The Truth Behind Red China

[Osceola]

Here are a few youtubes of newscast and documentaries on the situation in "The Peoples Republic of China". And some of this, particularly the fact that people the govt. has something against, are being sent to death camps and apparently having their organs cut out of them while they are still alive, is straight out of a ****ing horror movie. Hell thats taken directly from Hitler's book of "Really ****ed Up **** to Do!".

China's supposed booming economy that is rivalling the US and seems to enthrall Americans? Well it came at a price. The government moving in and demolishing the homes of citizens en masse, for no other reason than to make building room for foreign corporations. I'm very glad my father decided not to take that Home Depot job in China.

Persecution of political dissenters a thing of the past? Not so.

Freedom of religion in China? Ask Falun Gong about that..

Things have only gotten worse since Tianenmen.




Organ Harvesting in China .. On persecuted "prisoners" while they are still ALIVE.





Human Rights in China, Protestors, Demolition of Homes..



"Shooting them like dogs.."

[VALIS]

This is nothing new.
Hundreds of people are executed in china on the most whimsical evidence every year.

These will stop when China becomes a democracy in a few years.

[LoZz]

some of those videos are a bit yuck so be aware people

[VoodooTengo]

Yea the chinese are horrible.

There was an article lately in Rolling Stone about how they abducted the kid the dalai lama picked to be whatever lama is no2 in tibeten buddhism, and replaced him with the son of a chinese offical. The kid was like 6 to, and how they charge the families of the people they execute for the bullet (though when your executing 10,000 people a year i guess that could start to add up) is despicable, hopefully the communist regime will collapse eventaully, but i think the idea of an internal revolution wont happen.

[Erik]

Everybody knows China has a terrible human rights record.
If any other nation would act like that they would have a trade embargo against them and no Western country would want anything to do with them.

But they are China, and they not only provide cheap goods to American and European consumers, they also provide most of the money America needs to borrow just to keep their economy from falling over.

So we Westerners rather not talk about the human rights in China, better to look the other way and enjoy our cheap T-shirts.

But on the positive: I do think China is slowly improving.

[hsimoorb]

Could be worse. They could be much more agressive with their huge military...just imagine americans trying to decide which they want more; cheap Wal*Mart stuff, or War with the largest country in the world.

[VALIS]

Could be worse. They could be much more agressive with their huge military...just imagine americans trying to decide which they want more; cheap Wal*Mart stuff, or War with the largest country in the world.

Actually,China is only the 4th largest country in the world.
Russia,Canada and the United States are all larger.

[Tecumseh]

He's probably talking about population.

[Romanos]

Oh boy, wait until Sib gets here. Anyway my aunt and uncle always go to China and have never seen anybody being arrested for speaking out.

[VALIS]

He should take into account that the average american soldier could probably kill 50-100 (or more) chinese before he himself is killed.
Siblesz will naturally support the Chinese authorities in any and all their decisions.

[Romanos]

He should take into account that the average american soldier could probably kill 50-100 (or more) chinese before he himself is killed.

and where is that information coming from ?

[Chaigidel]

seriously china has a military of 320 million --- these are all combat capable adult males --- they have enough man power to occupy every job in the USA all the way up and all the way down and still have a labor surplus.

if china gets up unless we start droping nukes and kill everyone china wins

so its china wins or nobody wins --china will be the next superpower

[Romanos]

seriously china has a military of 320 million --- these are all combat capable adult males --- they have enough man power to occupy every job in the USA all the way up and all the way down and still have a labor surplus.

if china gets up unless we start droping nukes and kill everyone china wins

so its china wins or nobody wins --china will be the next superpower

China is already a superpower and trusts me they will never go to war against the United States of America it would be economical suicide.

It is judging and taking into account physical fitness,training and technology in military matters.

You're kidding me right; China is not full of brainless human horde they have some of the best equipment in the world.

[VALIS]

You're kidding me right; China is not full of brainless human horde they have some of the best equipment in the world.

such as?

[Romanos]

Just look at China military spending.QBZ-95 rifles and Type 88 and Type 96, Type 99 tanks with improve warfare systems, anyway I'm no modern military analyst. In the long run China could hold itself out extremely well with any Westerns power.

[Douchebag]

China is already a superpower and trusts me they will never go to war against the United States of America it would be economical suicide.


You're kidding me right; China is not full of brainless human horde they have some of the best equipment in the world.

I have to agree with him there.

