Nazi Punch - Youtube bans inherently discriminatory videos

[mongrel]

Sure, those aren't covered by freedom of speech..

Glad someone recognises this.

SThis, however, is.

How is that Holocaust denial? You need to brush up on your history. In Mussolini's Fascist Italy, Italian Jews were not deported. That's a fact. When they were, however, was after the collapse of Italy in 1943 due to allied invasions, which prompted the Germans to occupy Italy and set up a puppet regime under Rudolf Rahn, who commenced deportation of Jews. You could easily find this out by reading the wikipedia article you yourself linked:
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This is somewhat is similar to the situation in Hungary and Bulgaria, where the dictators refused to deport Jews who were their citizens, in the case of Hungary up until the Germans invaded it in 1944 and forced deportation.

And who was rescued and put in charge of the Republic of Salò? One Benito Mussolini.

[Infidel144]

And who was rescued and put in charge of the Republic of Salò? One Benito Mussolini.

Don't both of your links (one of which indicate that Mussolini was a puppet and that the actual power lay with the Germans?

[Heathen Hammer]

In all honesty, the main terrorist threat that we have is from the far-left. We just saw very recently a school shooting, where perp was the typical member of antifa. What are the odds that people who say "milkshakes all around" or "shoot the boar", while referring to attacks on Boer population in South Africa, wouldn't put their ideas into practice again? Worse part is that big tech seems to not care about "incitement of violence" if it is coming from the left. I recall reporting Russian antifa members to Russian government (thanks to anonymous FSB tip address), after seeing comments on Facebook about attacking a metal show that they thought is "right-wing" and Facebook deeming them as "not violating our terms of service", and actually found out they were arrested by Russian authorities (who viewed immediate threats of violence seriously).

[Toho]

I am torn by this.

On one hand it is nice that these people don't have a big platform to recruit people into their ideology simply because they need to feed themselves.
Then on the other hand how far will this go? What other next thing is "inherently discriminatory"? We all know it doesn't take much for people to be offended and people like these online crusades to find more validation in their own empty lives.

They should leave the videos up an only demonetize them and have the algorithm put videos from both sides appear. That way the viewer is exposed to both and maybe, just maybe, adopts a more nuanced opinion.

[nhytgbvfeco2]

Glad someone recognises this.

I don't think that anyone on this thread had said that calls to violence should be allowed.

And who was rescued and put in charge of the Republic of Salò? One Benito Mussolini.

Read your own link. It is described as a puppet state of the Germans, which means Mussolini had little to no say in it. As long as he ruled Italy, he didn't deport Jews. Still not enough? click on Socialist republic of Italy, it clearly says that while Mussolini was "Duce", Rudolf Rahn was the "Plenipotentiary", the definition of said term is "someone who has full powers".
Still unconvinced? go to the wiki page on Mussolini to the part about his term as "Duce" of the Italian social republic:

For about a year and a half, Mussolini lived in Gargnano on Lake Garda in Lombardy. Although he insisted in public that he was in full control, he knew that he was merely a puppet ruler under the protection of his German liberators—for all intents and purposes, the Gauleiter of Lombardy.^[170]Indeed, he lived under what amounted to house arrest by the SS, who restricted his communications and travel. He told one of his colleagues that being sent to a concentration camp was preferable to his puppet status.

Does this sound to you like a man in power?

[mongrel]

I don't think that anyone on this thread had said that calls to violence should be allowed.

No, but nice strawmanning. Someone on this thread seems to be confusing mass murder and calls for mass murder as being mere criticism of migration. We both know that.

Read your own link. It is described as a puppet state of the Germans, which means Mussolini had little to no say in it. As long as he ruled Italy, he didn't deport Jews. Still not enough? click on Socialist republic of Italy, it clearly says that while Mussolini was "Duce", Rudolf Rahn was the "Plenipotentiary", the definition of said term is "someone who has full powers".
Still unconvinced? go to the wiki page on Mussolini to the part about his term as "Duce" of the Italian social republic:

[/I]Does this sound to you like a man in power?

