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  1. #921

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    No change of goal post on my mind. Voter suppression discussion never stemmed from voter id alone.



    Based the states Republicans carried in the last election, Florida, Louisiana, Missouri, South Carolina, North Carolina, Indianapolis, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota and Maine are not Republican states? Democrats should introduce laws to make paid election leave mandatory but they're not the ones trying to limit ways of voting in their states.
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  2. #922

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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    No change of goal post on my mind. Voter suppression discussion never stemmed from voter id alone.



    Based the states Republicans carried in the last election, Florida, Louisiana, Missouri, South Carolina, North Carolina, Indianapolis, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota and Maine are not Republican states? Democrats should introduce laws to make paid election leave mandatory but they're not the ones trying to limit ways of voting in their states.
    You have no basis for claiming that lack of a legal mandate requiring paid leave on election day amounts to voter suppression, and have given no examples of a bill that would prohibit employers from giving people paid leave on election day if they so choose - let alone an example of a Republican backed election bill that seeks to discriminate against racial minorities. Your spurious allegations and innuendo are irrelevant.
    Last edited by Lord Thesaurian; July 20, 2021 at 09:25 AM.
    Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII

  3. #923

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    Blue states that have no election leave regulations are the more populated ones, which is the point.

  4. #924

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Blue states that have no election leave regulations are the more populated ones, which is the point.
    That wasn't your point though. However, if you actually do the count, more people with no election leave live under Republicans than they do under Democrats. Florida with over 21 million being the most populated state under Republicans and Pennsylvania with over 13 million being the most populated under Democrats. Its also the Republicans that oppose making the election day a holiday which would make a large portion of voter suppression tactics moot.
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  5. #925

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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    That wasn't your point though. However, if you actually do the count, more people with no election leave live under Republicans than they do under Democrats. Florida with over 21 million being the most populated state under Republicans and Pennsylvania with over 13 million being the most populated under Democrats. Its also the Republicans that oppose making the election day a holiday which would make a large portion of voter suppression tactics moot.
    As much as I appreciate your insistence that your argument is moot and therefore irrelevant for all practical intents and purposes, you still haven’t given any evidence of these alleged racist voter suppression tactics you’ve referred to for the last couple pages now.
    Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII

  6. #926

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    The map he himself posted literally shows that majority of states with no voting leave are blue ones.

  7. #927

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    The map he himself posted literally shows that majority of states with no voting leave are blue ones.
    I love how you accused me of moving the goal post for making a reference to my initial argument and then you end up continuously moving your own goal post; from all the states with no leave for voting being Democratic states (wasn't true), to those that are Democratic being more populous than Republican ones (wasn't true), to now's Democratic ones being more in state count. You got that one, sure, there are 11 Democratic accounting for about 54 million people and 10 Republican states accounting for about 60 million people that do not have any leave rights for voting. Meanwhile, as was pointed out before, its Republicans, not Democrats, that try to limit ways of voting.
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  8. #928

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoVG
    Meanwhile, as was pointed out before, its Republicans, not Democrats, that try to limit ways of voting.
    So you keep insisting, including allegations of racism, without citing any evidence. If failing to require paid leave on election day has anything to do with voter suppression, then pretty much anything whatsoever that impedes people from voting, including things like voter registration and any other kind of verification, amounts to suppression. You’ve shifted the goalposts from claiming voter ID requirements are racially discriminatory to now removing the issue of voting requirements from anything going on in the public discourse.
    Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII

  9. #929

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thesaurian View Post
    So you keep insisting, including allegations of racism, without citing any evidence. If failing to require paid leave on election day has anything to do with voter suppression, then pretty much anything whatsoever that impedes people from voting, including things like voter registration and any other kind of verification, amounts to suppression. You’ve shifted the goalposts from claiming voter ID requirements are racially discriminatory to now removing the issue of voting requirements from anything going on in the public discourse.
    Fewer than half the states which have some form of election leave (according to the map) went Democrat in 2020 (12/28). Necessarily, more than half of the states which had no election leave went Democrat in 2020 (12/20). If any inference can be drawn from this, its that states with accomodating voting laws were more likely to go red than blue. This shows the opposite of Setekh's thesis.



