do you think we need another Council?

[Normanknight47]

this is a question to all you catholic/orthodox on this forum. Do we need another one and what should it be about? and where should it be held?

[Zenith Darksea]

Another Oecumenical Council? No. Doctrine was settled after the seventh one. We already have the Nicene Creed, the Christological and Trinitarian formulations, the condemnation of heresies and the necessity of iconography for the guarding of a true doctrine of the incarnation. We don't need any more doctrine, I think.

However, there are a few 'procedural' issues that we might like to sort out. For example, should we have female priests? How will the Orthodox diaspora settle into a more coherent pattern? Or the biggie...

Can the Latin Church bring itself to reunite with the Orthodox?

This is obviously needed, but would the Latins be willing? I doubt it. They'd have to shelve Papal infallibility, the immaculate conception, the dual procession of the Holy Spirit, and a number of other things that would probably be very bitter pills to swallow.

[Turbo]

Another Oecumenical Council? No. Doctrine was settled after the seventh one. We already have the Nicene Creed, the Christological and Trinitarian formulations, the condemnation of heresies and the necessity of iconography for the guarding of a true doctrine of the incarnation. We don't need any more doctrine, I think.

However, there are a few 'procedural' issues that we might like to sort out. For example, should we have female priests? How will the Orthodox diaspora settle into a more coherent pattern? Or the biggie...

Can the Latin Church bring itself to reunite with the Orthodox?

This is obviously needed, but would the Latins be willing? I doubt it. They'd have to shelve Papal infallibility, the immaculate conception, the dual procession of the Holy Spirit, and a number of other things that would probably be very bitter pills to swallow.

A council on unification is essential! The Roman Catholic Church absolutely wants unification. The key is to focus efforts on what unites the Orthodox and Roman churches. Not what divides us. Perhaps a confederation of separate but equal faiths working together in a common cause is attainable. We as Roman Catholics must not insist on doctrinal unification but rather unification under Christ.

[enoch]

what we need is another Jesus......

[SickBoy13]

I agree with ZD. No, we don't need a doctrinal council. We need unity, but as ZD said, that probably isn't going to go smoothly.

[Normanknight47]

yeah unity would be the number one issue... but if they were to have a council to settle the issue once and for all where do you guys think it will be held?

[Khosson]

Maybe there is no need for a doctrinal council for now.


An unity council...there allways(sice 1054) was a need for it.Prboably it will be held somewere in the balkan at the serbian-croatian(othodox-catholic) border(that will be nice,don't know if posible).

I don't think the catholics ar the only ones to be blamed.Living in a profoundly orthodox country(+80%) i often see anticatholic resentiments(sp?).

[Ummon]

There's a problem with those thinking truth is established once and for all. They are mistaken just as those who think it can be changed on a whim.

[Zenith Darksea]

The Roman Catholic Church absolutely wants unification.

Oh, they've wanted unification for centuries - on their terms. Just accept Papal infallibility and hand over all your affairs to Rome, and then we can be united... I don't think so.

Perhaps a confederation of separate but equal faiths working together in a common cause is attainable.

It's called the World Council of Churches (WCC), and while the Orthodox are members, the Roman Catholics aren't.

We as Roman Catholics must not insist on doctrinal unification but rather unification under Christ.

No unification can be called a 'unification under Christ' without doctrinal unification, I'm afraid. But there really aren't that many issues to resolve - the problem is that since the 11th century the Latins have taken a stand on their bishop's infallibility, and won't let go.

[Turbo]

Oh, they've wanted unification for centuries - on their terms. Just accept Papal infallibility and hand over all your affairs to Rome, and then we can be united... I don't think so.



It's called the World Council of Churches (WCC), and while the Orthodox are members, the Roman Catholics aren't.



No unification can be called a 'unification under Christ' without doctrinal unification, I'm afraid. But there really aren't that many issues to resolve - the problem is that since the 11th century the Latins have taken a stand on their bishop's infallibility, and won't let go.

All good points. I myself worshipped in the Orthodox church for many years before returning to the Church. I have nothing but respect and admiration for the faith.

The problem the Church is wrestling with is tradition. Vatican II's break from tradition did the exact opposite of what it was supposed to do - it emptied out the Churches. Worse, it drove many of the faithful to the protestant faiths by the millions. Our prelate for example that was allowed to retain the old ways is standing room only in our masses yet the churches around us are almost empty and closing.

[Normanknight47]

if we drop infallibility would that be enough?

[Khosson]

I think there are 4 fundamental differences(dogmatic) that keep the 2 churches apart:
1.Filioque:the Holy SPirit derives from both GOD and Jesus say the catholics,while the orthodox say that the HS derives only from God.
2.THe purgatorium(sp?) i do'nt really know that much about it just that the caths believe in it while the ortodox do'nt
3.The bread used at comunion
4.annother that i do'nt really remember

And annother would be the callendar, the reason why Easter dose'nt coincide always.

[Zenith Darksea]

if we drop infallibility would that be enough?

Yes, I think it would. While there are still a few other differences, they can be overlooked (as long as they aren't central issues of doctrine) in the interests of oikonomia.