Don't both of your links (one of which indicate that Mussolini was a puppet and that the actual power lay with the Germans?

He could have said no.The worst that could happen was perhaps an honorable death, instead of being strung up, like gammonso to speak.

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

Typical right-wing revisionist propaganda:

Italian facism is not less horrible, because it killed no jews.

Italian Facists are equal horrible like Nazis, because they led an genocide in Yugoslavia against Slovenes:

Yugoslavia


Italian soldiers shooting Slovenian hostages from village Dane, Loška dolina


Documents found in British archives by the British historian Effie Pedaliu^[8] and documents found in Italian archives by the Italian historian Davide Conti,^[11] pointed out that the memory of the existence of the Italian concentration camps and Italian war crimes committed during the Spanish Civil War had been repressed due to the Cold War. The Province of Ljubljana in Slovenia saw the deportation of 25,000 people, which equaled 7.5% of its total population. The operation, one of the most drastic in Europe, filled up many Italian concentration camps, such as Rab, Gonars, Monigo, Renicci di Anghiari and elsewhere. The survivors received no compensation from the Italian state after the war. Over 3,500 internees died at Rab alone, giving it a mortality rate of 18%.^[12]
In early July 1942, Italian troops operating opposite Fiume, were reported to have shot and killed 800 Croat and Slovene civilians and burned down 20 houses near Split on the Dalmatian coast.^[13] Later that month, the Italian Air Force was reported to have practically destroyed four Yugoslav villages and killed hundreds of civilians in revenge for a local guerrilla attack that resulted in the death of two high-ranking officers.^[14] In the second week of August 1942, Italian troops were reported to have burned down six Croatian villages and shot dead more than 200 civilians in retaliation for guerrilla attacks.^[15] In September 1942, the Italian Army was reported to have destroyed 100 villages in Slovenia and killed 7,000 villagers in reprisal for local guerrilla attacks.^[16] R.J. Rummel estimates the number of civilians directly killed by the Italians in their occupied portions of Yugoslavia (presumably not counting the directly-annexed parts of Slovenia, the Dalmatian coast, and Istria) at a minimum of 5,000.^[17]

Mario Roatta: In 1941–1943, during the 22-month existence of the Province of Ljubljana, Roatta ordered the deportation of 25,000 people, which equaled 7.5% of the total population. The operation, one of the most drastic in Europe, filled up Italian concentration camps on the island of Rab, in Gonars, Monigo (Treviso), Renicci d'Anghiari, Chiesanuova and elsewhere. The survivors received no compensation from the Italian state after the war. He had, as the commander of the 2nd Italian Army in Province of Ljubljana, ordered besides internments also summary executions, hostage-taking, and burning of houses and villages,^[26][27] for which after the war the Yugoslav government sought unsuccessfully to have him extradited for war crimes. He was quoted as saying "Non dente per dente, ma testa per dente" ("Not a tooth for tooth but a head for a tooth"), while Robotti was quoted as saying "Non si ammazza abbastanza!" ("There are not enough killings") in 1942.^[28] "On 1 March 1942, he (Roatta) circulated a pamphlet entitled '3C' among his commanders that spelled out military reform and draconian measures to intimidate the Slav populations into silence by means of summary executions, hostage-taking, reprisals, internments and the burning of houses and villages. By his reckoning, military necessity knew no choice, and law required only lip service. Roatta's merciless suppression of partisan insurgency was not mitigated by his having saved the lives of both Serbs and Jews from the persecution of Italy's allies Germany and Croatia. Under his watch, the 2nd Army's record of violence against the Yugoslav population easily matched the German. Tantamount to a declaration of war on civilians, Roatta's '3C' pamphlet involved him in war crimes."^[27] One of Roatta's soldiers wrote home on July 1, 1942: "We have destroyed everything from top to bottom without sparing the innocent. We kill entire families every night, beating them to death or shooting them."^[29] As noted by Minister of Foreign Affairs in Mussolini government, Galeazzo Ciano, when describing a meeting with secretary general of the Fascist party who wanted Italian army to kill all Slovenes:


Italian Facists were also equal responsible for the brutal occupation of Greece like Nazi Germany:

Greece

A similar phenomenon took place in Greece in the immediate postwar years. The Italian occupation of Greece was often brutal, resulting in reprisals such as the Domenikon Massacre.[18] The Greek government claimed that Italian occupation forces destroyed 110,000 buildings and via various causes inflicted economic damage of $6 billion (1938 exchange rates)[19] while executing 11,000 civilians; in terms of the percentage of direct and indirect destruction this was almost identical to the figures attributed to German occupation forces.[20] The Italians also presided over the Greek famine while occupying the majority of the country, and along with the Germans were responsible for it by initiating a policy of wide-scale plunder of everything of value in Greece, including food for its occupation forces. Ultimately, the Greek famine led to the deaths of 300,000 Greek civilians.[21] Pope Pius XII, in a contemporary letter, directly blamed the Fascist Italian government for the deaths in addition to the Germans: "Axis authorities in Greece are robbing the starving population of their entire harvest of corn, grapes, olives, and currants; even vegetables, fish, milk, and butter are being seized... Italy is the occupying power and Italy is responsible for the proper feeding of the Greek people... after the war the story of Greece will be an indelible blot on the good name of Italy, at any rate Fascist Italy."[22]

After two Italian filmmakers were jailed in the 1950s for depicting the Italian invasion of Greece and the subsequent occupation of the country as a "soft war", the Italian public and media were forced to repress their collective memory. The repression of memory led to historical revisionism[23] in Italy and in 2003, the Italian media published Silvio Berlusconi's statement that Benito Mussolini only "used to send people on vacation".[24][25]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italia...mes#Yugoslavia

Not to mention the massmurder in Libya and Ethiopia:

Pacification of Libya
Libyan internees in the El Agheila concentration camp.

In 1923, Mussolini embarked upon a campaign to consolidate control over the Italian territory of Libya and Italian forces began occupying large areas of Libya to allow for rapid settlement by Italian colonists. They were met with resistance by the Senussi who were led by Omar Mukhtar. Civilians suspected of collaboration with the Senussi were executed. Refugees from the fighting were subject to bombing and strafing by Italian aircraft. In 1930, in northern Cyrenaica, 20,000 Bedouins were relocated and their land was given to Italian settlers. The Bedouins were forced to march across the desert into concentration camps. Starvation and other poor conditions in the camps were rampant and the internees were used for forced labour, ultimately leading to the death of nearly 4,000 internees by the time they were closed in September 1933.[1] Over 80,000 Cyrenaicans died during the Pacification in all.[2][3]

Second Italo-Ethiopian War

During the Second Italo-Ethiopian War, Italian violations of the laws of war were reported and documented.[4] These included the use of chemical weapons such as mustard gas, the use of concentration camps in counter-insurgency, and attacks on Red Cross facilities. According to the Ethiopian government, 382,800 civilian deaths were directly attributable to the Italian invasion. 17,800 women and children killed by bombing, 30,000 people were killed in the massacre of February 1937, 35,000 people died in concentration camps, and 300,000 people died of privations due to the destruction of their villages and farms. The Ethiopian government also claimed that the Italians destroyed 2,000 churches and 525,000 houses, while confiscating or slaughtering 6 million cattle, 7 million sheep and goats, and 1.7 million horses, mules, and camels, leading to the latter deaths.[5]

During the 1936–1941 Italian occupation, atrocities also occurred; in the February 1937 Yekatit 12 massacres as many as 30,000 Ethiopians may have been killed and many more imprisoned as a reprisal for the attempted assassination of Viceroy Rodolfo Graziani. A 2017 study estimated that 19,200 were killed - a fifth of the population of Addis Ababa. The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church was especially singled out. Thousands of Ethiopians also died in concentration camps such as Danane and Nocra.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italia...mes#Yugoslavia

But i guess not worse too, no jews, only muslims and blacks.