  10. #930

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    Fewer than half the states which have some form of election leave (according to the map) went Democrat in 2020 (12/28). Necessarily, more than half of the states which had no election leave went Democrat in 2020 (12/20). If any inference can be drawn from this, its that states with accomodating voting laws were more likely to go red than blue. This shows the opposite of Setekh's thesis.
    Care to point out this thesis of mine?
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  11. #931

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    Fewer than half the states which have some form of election leave (according to the map) went Democrat in 2020 (12/28). Necessarily, more than half of the states which had no election leave went Democrat in 2020 (12/20). If any inference can be drawn from this, its that states with accomodating voting laws were more likely to go red than blue. This shows the opposite of Setekh's thesis.
    Not having paid election day leave doesn’t count if it’s in Democrat states, because they are good and Republicans are bad (post 921). What I’ve been trying to find out is what factual basis there is for that standard.
    Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII

  12. #932

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thesaurian View Post
    Not having paid election day leave doesn’t count if it’s in Democrat states, because they are good and Republicans are bad (post 921). What I’ve been trying to find out is what factual basis there is for that standard.
    Apparently an absence of election leave forms part of the debate on alleged Republican voter suppression even though a majority of states with election leave voted Republican. And this really typifies the wider discussion in that it isn't obvious what impact (if any) recent electoral reform laws will have.



  13. #933

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    Apparently an absence of election leave forms part of the debate on alleged Republican voter suppression even though a majority of states with election leave voted Republican. And this really typifies the wider discussion in that it isn't obvious what impact (if any) recent electoral reform laws will have.
    Pointing out inconvenient facts like that certainly isn’t very cash money of you. Speaking of which:
    Texas Democrats may have infected Pelosi and White House aides, dimming prospects for Biden meeting

    Six of the fugitives from the Texas House have tested positive for Covid-19 but the rest still want to sit down with the president on voting rights.

    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/poli...biden-meeting/
    Crenshaw put it best:
    Imagine if 50 GOP state reps skipped work, drank beer on a private jet while ignoring federal mask mandates, held a press conference to spread flagrant lies that’ve been debunked, and then infected the Speaker’s Office and White House with COVID. Just imagine.

    https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX
    Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII

  14. #934

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    "Imagine if , you wouldn't like THAT, huh?" * last words of a guy before being executed with a firing squad *
    The main problem of conservatives is the fact that they constantly say and act in assumption that there is some kind of benevolent objective moderating force that will fix things once they prove that the other side is hypocritical. The reason why neolibs and even "democratic socialist" Beijing's fifth column enjoy a degree of power and control is because they are not infatuated with idealism and brazenly play to win by any means necessary. They violate their own laws and regulations and openly act as they want because they can and then accuse Conservatives of doing what they themselves are doing. Conservatives, on the other hand, trapped themselves inside a cage of 1700s Enlightenment mythology, by which they'd rather lose politically then violate some silly liberal principle, thus giving a clear advantage to nobody, but their own enemies.
    Conservative thought( in what Crenshaw said) is somewhat analogous to some guy refusing to own a gun out of some silly moralistic pacifistic principle, and then complaining when he gets robbed and assaulted. Someone should tell him to read Prince by Machivaelli.

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    Hmmm, a little insight on why Chairman's Xiden's handlers are always directing him to get some ice cream:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...ice_cream.html

  16. #936

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    "Imagine if , you wouldn't like THAT, huh?" * last words of a guy before being executed with a firing squad *
    The main problem of conservatives is the fact that they constantly say and act in assumption that there is some kind of benevolent objective moderating force that will fix things once they prove that the other side is hypocritical. The reason why neolibs and even "democratic socialist" Beijing's fifth column enjoy a degree of power and control is because they are not infatuated with idealism and brazenly play to win by any means necessary. They violate their own laws and regulations and openly act as they want because they can and then accuse Conservatives of doing what they themselves are doing. Conservatives, on the other hand, trapped themselves inside a cage of 1700s Enlightenment mythology, by which they'd rather lose politically then violate some silly liberal principle, thus giving a clear advantage to nobody, but their own enemies.
    Conservative thought( in what Crenshaw said) is somewhat analogous to some guy refusing to own a gun out of some silly moralistic pacifistic principle, and then complaining when he gets robbed and assaulted. Someone should tell him to read Prince by Machivaelli.
    Reading the word of God is more profitable.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Psalm 37
    Of David

