View Poll Results: What faction[s] do the best?

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  • England

    19 16.67%
  • France

    14 12.28%
  • HRE

    22 19.30%
  • Venice

    18 15.79%
  • Spain

    21 18.42%
  • Milan

    49 42.98%
  • Sicily

    9 7.89%
  • Papal States

    8 7.02%
  • Hungary

    8 7.02%
  • Poland

    34 29.82%
  • Russia

    5 4.39%
  • Denmark

    36 31.58%
  • Scotland

    3 2.63%
  • Byzantine Empire

    11 9.65%
  • Portugal

    7 6.14%
  • Turks

    17 14.91%
  • Moors

    6 5.26%
  • Egypt

    28 24.56%
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    Default What nations do the best

    I want to get a general idea of what factions do the best most often in your campaigns. For me, it is Egypt, Poland, Milan, most of the time. There are others, but lets see what the averages are. Choose the ones that do the best. For example since france usually gets crushed, I don't expect very many votes for them, don't vote for all of them, lol.

    This is mainly for balancing purposes for my own sake, but it will be useful.

    Oh and, don't count the times a faction wins because you were playing them. This is about how the AI does.
    Last edited by Garnier; May 16, 2007 at 06:53 PM.


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    I would have to say the Italian city states, especially Milan. First they have one of the best cities (Genoa, great income) and they have the Italian Militias, Genose Crossbowmen and Familia Dugila. They also crush France everytime and that gives them a big boost.

    I also think Denmark does very well. They have good income coming from the Baltic Sea and they pretty much destroy the Holy Roman Empire...which isn't fun to watch.
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    I picked the english, french, venice, egyptians, moors, and hungary because I've had a lot of luck with all of them


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    Default Re: What nations do the best

    I was talking about how the AI does with the factions, not the human player. The human will win with any faction!!


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    Default Re: What nations do the best

    Milan, Poland and Spain seem to do pretty well, especially Milan: They just seem to crush everyone with their infinite stacks of genoese crossbow militia.
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    Default Re: What nations do the best

    Milan, Poland, definitely France, and Egypt are the factions Ive noticed.

    I use DLV so the Turks with the Mongols as a factor at game start are getting their butts handed to them and within 50 turns are becoming a Vassal of Egypt. In the un-modded game the Turks are a powerhouse otherwise.

    Also the Danes do quite well in the DLV mod now, HRE not so much.

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    Egypt. In my current campaign they are about to take Venice.

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    No matter what, Milan always comes through, stupid bastards.
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    neither of them all my games balanced, with the exception of Rise of Kings 1.3 mod in which HRE became like Nazi in WW2.

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    Default Re: What nations do the best

    Nice thread. In my experience, Milano (Milan), the Danes (Denmark), the Mongols, and the Timurids do the best in most of my campaigns, especially the Timurids. They emerge in the world late, but when they do, they usually defeat their predecessors, the Mongols, and they conquer most of Russia or the Middle East (depending on where the Timurids start). Oh yes, the Timurids not only have the stregnth of the Mongols, but they also have Elephant units, with cannons too!

    PS: Garnier, is it intentional that you left out the Mongols and Timurids?


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    I am surprised that so many choose Milan. Playing with the leaked 1.02 and the official 1.02 I have noticed that Milan no longer is the traditional powerhouse. In my only campaign with 1.02 (official) they were a vassal of both Hungary and Venice. When I destroyed them they had only Milan and Genoa and had never expanded beyond that. Egypt, Sicily, Hungary and Poland are usually now very successful.
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    Default Re: What nations do the best

    Quote Originally Posted by Monsieur Alphonse View Post
    I am surprised that so many choose Milan.
    Ive seen Milan take most of central/eastern europe, which at that point I loaded a save from 100 years back. Milan always does well, Ive never played as them but enoch said they have great late era troops and Id imagine a great economy.

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    I find Denmark the most sucessful, they always seem to take the northern coast of Europe and also sometimes take England!
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    Default Re: What nations do the best

    Milan - some great late troops, money money money - run of the sea against non christians - no byz to deal with - the pope

    denmark kicks against me I have notice too

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    I have always found egypt to do well.

    Also the poles are no slouches.


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    Default Re: What nations do the best

    Poles and Danes. Never had a vanilla game without these guys kicking ass.

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    Milan, Sicily and Byzantine Empire tend to be very sucessful in my games.
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    Default Re: What nations do the best

    Poland, Egypt, Milan (*sigh*), Denmark, Venice, Papal States, Mongols
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    Portugal get sometimes nasty if it gets Toulouse/Bordeaux from the beginning.
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    Denmark. Not possible to beat directly.

    Once they attacked me full speed. I had to slowly push back, raiding their siege weapons. I almost took Bruges, but they crushed my army, forcing me back to square one. I eventually won because Denmark was excommunicated. I proceeded to crusade Frankfurt, and then, with the Danish money bag gone, I kicked those Danes into Stettin. And you won't believe this: Those Danes found a way to continue war mongering, and they beat Poland. At the moment, Poland has control of 1 town that is poor, and Denmark controls most of Poland, and a chunk of Russia and Hungary. Those Danes were beaten, and yet they killed Poland!

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