Israel Keeping Palestinians in Poverty

[bigfootedfred]

A new report from the world bank had this to say.

Economic progress in the Palestinian territories will continue to be stunted as long as restrictions on movement there remain, the World Bank has said.

Half of the West Bank is closed to ordinary Palestinians, a Bank report says, hindering trade and commerce.
An embargo on direct financial assistance to the Palestinian Authority, which has been in place since the Hamas-led government was elected last year, has exacerbated conditions.


According to the World Bank, Israeli-imposed security arrangements in the West Bank remain at the root of its economic problems, with unemployment levels high among its 2.5 million Palestinian residents


It says the territory has been fragmented into 10 isolated enclaves, in contravention of agreements between the Palestinian Authority and Israel designed to guarantee the free movement of people and goods.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6638241.stm


But of course, its about 'security' not colonization.
Nearly there...just a final solution to the 'Palestinian problem' to go.

[Chaigidel]

If they didnt make themselves such a problem when freed... then the israelis wouldnt have to lock them up


its just such a horrible god-forsaken mess of things

[Falconius]

Yeah gee. Maybe they should've thought of that before they imported bomber when there was no restrictions. Maybe they should've thought of that before they started bombing the people who employ large amounts of them. Maybe they shouldn't have destroyed the multimillion dollar hot houses that the Israelies left behind in Gaza. Maybe they should've thought of that before makeing tourist too nervous to visit the Holy Land (what with the random bombings and all), even if was only a huge part of the income for the country. Maybe the world bank should also be concerned about the huge unemploment rate that Israelis are suffering as a result of the colapse of the tourism industry.

No offense but if you blow off your own foot with a gun and then complain you can't walk right, the only sympathy you'll get from me is for the utter stupidity that such a person obviously suffers from.

[bigfootedfred]

the Report...

Under occupation, administrative restrictions on movement are defined and implemented by orders of the Military Commander of the West Bank. These orders, which are published and have the effect of law, are then supplemented by ad hoc measures which are communicated verbally to Palestinians, but which are not supported by published rules or procedures. Together, military orders and ad hoc measures create a system of movement restrictions which is non-transparent and highly unpredictable. As shown in maps developed by OCHA (see Annex 1), the combined effect of physical and administrative obstacles is the division of the West Bank into three segments (north, central, south) and additionally ten segments or enclaves, with Palestinians channeled through manned checkpoints in order to move between the trisections and in and out of the enclaves.6 The practical effect of this shattered economic space is that on any given day the ability to reach work, school, shopping, healthcare facilities and agricultural land is highly uncertain and subject to arbitrary restriction and delay. In economic terms, the restrictions have created a level of uncertainty and inefficiency which has made the normal conduct of business extremely difficult and therefore has stymied the growth and investment which is necessary to fuel economic revival.

There are approximately 250,000 settlers living in the West Bank, excluding those in East Jerusalem. This is roughly twice the 126,900 settlers who lived in the West Bank at the time of the the Oslo Accords.

The Roadmap also obligates Israel to immediately dismantle settlement outposts erected after March 2001.29 Yet, from 2001-2005, the settler population grew at a rate of 5.5% annually while the population within Israel increased by only 1.8% annually.

Roughly 50,000 Palestinians in 38 villages and towns will find themselves living in "the seam zone" once the construction of the barrier is completed. Another estimated 61,000 Palestinians who are residents of East Jerusalem will be separated by the barrier from family and community networks, employment opportunities and municipal services. Furthermore, approximately half a million Palestinians live within 1 km of the barrier on its eastern side, and many of these people have been negatively affected by a structure that cuts through properties, economic networks, service access routes and neighborhoods. 23. Palestinians who now find themselves residents of the "seam zone" are required to apply for a "permanent resident ID" from the Civil Administration in order to seek permission to remain in their homes and have access to their property

Roughly 60% of families owning land in the "seam zone" area of the northern West Bank no longer could access it because they were not provided permits by the GOI.
More than 50% of the communities surveyed no longer had direct, regular access to their land.
22% of land became accessible only by foot, thus no vehicles could be used to transport produce grown there.
Only 26 of 61 gates located in the Barrier were open year-round and only 64% of the gates operated in accordance with officially-stated opening times.
Traditional travel routes were severed in 90% of communities.
Damage or refusal of entry of agricultural produce was experienced by 24% of respondents.

http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/47d4e277b48d9d3685256ddc00612265/3de751bf0a424afc852572d60043df42!OpenDocument


Ah yes, they should just lay down and allow Israel to continue its policy of ethnic cleansing.

