ll make up some excuse just to be polite. But in reality, we just don’t feel like sitting around eating potato salad and making small talk with people who have such monstrous beliefs.
    To all the brothers and aunts and cousins and dads and neighbors out there who just can’t wrap their heads around what this means going forward, know that these scars aren’t going away anytime soon. We won’t be reaching out, and we won’t be mending fences. Its not up to us to apologize for the wounds you have gleefully inflicted upon us and our friends.
    You poured the gasoline, you lit the match. You burned this to the ground. So if we seem different from now on, I guess we are, in a way. We’ve seen your truth laid bare, and we’re horrified. I hope Trump was worth it.
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    According to my local newspaper the Jackson Herald, county officials here and in several other Georgia counties received a threatening email just prior to the January 5 Georgia runoff election.
    The Herald was kind enough to share with us the text of the email, redacted for sensitive readers. Buckle up.
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    F_CKING HEAR THIS JACKSON COUNTY OR D!E
    This election is f_cking rigged. You all know it and all of you are COMPLICIT as F_CK! No one should vote for these corrupt RINOs who abandoned Trump and our party when he needed them the most, and when its clear something fishy as f_ck happened here.
    There is NO WAY Biden won the most votes in history. That is totally bullsh_t and self-evident. And then B_TCH McConnell wants to only give us $600 of OUR money when our businesses are dying? When even the DEMONcrats are pushing for more, your doing something WRONG.
    Even Pence has shown he’s just a big p_ssy that will roll over on Trump. Where the F_CK is the loyalty? WHAT F_CKING HAPPENED to our party??? This corrupt party has left our Moral Authority, lost its d_mn balls and forgotten its most loyal supporters.
    We cannot trust RINO Kemp or Loeffler or Perdue or ANYONE who is not 100% standing by OUR PRESIDENT. This sh_t is rigged, Trump called it MONTHS ago, and until Trump is guaranteed to be POTUS until 2024 like he should be, we will bring death and destruction to defend this country if needed and get our voices heard.
    Anything and anyone in this county that stands in his and our way is an enemy to us and DEMOCRACY. We need signature verification. We need a special session. We need a Constitutional Amendment to make sure this bullsh_t never happens again. Loeffler and Perdue and the rest of our state’s SH_TTY politicians have shown their true colors in November and are clearly NOT on the side of OUR PRESIDENT.
    We don’t need more power-hungry anti-democracy RINOs. Anyone who supports them or the COMMUNISTS can f_cking die. All of you and anyone who supports this vile sh_t. We are past playing nice. We’ll make the Boston bombings look like child’s play at the poll sites in this county. You just f_cking WAIT.
    This country was founded on righteous war, and if this is what is required of us to defend our very democracy, we will step forward. We will hit every poll site, government office and beyond until every RINO is out of office and Trump stays where he f_cking belongs.
    Whoever does not support OUR PRESIDENT does not deserve to call themselves a REPUBLICAN. You all are FAKER than the FAKE NEWS. F_CK Loeffler and Perdue and -lover Kemp and our Secretary of SH_T. Give us some d_mn integrity. We WILL secure our EXISTENCE from your twink agenda. Only state in the South that went to Biden? Yeah F_CKING right! Not suspicious at all!!
    Throw out the corruption immediately or we Patriots will END YOU all. And everyone who supports this SH_T. You have less than 3 days. LOOK UP TATP motherF_CKERS…we’re ready.
    (Note: TATP is triacetone triperoxide, an explosive.)
    ANYONE WHO VOTES FOR DEMONCRATS OR THESE CORRUPT-AS-F_CK RINOS PERDUE AND LOEFFER, who won’t support OUR RIGHTFUL PRESIDENT and loudly boycott this COUP of our party and country, are unworthy to live in this Great Country.
    Therefore ANYONE at these poll sites is worthy of our wrath. Detonations will occur at every polling site set up in this county. No one at these places will be spared unless and until Trump is guaranteed to be POTUS again… anyone who votes for either corrupt-as-F_CK party until then is a traitor to the Constitution and our greatest enemy. You will face our righteous wrath.
    You too f_cking bucktooth N_GGER ABRAMS and KORRUPT KEMP and ANY other SO-CALLED REPUBLICAN who supports this coup. DEATH TO THE SOCIALIST AND RINOS.
    If you think we’re bluffing, f_cking TRY us. Youve been warned. We will end you all. See you soon.
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