    1 Do not fret because of those who are evil
    or be envious of those who do wrong;
    2 for like the grass they will soon wither,
    like green plants they will soon die away.

    3 Trust in the Lord and do good;
    dwell in the land and enjoy safe pasture.
    4 Take delight in the Lord,
    and he will give you the desires of your heart.

    5 Commit your way to the Lord;
    trust in him and he will do this:
    6 He will make your righteous reward shine like the dawn,
    your vindication like the noonday sun.

    7 Be still before the Lord
    and wait patiently for him;
    do not fret when people succeed in their ways,
    when they carry out their wicked schemes.

    8 Refrain from anger and turn from wrath;
    do not fret—it leads only to evil.
    9 For those who are evil will be destroyed,
    but those who hope in the Lord will inherit the land.

    10 A little while, and the wicked will be no more;
    though you look for them, they will not be found.
    11 But the meek will inherit the land
    and enjoy peace and prosperity.

    12 The wicked plot against the righteous
    and gnash their teeth at them;
    13 but the Lord laughs at the wicked,
    for he knows their day is coming.

    14 The wicked draw the sword
    and bend the bow
    to bring down the poor and needy,
    to slay those whose ways are upright.
    15 But their swords will pierce their own hearts,
    and their bows will be broken.

    ...

    39 The salvation of the righteous comes from the Lord;
    he is their stronghold in time of trouble.
    40 The Lord helps them and delivers them;
    he delivers them from the wicked and saves them,
    because they take refuge in him.


    When a man drops his moral principles for the sake of "practicality", he is confessing that what he wants to practice is morally indefensible.

    And when he encourages you likewise to abandon your moral principles and to give yourself over to the pursuit of power for its own sake and at whatever cost to your soul -- you can be sure he doesn't have your best interests at heart. "For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?" (Mark 8:36)

    Which "silly, liberal" principles would you have conservatives abandon? Individual liberty, free markets, impartial rule of law -- the very principles which define the conservative movement?

    Maybe conservatives should drop our opposition to abortion. After all, most of its victims would have grown up to vote Democrat. Only a RINO chump would be against killing future Democrat voters.

    Principles which define the conservative movement aren't really principles if they can be set aside the moment they stand in the way of gaining power; they're merely a list of preferences that have no actual bearing on the movement. When that happens, it's no longer a conservative movement, just people who want power at any cost.

    If someone is willing to drop his conservative principles for the sake of gaining power, then what he stands for is not conservatism but power-worship. In other words, he's just another leftist.
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  17. #937

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodromos View Post
    Reading the word of God is more profitable.



    When a man drops his moral principles for the sake of "practicality", he is confessing that what he wants to practice is morally indefensible.

    And when he encourages you likewise to abandon your moral principles and to give yourself over to the pursuit of power for its own sake and at whatever cost to your soul -- you can be sure he doesn't have your best interests at heart. "For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?" (Mark 8:36)

    Which "silly, liberal" principles would you have conservatives abandon? Individual liberty, free markets, impartial rule of law -- the very principles which define the conservative movement?

    Maybe conservatives should drop our opposition to abortion. After all, most of its victims would have grown up to vote Democrat. Only a RINO chump would be against killing future Democrat voters.

    Principles which define the conservative movement aren't really principles if they can be set aside the moment they stand in the way of gaining power; they're merely a list of preferences that have no actual bearing on the movement. When that happens, it's no longer a conservative movement, just people who want power at any cost.