[NaptownKnight]

the Report...








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http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/47d4e277b48d9d3685256ddc00612265/3de751bf0a424afc852572d60043df42!OpenDocument


Ah yes, they should just lay down and allow Israel to continue its policy of ethnic cleansing.

LOLZORS Ethnic cleansing! I love when people try to apply this to this situation. T

[Icefrisco]

The Palestinians have dug themselves into this hole. Yet, the only country helping to get them back on their feet is Israel(they supply necesities). So, unless every country in the world bank does something they have no right to have a say in this issue. At this point only Israel,Palestine, and maybe Jordan should have a say.

Nearly there...just a final solution to the 'Palestinian problem' to go.

Your right it is close to a final solution except for a few things:

1. No legal persecution
2. No large scale hatred of Palestinians by Israelis
3. No large or powerful extreme-nationalist group in Israel
4. No plan to kill unarmed Palestinian civilians
5. Palestinians put themselves infront of gunfire
6. Palestinians blow themselves up
7. No government sponsored genocide
8. No genocide(at least in the minds of credible politicians and historians)
9. No Israeli government sponsored extremist groups
10. Plenty of Palestinian supported extremist groups
11. Palestinians open fire at random
12.Palestinians and others launch rockets at cities

Other then those twelve things the situation in Palestine seems to be a final solution.

But of course, its about 'security' not colonization

Please ask that question to an Israeli. His/her response will probably be "we do like it but it is for our security" or at least something like that. At least every Israeli I have know has said that. But you must know at least 100 Israelis so why should I question your "judgement". I am guessing you made your statement about Israel's intentions after talking to Israelis, right?

[Erik]

Yet, the only country helping to get them back on their feet is Israel(they supply necesities). So, unless every country in the world bank does something they have no right to have a say in this issue. At this point only Israel,Palestine, and maybe Jordan should have a say.

My country also did something:
We donated a harbor to the Palestinian people, so they could trade with the rest of the world and earn a honest living.

But Israel bombed this harbor just before it was completed, which has cost Dutch tax payers millions of euro's. (funny how the Israeli's waited until after we spend our money, apparently they had a score to settle with the Netherlands)

There is no doubt Israel is actively preventing Palestinians from making an honest living.
There have been countless reports of Israeli's holding back trucks full of food from Palestinian farms until their products are rotten and useless.

Thanks to Israel, Palestinians have no choice but to become terrorists, it's the only paying job available.

Please ask that question to an Israeli. His/her response will probably be "we do like it but it is for our security"

There's an interesting Freudian slip.

Problem with Israel's security claim:
Israeli settlers put THEMSELVES in danger by moving to a these settlements. (which, mind you are still growing in both size and number).

Israel has more than enough place for them to live West of the green line.
But what do these settlers do? they CHOOSE to live right in the middle of a Palestinian dominated area far East of the green line.
Then they complain about their security (well, duh, what did you expect? Palestinians are hostile and you just stole their home) and millions of Palestinians have to suffer for the security of a few thousand Israeli's.

[borya1978]

My country also did something:
We donated a harbor to the Palestinian people, so they could trade with the rest of the world and earn a honest living.

But Israel bombed this harbor just before it was completed, which has cost Dutch tax payers millions of euro's. (funny how the Israeli's waited until after we spend our money, apparently they had a score to settle with the Netherlands)

There is no doubt Israel is actively preventing Palestinians from making an honest living.
There have been countless reports of Israeli's holding back trucks full of food from Palestinian farms until their products are rotten and useless.

Thanks to Israel, Palestinians have no choice but to become terrorists, it's the only paying job available.




There's an interesting Freudian slip.

Problem with Israel's security claim:
Israeli settlers put THEMSELVES in danger by moving to a these settlements. (which, mind you are still growing in both size and number).

Israel has more than enough place for them to live West of the green line.
But what do these settlers do? they CHOOSE to live right in the middle of a Palestinian dominated area far East of the green line.
Then they complain about their security (well, duh, what did you expect? Palestinians are hostile and you just stole their home) and millions of Palestinians have to suffer for the security of a few thousand Israeli's.

Eric I notice you have some bias against Israel. The harbor you speak about that "your country" build, was being used to smuggle weapons by cargo ships. Maybe your country should have thought what terrorist running a country would use a harbor for. Why should Israel care how much money your country lost, its lives that are being lost on "both" side in the conflict. Unless your country was willing to spend a little extra to see what come in the harbor

[Erik]

Eric I notice you have some bias against Israel. The harbor you speak about that "your country" build, was being used to smuggle weapons by cargo ships.