[Facupay]

It is more than reasonable to want incitement to terrorism and murder removed from social media.Likewise harassment and what have you. What is wrong with people? Whst kind of politically correct daftness suggests that white nationalist terrorism should be treated differently from any other form?

Because what "incites terrorism" and "white nationalist terrorism" seem to be very broad terms that the left abuses to silence opposition. In what way Steven Crowder -who is mostly a comedian- is a white nationalist terrorist?

[nhytgbvfeco2]

He could have said no.The worst that could happen was perhaps an honorable death, instead of being strung up, like gammonso to speak.

I don't think anyone asked him.

Typical right-wing revisionist propaganda:

Italian facism is not less horrible, because it killed no jews.

Italian Facists are equal horrible like Nazis, because they led an genocide in Yugoslavia against Slovenes

Never claimed they weren't as bad, was just correcting Mongrel.

[Heathen Hammer]

I am torn by this.

On one hand it is nice that these people don't have a big platform to recruit people into their ideology simply because they need to feed themselves.
Then on the other hand how far will this go? What other next thing is "inherently discriminatory"? We all know it doesn't take much for people to be offended and people like these online crusades to find more validation in their own empty lives.

They should leave the videos up an only demonetize them and have the algorithm put videos from both sides appear. That way the viewer is exposed to both and maybe, just maybe, adopts a more nuanced opinion.

The only rational solution is to recognize major media oligopolies as public utilities, since giving them right to deny someone platform based on political beliefs is essentially handing over political power to corporate CEOs, which is fatal for any democratic society.

[Toho]

The only rational solution is to recognize major media oligopolies as public utilities, since giving them right to deny someone platform based on political beliefs is essentially handing over political power to corporate CEOs, which is fatal for any democratic society.

Except what I said its not about political beliefs. It is about hysteria and the peddling of misinformation.
I am fine with them being public utilities but not all """""""""Opinions"""""""""" are not created equal.

[Heathen Hammer]

Except what I said its not about political beliefs. It is about hysteria and the peddling of misinformation.
I am fine with them being public utilities but not all """""""""Opinions"""""""""" are not created equal.

Which is exactly why we need free market of opinions and ideas, as opposed to giving authority on determining quality of ideas to profit-oriented entities that have ties to ruling elites.

[Toho]

Which is exactly why we need free market of opinions and ideas, as opposed to giving authority on determining quality of ideas to profit-oriented entities that have ties to ruling elites.

Just because you use sound bites doesn't make your goal realistic regardless if it is a good idea to begin with.

We have a huge problem with people profiting off of peddling misinformation, hate, fear and hysteria.
We are going to need some sort of control over who is allowed to be given a microphone over on reddit, youtube, facebook and etc...

[mongrel]

I don't think anyone asked him.

Would you like to be the head of the Italian Socialist Republic, btw you will have to accomodate the Wehrmacht and Gestapo?

Si.

Never claimed they weren't as bad, was just correcting Mongrel.

It was common or garden strawmanning. We know what the real point of the thread is.

Because what "incites terrorism" and "white nationalist terrorism" seem to be very broad terms that the left abuses to silence opposition. In what way Steven Crowder -who is mostly a comedian- is a white nationalist terrorist?

In your view, murdering people in churches and mosques and other public places to start a religious or race war and the ideologies underpinning that, that is 'opposition' Opposition to what exactly? Is there some kind of general demand from the public that we must have much more mass murder?

Steven Crowder as I understand it is just an arse, Is a private company compelled to give a 'comedian' a living? Or should he, like another other comedian earn his keep by being funny and entertaining?There can be only one answer to that.

