GUILDS: Ideas for Broken Crescent

[Sinan]

Greetings everyone !

I've forgotten what BC will do with Guilds and if they can be changed or not anyway I'm posting this suggestion for you. It got me thinking, I believe a lot of ideas can come from this.

Guilds in the Muslim world <-Source LINK
Islamic civilization extended the notion of guilds to the artisan as well — most notably to the warraqeen, or "those who work with paper." Early Muslims were heavily engaged in translating and absorbing all ilm ("knowledge") from all other known civilizations as far east as China. Critically analyzing, accepting, rejecting, improving and codifying knowledge from other cultures became a key activity, and a knowledge industry as presently understood began to evolve. By the beginning of the 9th century, paper had become the standard medium of written communication, and most warraqeen were engaged in paper-making, book-selling, and taking the dictation of authors, to whom they were obliged to pay royalties on works, and who had final discretion on the contents. The standard means of presentation of a new work was its public dictation in a mosque or madrassah in front of many scholars and students, and a high degree of professional respect was required to ensure that other warraqeen did not simply make and sell copies, or that authors did not lose faith in the warraqeen or this system of publication. Thus the organization of the warraqeen was in effect an early guild.

Local guilds also served to safeguard artisans from the appropriation of their skills: The publication industry that spanned the Muslim empire, from the first works under the warraqeen system in 874 and up to the 15th century, produced tens of thousands of books per year. A culture of instructional capital flourished, with groups of respected artisans spreading their work to other artisans elsewhere, who could in turn copy it and perhaps "pass it off" as the original, thereby exploiting the social capital built up at great expense by the originators of techniques. Artisans began to take various measures to protect their proprietary interests, and restrict access to techniques, materials, and markets.


SALUTE !

[IrAr]

Italian Merchant's guild would be good for all, but easier to get for Christian factions, maybe provides Italian Crossbowmen at the higher levels.

I like the Artisian-style guilds and the tribal ones as well, those would be a great feature.

[jermagon]

there's also the guild of ashraf ""those who are from the family of the prophet''every member in this guild is called ''alshareef''

[Beauchamp]

I dont think that would be a "guild" persay, ya Jermagon. Its more of a "family".

[Sinan]

Good to hear from you guys.

Well I think that could be used as an ancillary. An Ashraf (?), a scholar perhaps ?

[Al-Masri]

I dont know if I saw this on this forum or somewhere else, but it would be a great idea to include a Jewish Merchants Guild. I mean since Jews were a big part of the scene even in this era, it would be a shame to leave them out, and besides it makes good sense eh?

[Sinan]

That's a good idea, but this might make it more important to have the Jewish religion in game.

Keep the ideas coming.

Masri... that's a nice sig.
Can I retouch it for you and add Broken Crescent to it ? If you want any other text I can do that for you as well.

[Al-Masri]

thatd be awesome m8...just Broken Crescent would be fine

[Sinan]

Coming up after I finish my delicious Chicken pita from the corner Egyptian ;P
,,, It'll be in the Sig thread ...

[Chola_Kingdom]

may be this would help for guild for muslim world by the way it's important web for the guild maker for this mod
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild#G...e_Muslim_world

[AlphaDelta]

I'd like to find out if there's a way for a settlement to gain multiple guild types. A huge city like Baghdad should be entitled to 2, 3 or even 4.

Cheers

[Sinan]

Good Point.

Is it true that you can only have either HQ or Master's Guild per Guild per faction ? If so that would be good to change. Just heard that in another thread. I thought you could have both, I was pretty sure I did as England (Woodsmans Masters + Woodsmans HQ).

may be this would help for guild for muslim world by the way it's important web for the guild maker for this mod

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild#G...e_Muslim_world

I already sourced it in the 1st post, the title in the 1st post is linked. Thanks I've now edited as maybe it's not that visible.

Salute !

[PartyElite]

Indian guild of:

The Romas:
they were the gypsies who brought artillery and gunpowder to europe [possibly the arabs first?]

or so i seem to recall... i'll have to check it out when i get the chance.

cheers
-indian_boy

[IrAr]

I think Roma guilds should be available to all.
I've always known of all gypsies as Roma, so I'm not sure if they are a specific group or not.

[Ermeni]

sorry to say...I'm against the idea of Roma/Gypsie guilds....what would they give to India or the middle east? i mean a Gypsie guild who triggers artillery and gunpowder would feel totally unreal....

[jermagon]

The roma people came to europe in the 13 or 14th century I think.

[Beauchamp]

Thats a good question, because I know in most Middle Eastern/African cities, there are a a sort of "pocket community" of Indian traders, they probably migrated during the Commonwealth Regin though.

[Ahiga]

The Italian Merchants I'd agree should be added in. Basically along any coastal Black sea or Mediterranean province, where trade is high and so forth. I like the idea of when a Muslim gains it they gain access to a generic Muslim crossbowmen unit.

In the future we may have European Crusading Nations + tribal allegiance guild systems, but that is highly unlikely for 1.0. Crusader Orders will probably be guild-related when we revamp the KoJ [Though it will be accessible for Armenia too, and Georgia only if we see info saying they did]

Sufi dervish orders are another good guild idea.

I'm not so sure about the Roma/Gypsies.

Jewish neighborhood guilds might work, and offer subsequent effects.

Perhaps we can also allocate the Jihad-center concept that effected places like Rum, Damascus, or an East Iranian/Afghan settlement, where you can gain a (concept name) "Jihad" guild, benefiting the piety of the imams from that province, along with perhaps producing some jihad units.

[Sinan]

You know you're a genius right ?

If not I can tell you: GENIUS ! I love the specialist Jihad thing. Damm that will be amazing.

[Ermeni]

Thats a good question, because I know in most Middle Eastern/African cities, there are a a sort of "pocket community" of Indian traders, they probably migrated during the Commonwealth Regin though.

which question....do you mean the Gypsie Guilds?

i highly doubt that these Indian merchants are gypsies....