Thread: Death of George Floyd and Subsequent Riots.

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    How is the juror in question being partial?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    The Sixth Amendment guarantees a right to an impartial jury. A juror who has lied (allegedly) on the questionnaire and has openly expressed a sentiment suggesting the defendant's guilt prior to the trial is unlikely to be impartial.
    So you agree that any minority who was tried by white people also had their 6th amendment violated because of the systemic racism all whites participate in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gromovnik View Post
    How is the juror in question being partial?
    From a human standpoint no juror is impartial. It’s a matter of whether he was at an MLK Anniversary March or it was converted to something else in his opinion as he answered the questions.

    But no juror is impartial and any judge that tries to say they are is naive. There has been rulings that both prosecution and defense get to be aware of their leanings before the trial however.

    From the defense attorney side, if he’s not throwing wet pasta at the wall to see what sticks he’s not doing his job. Get the frak over it.
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    I'm quite satisfied with the sentence, the guy got what he deserved. This was an important court decision and i hope it has a lasting effect in form of a reform of policing in the US. I suppose he's getting a minimum of 12.5 years, so hopefully something around 18 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    It’s a matter of whether he was at an MLK Anniversary March or it was converted to something else in his opinion as he answered the questions.
    What's wrong with an MLK Anniversary March?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gromovnik View Post
    What's wrong with an MLK Anniversary March?
    In my opinion, historically? Nothing. It's a matter of whether he as a juror thought he was at a MLK March or at some BLM march and answered it as such on the questionnaire.

    This may shock you, but they expect you to tell the truth on these forms to the point that it's a crime not to.

    Might not do a damn bit of good for Chauvin. But may hurt the juror depending on how things come down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    In my opinion, historically? Nothing. It's a matter of whether he as a juror thought he was at a MLK March or at some BLM march and answered it as such on the questionnaire.

    This may shock you, but they expect you to tell the truth on these forms to the point that it's a crime not to.
    Ah, so for some reason not being a racist is a disqualifying fact in the eyes of Chauvin's defence team? I mean, it makes sence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gromovnik View Post
    Ah, so for some reason not being a racist is a disqualifying fact in the eyes of Chauvin's defence team? I mean, it makes sence.
    Meh. It's more about the case than it is racism.

    Though if the defense got themselves caught dismissing all for nothing African American jurors then your post might be for something. But that's on them. Not me.
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    Federal charges against all the officers involved for hate crimes and more. Seems they were guilty. Society has spoken.

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    To clarify: none of the officers involved have been charged with "hate crimes".
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    You would know. I defer.

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    Anyone who did a cursory Google search would know. The DoJ released a statement regarding the federal charges.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    Anyone who did a cursory Google search would know. The DoJ released a statement regarding the federal charges.

    Oh, I see, you thought I wrote Hate Crime not hate crime. Your B.

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    The allegations relate to the excessive use of force by a law officer; they are not even descriptively "hate crimes".



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    The allegations relate to the excessive use of force by a law officer; they are not even descriptively "hate crimes".
    One would have thought you understood hate better.

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    A report by the Interior Office found that the protest at Lafayette Park in 2020 was not cleared by police for a Trump photo op at St John's church. Liberal news outlets had rushed to accuse the president of ordering an unnecessary, forceful dispersion of the demonstrators to take a photograph at the church. (NPR, NBC, WaPo).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    A report by the Interior Office found that the protest at Lafayette Park in 2020 was not cleared by police for a Trump photo op at St John's church. Liberal news outlets had rushed to accuse the president of ordering an unnecessary, forceful dispersion of the demonstrators to take a photograph at the church. (NPR, NBC, WaPo).
    Most religious leaders of note in the US condemned the photo op period and it wasn’t just the big liberal news outlets who so reported. You familiar with a rag called

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bar...rotest-remarks

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    The Fox article attempts to present the conflicting versions of events (as they were known at the time) in a manner consistent with objective reporting:

    There have been differing accounts about who gave the order and why.

    Some vocal anti-Trump critics, like Episcopal bishop Mariann Budde, claimed Trump himself "sanctioned" having the park cleared so he could participate in a photo op at St. John's Church.

    But a local news outlet in D.C. reported Tuesday that sources at the U.S. Park Police told them the park was cleared because some protesters were attacking police officers.

    And while many critics claimed tear gas was used, the Park Police told WTOP it was smoke canisters that were deployed.

    Later Tuesday, the Park Police went on the record to deny that tear gas was used, while also saying “violent protestors” began throwing projectiles including “bricks, frozen water bottles and caustic liquids” before officers dispersed the crowd.

    “No tear gas was used by USPP officers or other assisting law enforcement partners to close the area at Lafayette Park,” United States Park Police acting Chief Gregory T. Monahan said.
    The cited NPR and NBC articles were solely interested in disseminating the narrative (now contested by the Interior Office investigation) that peaceful protesters had been violently dispersed to facilitate a photo op. The cited WaPo article used the incident primarily as an excuse to print a banal comparison between Trump and Putin based on the militarization of the capitol complex (a perspective which was conveniently forgotten when 20,000 troops occupied the area for Biden's inauguration).

    Of course, Biden and Harris themselves were quick to jump on the hysteria and amplify it:

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    Fox News is known the world over for its fair and balanced reporting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enoch View Post
    Fox News is known the world over for its fair and balanced reporting.
    This is an easy accusation to make. When in fact, Fox News' reporting is fairly accurate. They syndicate Reuters and Associated press for news articles.

    Their bias lies in their editorial content, the emphasis they give to particular stories over others, and the slant they add to straight news articles through emotive article headers.

    And in this they are probably better for bias than say CNN (their closest competitor in the space) - who don't use syndicated news and thus also add a slant to their article content.
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