Carthage

[mdibatti]

Currently invading Carthage and I've got to say, so far they've been a push over. Could just be my game, but I was expecting more of a fight from them. I've taken about 4 of their settlements over the course of about 6-10 years and they really haven't done anything to stop me......sent a couple stacks my way, but that's about it.

They got nothing compared to Gaul, Greece, Macedon, Germans. Like I said, could just be my particular game, but I was expecting more.

[Underoath]

Currently invading Carthage and I've got to say, so far they've been a push over. Could just be my game, but I was expecting more of a fight from them. I've taken about 4 of their settlements over the course of about 6-10 years and they really haven't done anything to stop me......sent a couple stacks my way, but that's about it.

They got nothing compared to Gaul, Greece, Macedon, Germans. Like I said, could just be my particular game, but I was expecting more.

In my Roman campaign I had trouble beating Hannibal. I just couldn't do it no matter what I sent. I must have sent about 4 stacks at his 1 stack (not all at the same time) and I finally beat him with the last one after one of my archers shot him down, haha.

[lt1956]

Carthage AI is Hardcoded for some reason. I know RTR a while back tried everything under the SUN to get Carthage to be more aggressive. It just seems CA hardcoded them maybe to try to make it historical? I have no idea, but Carthage will never be real agressive except when out of Africa.

All one can do is boost the Strength of the units and really I think they are well balanced already. Basically dont Forget Carthage was NEVER meant to fight your Republican and Imperial Legions, they were designed from Premarius units then they give you a challenge.

[mdibatti]

Yeah, hannibal gave me a run for my money too....he always does

But after that, they are basically sterile. Couple stacks here and there, but not too much of a challenge, even with pre-marian troops.

I think they are well balanced too, case in point, hannibals army They are shaking things up in Spain, but in Africa they are just giving me their land.

Tell you the truth, this is probably the first time I've ever spent much time with Carthage in any game....usually I'm having too much problems holding off everyone up north of Italy!

[jegui]

But after that, they are basically sterile. Couple stacks here and there, but not too much of a challenge, even with pre-marian troops.

I agree on this but I'm strugglying to conquer all regions in Africa due to the distance factor... Although Carthage doesn't throw all its stack at us the, more we venture in their lands the more our generals become less loyal and the more the newly conquered cities become aggressive They also hide 1 or 2 stacks of vet troops with elephants for each of their cities

It's been almost 12 years since I started invading Africa and only now I'm going for the final push for the last 2/3 regions... My invasion started with 6 imperial and 2 auxilia legions and they have been bogged down by unrest and garrisoning cities... in overall I lost 2 eagles one to the last carthaginian stronghold (TINGIS) and the other taken by a traitor general who joined the Roman rebels... All but one legions are more than half depleted and filled by sword auxilia

To complicate things the carthaginian navy rules the Med with hundreds of ships and I have lost some precious reinforcements together with some of my relatives

[-|I_L|-Empire]

With me, Hannibal caused many problems in Sicily, he was defeated when trying to siege Messena once, then he took it in a second assault. He left it and regrouped, or at least he appeared to regroup as when I sent a pre-marian force (not Legionary) it got completely owned!

After some time of holding off against the Gallic attacks I managed to get the Ist Legion of Rome and the recently proved Legio III (having defeated the Rebel Gladiator army) who retook Messena and defeated Hannibal in a joint Battle to the Western slopes of the Volcano.

After that I grouped up 3 Legions and invaded the homeland and took Carthage, I dug in awaiting counter attacks but they never came. Legio III moved south and ended up being attacking by 2 large Carthaginian forces, I managed to achieve a Heroic Victory placed on the map! That was Carthage's might in Africa gone.
How ever when it came to the invasion of Carthaginian-Spain, I almost lost the IIIrd Legion. But I regrouped and the Marian reformed went by (year is 190 something BC at this time) and most of the Legions were changed, but I couldn't get any to Spain. So I built up Legion I, III, VII and VIII and 2 more with auxilia troops along with the remaining pre-marius units and attacked East and North in a large Group, won 2 battles, loosing 1 force and another lost half of its men. Took a settlement but lost a force which had to stay and keep the peace.
Slowly they got ground down, but Carthage lost its family members and so the rest of the provinces lost their banners and became Rebels. That is Carthage over with for me.

Hannibal was the main Military threat from them, but unrest is what what hurt the most in Spain, that and some large armies they had managed to build up.

I think Carthage should get maybe Hannibal, and another 3 full armies to start with, 2 in Africa and 1 in Spain.
What I do not get is why I hear of factions like the Selucids being destroyed, it appears Parthia took over their territories, Egypt has grown, Greece destroyed Macedon and Germania may have taken a settlement from Skythia, but I do not see Gaul and Germania at war, is that coded against, like in vanila Rome I saw the Britons invading Gaul at some points.

Also Carthage has loads of Rebel lands in Spain which I have not seen them try and take?

[lt1956]

So how are your generals rebelling? just curious as I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS WORKING RIGHT. Are you fighting alot with one general or is that general getting bad traits? Or are the cities turning rebel with the generals with them?

[jegui]

So how are your generals rebelling? just curious as I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS WORKING RIGHT. Are you fighting alot with one general or is that general getting bad traits? Or are the cities turning rebel with the generals with them?