    If someone is willing to drop his conservative principles for the sake of gaining power, then what he stands for is not conservatism but power-worship. In other words, he's just another leftist.
    Because if your principles dictate that you abandon your people's interests, then those principles aren't worth a dime.
    Individual liberty, free markets, impartial rule of law - all of that is lost because conservatives treat politics like some kind of little league sports game by constantly ceding ground to cosmopolitan elites, while the latter cedes no ground and takes as much as it can get.
    This deep state (conglomerate of corporate and intelligence groups) aren't your opponents in a friendly sports game, it is an existential threat to the Western civilization and humanity in general.
    Unless conservatives start treating them as such, they will continue to lose until another powerful group rises up to counter these enemies of humanity in a more meaningful way.

  18. #938

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodromos View Post
    Reading the word of God is more profitable.



    When a man drops his moral principles for the sake of "practicality", he is confessing that what he wants to practice is morally indefensible.

    And when he encourages you likewise to abandon your moral principles and to give yourself over to the pursuit of power for its own sake and at whatever cost to your soul -- you can be sure he doesn't have your best interests at heart. "For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?" (Mark 8:36)

    Which "silly, liberal" principles would you have conservatives abandon? Individual liberty, free markets, impartial rule of law -- the very principles which define the conservative movement?

    Maybe conservatives should drop our opposition to abortion. After all, most of its victims would have grown up to vote Democrat. Only a RINO chump would be against killing future Democrat voters.

    Principles which define the conservative movement aren't really principles if they can be set aside the moment they stand in the way of gaining power; they're merely a list of preferences that have no actual bearing on the movement. When that happens, it's no longer a conservative movement, just people who want power at any cost.

    If someone is willing to drop his conservative principles for the sake of gaining power, then what he stands for is not conservatism but power-worship.
    A little late for that. Most US conservatives have overwhelmingly and enthusiastically sacrificed everything they once claimed to believe in at the altar of Trump for just a small taste of their old power and influence:

    -They used to believe in the rule of law, then demanded that Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, and dozens more be jailed without charges or trial for running against or angering Trump.

    -They used to be very suspicious of government intervention in the economy. But then Trump wanted protectionist tariffs and other forums cronyism that allow the government to pick and choose who will prosper, and suddenly the right-wing economists who lamented the poor having access to healthcare went silent.

    -They used to pride themselves on being rational compared to "pie-in-the-sky" liberals. But then Trump made them a bunch of crazy promises that he could rearrange the nation to their liking and fix their lives for them quickly and easily and suddenly anyone who asked questions was an enemy.

    -They used to pride themselves on their morality and old-fashioned values, then tossed them all aside for a man who embodies everything they claimed to loathe. A malicious, narcissistic bully with no core values, no moral compass, no decency, no sense of honor and whose word is definitely not his bond, but was willing to tell them the sweet lies they all wanted to hear-that their failings were the fault of someone else.

    -They used to believe in free and fair elections, until their candidate didn't win. Then they wanted Trump to suspend the Constitution and become a dictator to soothe their hurt feelings.

    I have no doubt that if Trump were to say "I've paid for a dozen abortions.", the anti-abortion movement on the political right would disappear in an instant, and you Prodromos would be expected to abandon your views or risk being labeled a deep-state RINO communist and cast out.

    So what's left? What does conservatism even stand for anymore beyond "Trump is a victim who needs all of your money"? What policies does it represent other than "Hurt all non Republicans"?

  19. #939

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    Above posts excellently illustrates why principled stance by conservatives is beyond pointless - you can make compromises and cede ground all you want, they will still make up a bunch of hysterical falsehoods about you, call you a "Nazi" and want you and people you represent dead.
    Conservatives have to realize that they are not playing a good faith sports game, they are fighting for the fate of their nation, nation that globalist neoliberalism intends to exploit and then destroy what is left.
    You can't keep compromising with existential threats.
    Last edited by Heathen Hammer; July 23, 2021 at 08:28 AM.

  20. #940

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    The GOP is a vessel of political power. It will abandon any position – no matter how long held - which it perceives as an electoral liability. That is playing to win. Claims about the party’s alleged commitment to “principles” or “constitutionality” are platitudes at best.



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