Medieval Rank Names

[Hotspur]

Medieval Naming Amendment Part Duex:
Proposer: Hotspur
Supporters: deRougemont, Giorgos - Zahos, Raven Darkwing

Upon the passage of this bill, the following fourm ranks and titles shall be changed to this medieval naming scheme:

Council Members: Lord Councilor
Senior Staff: Duke
Junior Staff: Marquis
Speaker of the House: Lord Speaker
Curator: Lord Chancellor

Senatorii: Earl
Officer Emeritus: Knight Commander

Divus: Saint
Opifex: Viscount

Patrician: Baron
Civitates: Knight Errant
Artifex: Knight Bachelor
Citizen: Knight Companion
Peregrinus: Yeoman

[Elric von Rabenfels]

I´m fine with everything but: Marquis (sounds waay too france for me) and Cardinal and Archbishop. Please no names of church-ranks, I beg you!

[Ragabash]

Hotspur.

I would advice to make own thread for the new theme.

[Hotspur]

Done and done.

@ Raven
I suppose we could make patrician = count, artifex = graf and eliminate the citizen rank since there aren't any...
What's wrong with religious titles?

[Belisarius]

Site Owner - King

No Kings in TWC. Please.

[Hotspur]

No Kings in TWC. Please.

lol. I did it because Ian would probably hate it.

Arch Duke perhaps?

[Belisarius]

lol. I did it because Ian would probably hate it.

Arch Duke perhaps?

Jester?

Fool?

[Atterdag]

The list is to put it quite frankly, boring, uninspiring and lacking of any TWCishnes.

Here is my suggestion.


Administrator - Dux
Strategos (global moderator) - Feodalis
Editor - Comes
Tribounos - Miles
Content Staff - Miles
Technical Staff - Miles

Curator - Curator

Senatorii - Senatorii

Divus - Sanctus (Hey we're medieval, right? We can't have several gods )
Opifex - Opifex

Patrician - Patrician
Civitates - Civitates
Artifex - Artifex
Citizen - Citizen
Peregrinus - Peregrinus

Consilium de Civitate - Consilium de Civitate
Symposium - Symposium
Curia - Curia
Prothalamos - Prothalamos
Curia Vote - Curia Vote
Tabularium - Tabularium

Basicly we only change the names of moderators and other officers.
Mixing something new with the familiar old.

And perhabs changing the sub forum names.

Please forgive me if I left anything out (ranks that is).

[imb39]

Jester?

Fool?

Yes, that would be dar more suitable. No kings, please...

[deRougemont]

Yes, that would be dar more suitable. No kings, please...

Just out of curiosity (and not that I would want king used either), but what is it about 'king' that makes everyone here cover their ears?

[Professor420]

Let's just clean up the names a bit so the plurals and singulars make sense, we get a bit more continuity where there are Roman (Curia) and Greek (Prothalamos, Strategos), and leave it be... please... Anything people don't understand (Medieval Latin) they aren't going to like for unfamiliarity, and anything people do understand (Medieval Nobility) they aren't going to like for its bland-ness.

[Manji]

I don't have any particular preference in terms of rank names but I do think they should be thematically sound and logical; I think "senator" and "count" don't go well together, either we adopt one theme or the other, not both.
Also, like Raven said, religiously-themed names might be problematic (people can pick arguments for the most senseless reasons...).

[Simetrical]

Egalitarianism?

Anyway, maybe Middle English? It has a ring of familiarity:

Council Members: Duk or Duc or Duyk or Douc (Duke)
Senior Staff Member: Erl or Yerle or Æorle or Ȝorle (Earl)
Staff Member: Baroun or Lauerd or Louerd or Laford or Laferrd or Lowerd or Lauerð or Hærre or Herre (Baron/Lord)
Divus: Halege or Sant or Seint (Saint . . . you can't object to religious themes when now it's "God")
Patrician: Chiualer or Cheualere or Cniht or KniȜt or Knict or Knyht or Knyght (Knight)
Peregrinus: Bonde, Cherl, ??? (serf, peasant; need a snappier-sounding one than this)

Two options for these, I guess:

Citizen: Burgeis or Burgeys (Burgess)
Civitates: Chapman or Chapmon or Chepmon or Marchaunt or Marchans (Merchant)
Artifex: Crafti-man (Craftsman . . . okay, maybe this one is off)

Alternatively:

Citizen: Athel, Hathel, Hathill, Hatell, Aðeling, Eðelyng, Ethelyng, [stretching it a bit, these are adjectives: Noble, Nobylle] (Noble)
Civitates, Artifex: ?????