I posted my feedback in the thread 'Loyalty in SPQR feedback'. In this case my general had 3 loyalty rings and he was commanding the spearhead legion of my invasion force (LEGIO XX: VALERIA VICTRIX). During AI turn he was bribed into the roman rebels because he was too deep and isolated in enemy territory and surrounded by 2/3 carthaginian armies... I guess he had bad traits as well

[Samariten]

Yea Carthage isnt very aggresive, Hannibal hasnt invaded southern italy in any campign i played so far as roman faction.

"Off topic"
Playing as Carthage i was unlucky to face the rebel army in southern italy and Hannibal died in that battle only 18 years old hehe....

[-|I_L|-Empire]

Yea, If you pull out of Sicily to regroup or anything, Carthage opposes no further threat till you invade their territories!

[Pan]

I had some nice battles against Carthage in my curent campaign...i lost only the Messana battle in this struggle. Then i manged to make peace with the Gauls after killing 3 stacks of them in the north with my starting armies. The 3 years of "peace" allowed me to send 5 Armies against Carthage: 2 in Sicilly, 2 in Spain and one in Sardinia. Indeed they wheren't a challenge, after encoutering 3 of their armies, and a few sieges i took 5 cities from them... They actually did a good job when taking Syracusa from the Greeks (spared me of the Spartans ). I gotta say their garrisons did the most victims to my invading forces.

[GaussSoldier]

My war with Carthage has only been one city's worth so far. 2 field battles and 1 siege is all I got out of them. However, my takeover of Spain is coming to an end and I my have to take the fight to them if I believe I can hold out against the Greeks in the East.

I'm going to get Imperial legions soon so the fight so be easy.

[-|I_L|-Empire]

I believe Darth Mod has mastered the AI intelligence and had managed to get AI factions to send armies via ship to counter attack you, or at least I read about someone invading somewhere, and taking a settlement the enemy send a large force via ship and retook it!

I am impressed by the Greeks who managed to take Scythia's settlement around the Crimea!

[lt1956]

Not unless he is using BI.exe. Their isnt much to change on Campaign AI its hardcoded mostly. lol As to battlefield AI a little more can be done with that and Darth as pioneered that area. But still some claims alot in the mod field dont support as evidence.

As for Invasions, for Sicilia Carthage will send an invasion fleet to take a city back, unless they have No cities their at all. Basically this is how the CAMPAIGN AI works.

IF the AI owns a province in the area they will attack and also send invasion fleets to support. I noticed this when I gave a province in Italy to Carthage. But once they LOSE it, they lose interest and Never attack it again.

While True the AI will dO invasions in BI, i HAVE FOUND IN TESTING that they do not always attack and most of teh time sit there and do nothing, sometimes they do attack, but either way Invasions are Bugged in 1.5 and BI. Dont know about alexander, but what i HEAR its not a good platform for a Roman mod as they removed certain Roman formations etc. Turtle etc.

[-|I_L|-Empire]

KK, just I would really like to see some power actually invade me, and I mean atm I share no borders with Greece and my Legions are in Gaul/Spain, Northern Italy and Southern Italy.
It would be interesting to see them invade Africa, or I would like to see and AI faction try and take over the map!

"I know its off the this game and a bit old now, but in the game Imperial Glory for those who know wot it is, I was Great Britain, took the Western side of France, Spain and Portugal down to Morocco, Began to Push East and allied myself with Prussia, France and Austria were destroyed and Russia had conquered the whole Eastern Side of the map!" Now in Rome, I would like to see a faction do that, take over the map opposing a huge threat to my own plans!

[Jonathold]

"I know its off the this game and a bit old now, but in the game Imperial Glory for those who know wot it is, I was Great Britain, took the Western side of France, Spain and Portugal down to Morocco, Began to Push East and allied myself with Prussia, France and Austria were destroyed and Russia had conquered the whole Eastern Side of the map!" Now in Rome, I would like to see a faction do that, take over the map opposing a huge threat to my own plans!

I love that game I like the rank system in it, but I hate how small the units are, and how few there are you can field in battle. That and each empire really only has a few units :/ That game reminds me of the good ole days in MTW

[Goddy Of woof]

i thought the faction ai is the same, have you try to move carthage at greece and move greece to carthage, see what happens

[miki]

Naval invasions?

Thats the thing I like the most in M2TW (patched to 1.02). Playing as Spain, campaign difficulty set to Medium or Hard, the AI regularly invades my coasts. I have suffered naval invasions from Sicily, The Papal States, Moors, Portugal, England, Danes and Scotland while playing the SAME campaign. A few of the landing armies were full stacks of 20 units, but most of them were half stacks of 10-12 units mainly. It forces you to keep some strong garrisons in your mainland actually and to build a watchtower system in your coast line...

[Ven0m1985]

just a question but was hannibal to young to be in the first punic war he was raised in iberia.

[lt1956]

Yes Hannibal was too young to be in the first punic war. But its a game and we are stuck with the turn limits. Shame they didnt go with 4 turns like they planned, they said teh AI didnt perform well, and as you can see in SPQR and other mods that isnt true! They also had a detailed time system in RTW they never used. Its used in SPQR and that is why it changes time on the battles in SPQR. ;-)

Really the Biggest problem is NO SEA Battles, they could have just had Ships and no men, but they didnt bother, rather lazy IMO they are out to make money and that is all. I wished the didnt diactivate the Food in the game, that would have been a nice touch.