Just because you use sound bites doesn't make your goal realistic regardless if it is a good idea to begin with.

We have a huge problem with people profiting off of peddling misinformation, hate, fear and hysteria.
We are going to need some sort of control over who is allowed to be given a microphone over on reddit, youtube, facebook and etc...

Exactly. And it needs to be done consistently.

[Infidel144]

He could have said no.The worst that could happen was perhaps an honorable death, instead of being strung up, like gammonso to speak.

So the answer to my question, would be a 'yes'. Both links you provided indicate Mussolini was a puppet, with no power and the Germans made the decisions. Rather like what the posters you are arguing with have said.

[Heathen Hammer]

Just because you use sound bites doesn't make your goal realistic regardless if it is a good idea to begin with.

We have a huge problem with people profiting off of peddling misinformation, hate, fear and hysteria.
We are going to need some sort of control over who is allowed to be given a microphone over on reddit, youtube, facebook and etc...

We don't really have a problem with "peddling misinformation, hate, fear and hysteria." (that's mainly just pro-establishment propaganda aimed at silencing opposing political views), our main problem is the fact that most of major social media outlets are controlled by corporate oligopolies who actively undermine society's ability to exchange ideas.
We don't need a government official, let alone a corporate entity, who would get to determine what can be said and what can not be said on the Internet, let free open debate determine whose opinions are right. It seems that silicon valley folks see open debate as a threat to their wacky neioliberal ideology, hence the recent wave of censorship.

[ioannis76]

A short video on tht real issue behind this:

Interesting, I just now got down to watching this. A group of "after work" drinking buddies of NY and Washignton who obviously don't do their homework are "credible", because they have the NY times logo. Here in Greece, people are wondering why the printed press is constantly losing ground as far as its credibility is concerned. Well, we can look at other countries and see why.
Since the NY Times won't do their homework, because to do so would mean that they would have to subscribe to views such as those put forth by Molyneux (to name but one), their only other option would be to discredit such views as "supremacist".

@mongrel.
I really can't stop laughing at the fact that you tried to call "holocaust denial" on me (seeing that your "arguments" such as they were, were in a very tight spot) and nhytgbvfeco2 gave your view the coup de grace.

In all honesty, the main terrorist threat that we have is from the far-left.

Exactly. And yes, it is actually the type of terrorism that police won't do anything about. You get arrested for wearing, for example a KK shirt (and for good reason), but it's ok to wear a (thinly veiled) "Kill all white men" logo on a shirt.

We are going to need some sort of control over who is allowed to be given a microphone over on reddit, youtube, facebook and etc...

"we" as in "we who call for drone strikes on people who disagree with us"? Nah, I don't think so. What is actually happening, it seems is that views such as those seen here are actually promoting the (reasonable) reaction of the people:
https://www.thelocal.de/20190612/far...andenburg-poll

Far-right AfD is strongest force in Brandenburg: Poll

I am sure that the antifa people should get some sort of credit for helping make this happen. Keep it up! If Antifa didn't exist, we would have to invent it! .

[nhytgbvfeco2]

Would you like to be the hald of the Italian Socialist Republic, btw you will have to accomodate the Wehrmacht and Gestapo?

Si.

Allow me to quote wikipedia once more, from the article on Mussolini:

Three days following his rescue in the Gran Sasso raid, Mussolini was taken to Germany for a meeting with Hitler in Rastenburg at his East Prussian headquarters. Despite public professions of support, Hitler was clearly shocked by Mussolini's disheveled and haggard appearance as well as his unwillingness to go after the men in Rome who overthrew him. Feeling that he had to do what he could to blunt the edges of Nazi repression, Mussolini agreed to set up a new regime, the Italian Social Republic

It was that or direct Nazi rule, seems like.

It was common or garden strawmanning. We know what the real point of the thread is.

