Is the god of the Bible a Homosexual? not what you think

[enoch]

This thread is not designed to anger people or cause trouble, though it no doubt will...

I am curious about a question that I have never heard asked, and that in this day and age seems awfully important to have an answer for...

Let us try to only use the Bible in its many incantations and interpretations to seek our conclusion - if you post silly unsourced things I will simply mock you - which, judging by the title of this thread, is something I can do as a side effect of my natural inquisitiveness


Is god is a homosexual - never seen or heard of him being with a female, have ya? (no females in heaven) and everyone seems to agree that he is a he (I admit the possibility that he is a hermaphrodite)

and jesus aka the son, according to doctrine, didn't like the female spice either, prefering to surround himself with lower born men who worshipped him


I don't even think god really had woman in mind when he did the whole creation because it never occured to him that a man would need a woman - and why - because he was completely at peace with nothing but men around - sounds a little gay - read the evidence below

God had created all the creatures of earth except for Eve

Genesis 2:19-20

19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found

It is only after everything else has been created that god realizes Adam needs a non male companion

Genesis 2:18

The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

not to mention, I think he put Adam to sleep, stole the idea for woman from Adam's dreams, and then jury rigged it all together after the initial creation was done with a rib

Genesis

21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs [i] and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [j] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

seems kinda last minute, eh?


while everything else was created out of the ether, eve was made out of man

Genesis 2:23

The man said,
"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called 'woman,'
for she was taken out of man."

ie - she was a late addition so god had to use the rib because all of the ether had already been used in the initial creation of eden and environs


post smart or prepare to be ridiculed.....

[Chaigidel]

I dont plan on posting smart but you cant stop me enoch ~!!

I dont really think god had any concept of sexuality--- I dont know if that by default makes him a homosexual-- perhaps asexual

and gods bride is creation itself and like woman made from man so was the creator made from god-- so perhaps deeper significance sits here on the metaphysical aspect of god and its process of creation as revealed in genesis

I know "god moved over the face of the deep(waters)" means much much more than just the statement most of the religious texts are written so i believe

interesting topic enoch

[enoch]

no I can't

I think you posted smart enough - this thread is more designed as an argument using the bible as the source

the initial position is

Is God heterosexual or homosexual? we are assuming he is one of the two, which, as you pointed out, isn't necessarily true
however

G 1:27

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

god is clearly a he (he is always referred to using male titles and pronouns)

and Adam was in his image, so god resembles man in both looks and inclinations

so we know he is male and looks and acts like a man - so chances are he is either hetero, homo, or bi

bible backed arguments for all three are gladly welcomed

[Scorch]

and Adam was in his image, so god resembles man in both looks and inclinations

so we know he is male and looks and acts like a man - so chances are he is either hetero, homo, or bi

bible backed arguments for all three are gladly welcomed

I disagree with that understanding of 'in his own image'. I will elaborate after I eat Pizza.

[Ulyaoth]

this is the dumbest topic I've seen in a while. God is nothing, just a floating ball of energy if he exists, nothing if he doesn't. If he were a god in the greek sense, you'd have a point.

[Darth Wong]

this is the dumbest topic I've seen in a while. God is nothing, just a floating ball of energy if he exists, nothing if he doesn't. If he were a god in the greek sense, you'd have a point.

Actually, in the Book of Genesis, Jacob wrestles with God, who is described as an unidentified man. He really is supposed to be in the form of a human male. And one must reiterate that the same book describes man being made in God's image.

Don't blame me, I didn't write the thing.

[Captain Arrrgh!]

Hi friends. At the risk of being semantic, I think the correct translation is "Let us fashion him in our image." Which brings up further questions...

[Chaigidel]

we are discussing this from a bible perspective--- is he homosexual from what we know of him in the bible ?

probably not discussing a personal concept of "god"---

[Ummon]

You remarkably misunderstand what you read, enoch! :wink:

[Odovacar]

Quite simply. God is perfect. He has no body. Not even gender. He doesnt need sexuality. (And there is just one God therefore, no female god can exist)
Woman is a simplifed verson of the male.
Sexuality is for imperfect, finite beings to father children-acc. to Bible,
And this thread is nothing more than a lame attempt to harass religious dudes.

[Darth Wong]

Quite simply. God is perfect. He has no body. Not even gender. He doesnt need sexuality. (And there is just one God therefore, no female god can exist)

The Book of Genesis says otherwise. It clearly describes God as a man.

Woman is a simplifed verson of the male.

There is no biological basis for the assertion that females are simplified forms of males.

Sexuality is for imperfect, finite beings to father children-acc. to Bible,
And this thread is nothing more than a lame attempt to harass religious dudes.

This is the problem with religious discussions in general. Religious people identify too personally with their beliefs, and if you poke fun at those beliefs, they treat it as if they're being personally harassed.

Hi friends. At the risk of being semantic, I think the correct translation is "Let us fashion him in our image." Which brings up further questions...

