omg 2012

[Chaigidel]

well im sure if you have looked at the internets you know about the 2012 thingy

well here is a snippet of the book that the apocalypse was derived from (the history i dont know dates tho!)

before the invasion of south america by spain the maya civ had already largely fallen--they had abandoned cities etc---but still lived in loose community in a plain near peru and still possessed a great library of the old maya time-priest writings

spainish enter enslave the incas, mayas for gold mining silver mining they burn the library and all the books save 4-- a franciscan monk rescues these 4 books and they end up in germany and get hidden away for 200 years--- later books uncovered they end up being the "great book" of the mayans the supreme calendar the focus of all the time-priestkings work---(several mayan kings contributed to the work)--book translated

says time is up for this world on 2012 the passage as much as could be read goes like:

"The Black Earth......Darkness Over All........" half of the last pages words were gone by the time of translation

as much as i recoil from internets phenomena i do think this is interesting

thoughts on the apocalypse in 2012

[BeastG33]

Regardless of what else they've been right about, I don't put much stake into what some drunken Mayan priests wrote down 503460345 years ago.

[Chaigidel]

yeah i felt the same way at first--- we will know on 2012 right :o?

modern mayans who maintain the religion in the hills of mexico still look upon this date with absolute dread---- they had a very very advanced understanding of the cycles of this earth, in the sky and on the land--- they even lay out specific cycles --I think it could have some merit
but I do maintain healthy skepticism--- but alot of other relgious prophecy hovers around that same date of 2012

[MET]

isaac newton predicted that the armegedon would be in 2060

[Chaigidel]

when is apophis that asteroid gonna pass near the keyhole of earth or what not?

[MET]

i don't know apophis. but i thought anastroid would hit the eart in 2024

[LoZz]

well the world will end, i dont think any of us will live to see it though.

to be honest, as long as i dont have to watch my loved ones die first, and as long as its not a painful death end of the world would be ok.

[Kanaric]

a lot of things are happening 2012 including some scientific predictions like a peak in solar activity however the end of the world isn't probably one of them.

[Da Skinna]

The end of our world maybe... Maybe some event or combination of events will work to the effect of making our planet unlivable for us.


Question: these predictions, how many have been right? Like what ratio is it?

[Chaigidel]

the predictions of the mayan calendar are all Exactly correct--- eclipses of various kinds groupings of planets etc-- they watched them stars and figured out we are on a 6000 year wobble related to the galactic center and every 28500 years we come into alignment with the "black transformer" the gas cloud that makes the center of the milky way have a clouded quality when you look into the sky-- that gap is what we are aligning with and the sun on 2012--we have been In the gap since 1600s i think but this will be only time the sun "passes through" the hoop so to speak.

If they got some of the predictions wrong they were never off but by a minute degree or minutes ---

[Skyler]

As all things conceived by man this deserves to be treated with the upmost respect, like the y2k event that promised us the darkage.

[Chaigidel]

yes it is nothing to freak out over-- but y2k is different than observable changes in the heavens spread out over thousands ofyears.

[Da Skinna]

Do you not think there might be some small, however minute difference between Y2K morons and astronomy that is so accurate, it's scary.

[Chaigidel]

the year the mayans were made to slaves by the spainiards the particular "time slot" i cant remember what its called but its like a section of time in the calendar its like 3 cocentric gears all with different sized pegs as time passes the gears count each other off i think a baktun orsomething

the baktun for when the mayas were enslaved translated as--- Occupation by a foriegn power, oppression, change, death-- something like that
the same baktun occured both in ww1 and ww2

[Skyler]

And this is because the mayans were such advanced and renowned astrologers?

As much as I love their culture they were still human and as in such they need to be reviewed with sceptisism.

[Chaigidel]

no doubt good sir--- you arent doing yourself or the subject justice if you dont view it with skepticism

I believe that they were so focused on the idea of time, and the procession of the stars that they did develop a keen and almost unnatural understanding of the process of our world.. they of course took a hit to that delicate balance of priest-king vs practical society when the droughts came ( also predicted by them) these droughts wiped them out as a major society long before the spainish arrived---its basically a miracle that we have the information at all and for it to be the most important work of the mayan culture(as we understand it) is very interesting to me.

but agreed just because its strange and cool doesnt make it true :o

[mrjesushat]

I've personally always gone in for the theory that the Mayans voluntarily dismantled their own society from the bottom up, by simply ignoring their leadership and retreating back into the forests, where they were safe from human-sacrifice afficionadoes and genital-mutilating kings.

Taking advice from a group of people who thought that driving a thorn through your penis was a good way to talk to God seems like a poor choice, all things considered.

[Chaigidel]

I think the penis thing was Aztec--and the constant human sacrifice both aztec--

the mayas had the ball game where the captain of the winning team would be decapitated on the court--- i dont think they had the same wanton sacrifice as the aztecs

[mrjesushat]

I think the penis thing was Aztec--and the constant human sacrifice both aztec--

Nope, Maya. Even the History Channel will tell you that. And human sacrifice was evidently common to the whole of the Meso-American culture group, once a certain level of social organization was achieved. Which raises a number of interesting points, I might add. Why is it that these American civilizations were so fond of human sacrifice? And does this mean that all societies passed through such a developmental period, or only those in the "New" World? If it's the latter, then what's up with the New World?

the mayas had the ball game where the captain of the winning team would be decapitated on the court--- i dont think they had the same wanton sacrifice as the aztecs

Actually, nobody's all that clear on how the ball game worked. There are a lot of theories, of course.

One of the things that's particularly interesting about the Maya is their concern over sacred Cenotes and inland links to the ocean. There are a number of centers built near or even around such sites, and this demonstrates that the Maya capacity for architecture and astronomy has more to do with religion than it does what we might call science.

They may have thought the world would end in 2012, but they also thought that the gods of the underworld lived underwater, and needed lots of pottery and child sacrifices to make ends meet. Also, there's still the thing with penis mutilation. And tongue mutilation, for that matter.

[Chaigidel]

I know how the aztecs got started---

they wandered around as nomads for the early part of the history and worked as mercs for the other tribes-- they would bring back body parts of enemy to show the employer that they had killed for him-- they became feared in (the new mexico /rio grande region) and got chased south by the people there-- they have a legend when they crossed the river they saw 3 men tangled up in the cactuses with their hearts torn from the body--- the aztecs thought the gods did this to the men and kept that ritual since( aztec legend/ partial fact)

and on the other point I think people can do all kinds of stupid things but still produce something of real factual value.--- whats so difficult is we cant tell how important the time-canon of the book is because we have no other books( THANKS SPAIN) -- they burned all the feather mosiacs and all the cool things that mayans had accumulated in knowledge-- most that we know is from the stones(which could have been totally symbolic we just dont know)

yeah they had cool underground rivers near where they came up so they tossed babies in them, does that make them bad people? I dont think so.

and we all mutilate our penises and tounges these days-- those guys just showed grit by taking that manta stinger and slipping through the foreskin--

I imagine it was like a parlor trick -- the king was like hey you guys!-- look what i can do !