Maybe, then again I'm not the one who brought up Mussolini in the first place.

[Facupay]

In your view, murdering people in churches and mosques and other public places to start a religious or race war and the ideologies underpinning that, that is 'opposition' Opposition to what exactly? Is there some kind of general demand from the public that we must have much more mass murder?

Steven Crowder as I understand it is just an arse, Is a private company compelled to give a 'comedian' a living? Or should he, like another other comedian earn his keep by being funny and entertaining?There can be only one answer to that.

Murdering people in mosques? What are you even talking about? This is about censorship and about the power of media corporations to limit free speech these days. If you are deplataformed from Youtube, Facebook and Twitter you are literally a media corpse unless you are already a part of the establishment. One would think that the left would be sensitive to this issue.

But before you twist my words and imply that I want a race war and I'm a dog-whistling nazi in cahoots with Richard Spencer, I am ok with censoring clear messages that directly incite violence, key words being CLEAR and DIRECT because while I greatly value freedom of speech, I understand the dangers of not limiting it at least a bit.

So, for example, saying that Carlos Maza is a "little faggot" is rude, but not something that should be censored. Saying that Carlos Maza is a "little faggot that should be raped" is something that should be censored. Saying "Islam is " is ok, saying "Islam is and therefore we should hang muslims" is not.

We need clear, objective rules to see what is hate speech or not depending on whether it is something that not only incites violence but was said with the purpose of inciting violence. If I criticize Obama's economic policy even in a completely respectful manner and then some nutjob goes and kills him because of my critique, should I be liable? No, that's insanity. There has to be clear intent on my part to incite violence because I can't be made liable for the actions of other people as easily.

So back to the case, the problem is that Crowder did not violate YT's Terms of Use with his little lover's quarrel with Maza because YT wisely has a more clear definition of hatespeech than the left. In fact, Maza's tweet about milkshaking rightist and making them fear organizing seems way, way closer to inciting violence than Crowder's petty personal insults.

Why did YT demonetize Crowder then? because while YT couldn't prove he had violated the Terms of Use and therefore ban him, they caved in to the pressure of VoX and Mainstream media to at least penalize him. This is extremely arbitrary and worrying in an age where these plataforms are essential for public discourse and I see this as a very dangerous precedent for the future where they become ever more relevant.

[mongrel]

Various stawmanners

Mussolini was a pussy, who let 10,000 Jews die. End of.

We don't really have a problem with "peddling misinformation, hate, fear and hysteria."

Of course you don't, how else are racists, so-called nationalist and other people how get their jollies off such things going to raise funds or exchange fantasies about beating up or murdering black people and women

random person Exactly. And yes, it is actually the type of terrorism that police won't do anything about. You get arrested for wearing, for example a KK shirt (and for good reason), but it's ok to wear a (thinly veiled) "Kill all white men" logo on a shirt.

Where can I buy this fabled T-shirt? No doubt the same place I get my unicorn dung and manticore steaks.

"we" as in "we who call for drone strikes on people who disagree with us"? Nah, I don't think so. What is actually happening, it seems is that views such as those seen here are actually promoting the (reasonable) reaction of the people:
https://www.thelocal.de/20190612/far...andenburg-poll

I'm anti the death penalty but if a terrorist or someone who promotes terrorism gets whats coming to them, I think 'meh is the proper response'. I'm curious to know why you thing race-based terrorism deserves a hall pass.Why is shooting up people in churches or mosques , or kids on holiday a '(reasonable) reaction of the people'.

Murdering people in mosques? What are you even talking about?

Christchurch was broadcast live on social media, Forgotten already? It was was the event which destroyed any credibility in the so called 'market of ideas' argument. Never mind the legal implications, when people decide to use social media to watch people being killed for sport then a line has been crossed.

I mentioned before, I don't give a about Crowder's career. An entertainer lives or dies by their material. YT have no more obligation to host his material, than they would of me daddy-dancing in a thong.