Since I really don't think either of the PRC or USA would start lobbing nukes, due to the MAD principle, a conflict between them would just be an exceptionally bloody conventional war.
China's real impediment towards waging an effective war against the US is their lack of a serious and well-equipped navy. Now, they are improving on that part, but it's going to take a while. Whereas, the US has one of the best open-ocean navies in the world, with massive force-projection capabilities, right now.
No navy, no invasion of the US; no invasion of the US, no suppression of the US; no suppression of the US, no way China could win this hypothetical conflict.
Also, keep in mind that the US would have all of NATO on its side, because this wouldn't be simply an issue of terrorist action, like the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts. This would be an issue of one sovereign state declaring open war on another sovereign state. The NATO countries would be bound by their mutual defence pact to fight together as one alliance. The combined navies of the NATO countries could and would allow them to plant troops on Chinese shores by the end of the first month of war.
Japan would probably not be happy about something like this either. I bet a suddenly belligerent China would make the Diet change their minds about the military, and a "Military Amendment" would be pushed, quickly. The JSDF is already well-armed and well-equipped; all they lack is sufficient size and naval power. Since an ally right next to China would be a valuable asset to the US and its other allies, they would probably let Japan re-arm and start drafting. Once that happens, China would be screwed, facing a multi-national invasion in its south-east and north-east regions; they would be able to hold it back for a long time, but eventually, numbers can only do so much. They are modernizing their army, yes, but western armies are even more modern.
The People's Republic would lose and the People's Government would collapse.

Your also forgetting that NATO lacks dedication. Look at Afghanistan - Whos doing most of the work? UK, Canada and US. You also forgot about Russia - who will side with the Chinese anyday. I highly doubt Japan will do anything, unless China does something to provoke them. If a conflict does start, I bet Iran and Syria will also side with the Chinese. Perhaps N. Korea to? Or maybe Hugo Chavez? We all know he hates America, and hes been buying a lot of Russian weapons lately.

With the conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan, I dont think NATO is ready to have another war.

[hsimoorb]

China is already a superpower and trusts me they will never go to war against the United States of America it would be economical suicide.


You're kidding me right; China is not full of brainless human horde they have some of the best equipment in the world.

Indeed, I wouldn't doubt the chinese military on anything. The country put a man in space for christ's sake. They aren't super poor and comming off a long bloody civil war like they were in korea. The thing is their military spending is still WAY lower than the US's. Most of their units don't have the fancy equipment yet, and won't for a long time. And the US still has a tech advantage, and will for a long time.

But anyways...that's all besides the point. I way saying that I'm GLAD that china isn't militarist. i.e. they aren't seeking to create a ChiComBloc in asia like the russian did with europe. Their huge military makes them feel safe. Them feeling safe makes us safe.

[VALIS]

It is judging and taking into account physical fitness,training and technology in military matters.
China actually has a military of 13 million quite a large way from the claimed 320 million.

[Chaigidel]

they have us beat on physical fitness ill bet a bunch and --- every year there are several thousand maybe several hundred thousand chinese students who work in the best american labs and have access to basically all our stuff --- they have been carting off all our advances for years , and still are --the only thing we have on china is the number of nuke subs we have and nukes-- plus range maybe--- but china just bought 12 of those bran new swedish sub killer subs--- we would have to use our nukes to even begin to match a threat from china

which is probably why china and the usa will keep the status quo because as stated in another post china and usa economy so intertwined now and thus the worlds economy all rests on china/america--so war probably wont happen between us.

yeah what you said rome i was just more windy about it.

[SovietDoom]

they have us beat on physical fitness ill bet a bunch and --- every year there are several thousand maybe several hundred thousand chinese students who work in the best american labs and have access to basically all our stuff --- they have been carting off all our advances for years , and still are --the only thing we have on china is the number of nuke subs we have and nukes-- plus range maybe--- but china just bought 12 of those bran new swedish sub killer subs--- we would have to use our nukes to even begin to match a threat from china

What? Hardly the case. Spending the vast sums of money on physical fitness for 13 million men would be incredible. More likely they just have basic physical fitness and stuff like that. Also: Chinese students in America don't have access to any sort of military secrets, and new weapon designs are always kept in secrecy. Chinese students perhaps have access to purely scientific and consumer advances.

Also: A full mobilization of 320 million would be entirely unsupportable by China's economy, and would be entirely unable to move past its own borders in any significant portion.