Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?
Originally Posted by
Aexodus
Dante, Jom, if we stay in the single market and customs union, what exactly are we leaving? The EU, yes, but what makes up the EU, in your opinions. For example, the parliament, the commission, EU law, the EU council etc.
Essentially, what is the narrowest possible way to leave the EU in the technical sense. What would that look like.
For me, its clear you've left the EU when you no longer have any direct ability to influence how it runs itself (I.e. move from rule-maker)*. Hence why no-one says that Norway is an EU member.
Being outside the EU, means Britain becomes a 'rule-taker' from someone, unless we join a new bloc (which is likely given the weird support for the TPP among some Tory backbenches early on, or indeed a Corbyn government who will see us in some form of customs union). As i posted earlier, very few people actually understand what trade deals are, and even fewer have seemingly bothered to look at what the globe is currently like, especially in relation to even a 'best-case' brexit Britain scenario- present company exempted of course here, but that is because we're all interested in politics. The media and politicians from all sides have been absolutely incompetent in actually telling people the bigger picture. For instance, getting a WTO schedule is a real issue currently for Britain due to our stance against several countries (and the interests of several ostensible allies such as the US potentially screwing us over- quite fairly of course on their part, i get why).
But to the original point- would i personally want merely single market access? Or to become a 'rule-taker?' - actually heck no. But it would be 'leaving the EU' in the actual sense.
*The addition no one wanted and no one asked for the reason i say ' move from rule-maker' and the UK not having the ability to influence is to issues i've described before about how trade deals, and naturally geopolitics and dependency/neo-imperial relations work (Neo-imperial being contentious, another way of saying it is literally that global super-powers, which the UK is not, and has no hope of being, in a multi-polar world- which does not allow 'neutrals' to playoff the two powers- its actually very bad for the 'normal' states like us having just one or indeed more than two potential superpowers, so 'true' sovereignty (as we might have expected prior to 1970 arguably at least) is beyond the UK's grasp, especially as the 'up and coming super-powers' are in the process of creating their own mini-EU's and the world is going protectionist- these are horrid circumstances for the UK, and it becomes a matter of who we should pin our flag to (or who pressures us into their fold), especially as the UK employs the 'lieutenant' geopolitical strategy- we need another power to channel our global role through, but we also need another further 'Great Power' to balance that super-power from dominating UK policy too much. We're currently very lucky this century that the US (To Europe at least) is a 'benign' superpower, this might change though, especially if the UK continues to have a bi-polar policy towards China). But TL/DR rule-taking thus is a fact of life outside the protection of some kind of large trade bloc, thus not being at table, means no longer being part of that body.
Last edited by Dante Von Hespburg; May 26, 2019 at 04:23 PM.
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