The harbor wasn't even operational, so no weapons could have been smuggled (yet).
There were speculations that weapon smuggling would be possible, but nothing more than that.

The point is:
When Israel had decided to destroy the harbor they should have contacted us ASAP, not wait until we were almost finished constructing it and then bomb it.
At the lest they could have allowed us to dismantle it so we could recycle expensive components in one of our own harbor.

Israel clearly wanted to punish the Dutch taxpayers (that's me) for supporting the Palestinian people.
Why my government didn't declare war on Israel right then is beyond me.
At the least we should have bombed one of Israel's harbors, just to get even.

[borya1978]

Israel clearly wanted to punish the Dutch taxpayers (that's me) for supporting the Palestinian people.
Why my government didn't declare war on Israel right then is beyond me.
At the least we should have bombed one of Israel's harbors, just to get even.

Pay back is a ******, huh? As for the dutch declaring war on israel
kinda like the dutch should have fought back against the nazi when invaded in WWII, right? and I thought you guys are such peace loving people, at least most of you are.

[enoch]

maybe if they started working instead of warring they would be allowed to go where they want

we don't allow terrorists into america either
and palestine is governed by a group that has said that no matter how much prosperity and money they are offered, they will not rest until every Jew in Israel is dead

and I am supposed to expect to feel sympathy cause the Israelis only let palestinians into part of their country


I don't know about you, but I am not in the habit of letting people who want to kill me and my family and my friends and my religious brothers and my people

into my home either

[Thanatos]

Israel is keeping Palestinians in poverty?

Really? Like they weren't already, in the middle of that forsaken piece of crap land?

Well, maybe if the Palestinians learn to realize that they won't get back the lands by warring with Israel, maybe Israel will be nicer to them.

But I forgot. We should blame the victim, not the criminal. It's all Israel's fault!

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

It's a compromise for the sake of peace, I'd say.
Forcing the militants in Palestine away from Israelis HAS stopped the deadly chains of violence. From the Palestinian view-point, however, it's like first, they were "forced" off their lands and now they're being made to "starve". From the Israeli view, it's for the sake of security. It's just that whenever God is involved with politics, it causes nasty things like people dying, etc. Sad situation.

[silverster]

Both sides refuse to say that they have done SOMETHING wrong.

Palastinian side: "since i'm gonna starve to death anyway, i'll make your day hell!"

Israeli side: "I dont care how long you've stayed here, this is MY LAND, i dont give a **** who you are and what you are like"


For the problems to be resolved. SOMEBODY HAS TO GIVE.

Well we know the Israeli's not going to budge. And Palastinans dont have a reason to.

[Falconius]

Yeah right, like Israelies have never budged for the sake of peace. Well, at least if you ignore the fact that they gave the Sinai back to Egypt for a peace deal, or managed to get peace from Jordan. Or the fact that they brought Arafat back from exile to negotiate a peace deal. Or the fact that they helped supply and train the PA security forces, or the fact that they helped the PA be reformed from the PLO into something that could actual manage a state. Or the fact that they gave control of plenty of areas over to the PA. Or the fact that they evicted their own citizens from Gaza and gave them hot houses and such. Or the fact that many Palestinians are treated in Israeli hospitals, even victims from their own suicide bombs. Or the fact that Israel provides them with electricity and water. Yeah, ignoring all that amoung other things, then Israel never budges for anyone.

[Syron]

like i give a ****, the palestinians deserve everything that's been thrown at them.

spot on Falconius

[Locky]

The Palestinians got the short end of the stick, from the point after the Balfor Declaration.

[Ma'ahes]

Technically speaking, they got the bigger end Locky....they just refused it, got turned into pawns by their ME neighbors (still are btw), and got involved in a war that they thought would purge "their" land of Jews. They had their chance....lemme rephrase.

Chances.

I'm all for a Palestinian nation, but do you realize that whenever terrorism picks up in Israel and the current admin can't control it, a more hawkish party gets control? And then they put on more restrictions? And then, the beauty of it all, which Arafat recognized, is that the rest of the world then condemns Israel for protecting itself. Terrorism has seemed to pay off for the Palestinians (tho it doesn't seem like it), so why should they use anything else? Yes, I just generalized....meant the head honchos, since I doubt every Palestinian is an evil maniac who gets his kicks from sending young people to blow themselves up.

[olvios]

You need a miracle to get peace in the middle east

[Ma'ahes]

Where's Jesus when ya need him, eh?


/Jewish, btw....