Well, it clearly describes God as a man when Jacob wrestles him. But it's no secret that the Book of Genesis borrows heavily from other creation myths around that time in history, so a certain level of self-contradiction is to be expected.

Remember, the edit button is there. ~ Scorch

[Odovacar]

The Book of Genesis says otherwise. It clearly describes God as a man.

Where?

There is no biological basis for the assertion that females are simplified forms of males.

There was in the antiquity...Im not speaking my own opinion obviously.

This is the problem with religious discussions in general. Religious people identify too personally with their beliefs, and if you poke fun at those beliefs, they treat it as if they're being personally harassed.

I think that enoch is playing a fool to harass others (not me, i just think this lame) because it is beyond me, that someone cannot understand the following line of logic:

-God created everything and everyone
-So: There is no other god
-God cannot have sex with a female God, because there is no such.
Nor with a male God for there is no such. So: God is asexual. Not homosexual.

Sexuality is to reproduce humanity in the Bible. (Remember to that passage because someone spill his semon..God cursed him, because he should have used it to beget children)

The Genesis does portray God as someone who is more human that he should be (acc. to a more greek, pure philosophical God) but I dont remember him talkig about sexuality. So, how could he be a man?

Oh and by the way, you can make fun of the Old testament, who will be interested? For a christian the New Testament is enough, thats where the real stuff is.
The Bible just changes as human thinking develops itself.

[Darth Wong]

Where?

I already mentioned that. Jacob wrestled a man all night, and that man turned out to be God. Are you saying you want chapter and verse? If you're familiar with Genesis, I would have thought you'd heard of this story before.

-God created everything and everyone

Actually, the Book of Genesis doesn't say that. It says that the universe was formless before God started making things, not that there was no universe. It actually says that God was "hovering over the waters" at the beginning.

-So: There is no other god

That does not necessarily follow. In fact, the Old Testament doesn't say there are no other gods; it only says that his chosen tribe should have no other gods before him.

-God cannot have sex with a female God, because there is no such.

Yet we are supposedly made in his image, so he has a penis. What use is that?

Nor with a male God for there is no such. So: God is asexual. Not homosexual.

Note that the OP also dealt with the question of his son, who was quite human, and who did not appear to show interest in the opposite sex, although if you wanted to press that issue, I would agree that this is also asexuality rather than homosexuality.

[Captain Arrrgh!]

Yes, I think a suplex was involved.
But seriously, Odo is right, it is in there, and can be easily googled. Though it's an unusual story, in that it reflects hellenic pantheonic feelings, rather than those invoked by common understandings of Biblica God/man relations.

[Odovacar]

I already mentioned that. Jacob wrestled a man all night, and that man turned out to be God. Are you saying you want chapter and verse? If you're familiar with Genesis, I would have thought you'd heard of this story before.

Of course I just did not know you are thinking of that passage. God took the form of a man who wrestled with Jacob. that doesnt man that he is a man.
Although he appeared to be a mortal man. But no reference about his sexuality.
And this is the only case when he appeared as a man.
God obviosuly can appear as a... let's say a flaming bush, but it doesn't mean he is that.

Not enough reason to belive he is homosexual.
By the way, of course for Old Testament god is still antropomorph enough...
(Plato would never agree that God can take any form he want, since his is the most perfect, but then how would understand God's infinite power?)
That will be changed in the New Testament.

"1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

So, God created heaven and the earth...so where was that other god if there was no heaven and no earth? In Dimension X with the teenager ninja turtles?
The second passage tells us about the time when God already created The World, but nothing else just the flat earth, with water on it.

You mistake the Old testament with Plato's Timaios, Darth Wrong, and God with the demiurg.
Dont you fear you will be accused of agnostic herecy?
As you agreed, someone with no sex=asexual.

[AngryTitusPullo]

Is god is a homosexual - never seen or heard of him being with a female, have ya? (no females in heaven) and everyone seems to agree that he is a he (I admit the possibility that he is a hermaphrodite)

Isn't this an English Language problem, not biblical language problem ? In English there's no word for non-male or female word, unlike the Arabic word for God (check the Arabic version of the Bible.. )

[Sadreddine]

You just showed that some very funny deductions can be made by examining the god of the Bible, when you are a christian or have been raised as one.

Luckily enough, God is entirely safe of any attempt of humanization.

[Odovacar]

You just showed that some very funny deductions can be made by examining the god of the Bible, when you are a christian or have been raised as one.

Luckily enough, God is entirely safe of any attempt of humanization.

Ahh..the superior muslim finally gaining upper hand....
Dont forget it is the same god, and Jesus is a prophet for you as well...

[Ummon]

Perhaps it is God who wants to partly humanize Himself. Remember when Satan was ordered to bow before Adam? Why should the universe (Satan is the universe) bow to a little pool of protoplasm?

[Captain Arrrgh!]

Forgive my ignorance, but which text or dogma states that satan is the universe?
@ D. Wong: So, on Hoth, did Solo slip Leah the tongue?