Anyway, I like Middle English because 1) it's recognizable, mostly but 2) it's just as authentic and can sound pretty neat. Consider a partial lineup like

Council Member: Duyk
Senior Staff: Æorle
Staff Member: Lauerd
Divus: Seint
Patrician: KniȜt

Note that in Middle English spelling was totally unstandardized, so people are encouraged to ignore the bizarre letters in favor of typable stuff. All the better, let's vary the names used in the Constitution itself. But it looks cooler if we have some funky letters on the badges, IMO, if we're going this route (also makes it clearer that we aren't just styckyng randome letters one wyrds to make it sound old-fashioned).

[Tom Paine]

Just out of curiosity (and not that I would want king used either), but what is it about 'king' that makes everyone here cover their ears?

Small-r, old-world republicanism.

Egalitarianism?

Anyway, maybe Middle English? It has a ring of familiarity:

Council Members: Duk or Duc or Duyk or Douc (Duke)
Senior Staff Member: Erl or Yerle or Æorle or Ȝorle (Earl)
Staff Member: Baroun or Lauerd or Louerd or Laford or Laferrd or Lowerd or Lauerð or Hærre or Herre (Baron/Lord)
Divus: Halege or Sant or Seint (Saint . . . you can't object to religious themes when now it's "God")
Patrician: Chiualer or Cheualere or Cniht or KniȜt or Knict or Knyht or Knyght (Knight)
Peregrinus: Bonde, Cherl, ??? (serf, peasant; need a snappier-sounding one than this)

Two options for these, I guess:

Citizen: Burgeis or Burgeys (Burgess)
Civitates: Chapman or Chapmon or Chepmon or Marchaunt or Marchans (Merchant)
Artifex: Crafti-man (Craftsman . . . okay, maybe this one is off)

Alternatively:

Citizen: Athel, Hathel, Hathill, Hatell, Aðeling, Eðelyng, Ethelyng, [stretching it a bit, these are adjectives: Noble, Nobylle] (Noble)
Civitates, Artifex: ?????


Anyway, I like Middle English because 1) it's recognizable, mostly but 2) it's just as authentic and can sound pretty neat. Consider a partial lineup like

Council Member: Duyk
Senior Staff: Æorle
Staff Member: Lauerd
Divus: Seint
Patrician: KniȜt

Note that in Middle English spelling was totally unstandardized, so people are encouraged to ignore the bizarre letters in favor of typable stuff. All the better, let's vary the names used in the Constitution itself. But it looks cooler if we have some funky letters on the badges, IMO, if we're going this route (also makes it clearer that we aren't just styckyng randome letters one wyrds to make it sound old-fashioned).

Are we really going to use the yogh, Sim? I like it, but it has... present political uses that I don't like. And it'll encourage the uppity Scots. (Actually I rather like the idea of using the yogh, and you have a point about its benefits)

[Atterdag]

Middle English?
Sounds a bit anglocentric, but refreshing.
Any other suggestions?

[Last Roman]

Egalitarianism?

Anyway, maybe Middle English? It has a ring of familiarity:

Council Members: Duk or Duc or Duyk or Douc (Duke)
Senior Staff Member: Erl or Yerle or Æorle or Ȝorle (Earl)
Staff Member: Baroun or Lauerd or Louerd or Laford or Laferrd or Lowerd or Lauerð or Hærre or Herre (Baron/Lord)
Divus: Halege or Sant or Seint (Saint . . . you can't object to religious themes when now it's "God")
Patrician: Chiualer or Cheualere or Cniht or KniȜt or Knict or Knyht or Knyght (Knight)
Peregrinus: Bonde, Cherl, ??? (serf, peasant; need a snappier-sounding one than this)

Two options for these, I guess:

Citizen: Burgeis or Burgeys (Burgess)
Civitates: Chapman or Chapmon or Chepmon or Marchaunt or Marchans (Merchant)
Artifex: Crafti-man (Craftsman . . . okay, maybe this one is off)

Alternatively:

Citizen: Athel, Hathel, Hathill, Hatell, Aðeling, Eðelyng, Ethelyng, [stretching it a bit, these are adjectives: Noble, Nobylle] (Noble)
Civitates, Artifex: ?????


Anyway, I like Middle English because 1) it's recognizable, mostly but 2) it's just as authentic and can sound pretty neat. Consider a partial lineup like

Council Member: Duyk
Senior Staff: Æorle
Staff Member: Lauerd
Divus: Seint
Patrician: KniȜt

Note that in Middle English spelling was totally unstandardized, so people are encouraged to ignore the bizarre letters in favor of typable stuff. All the better, let's vary the names used in the Constitution itself. But it looks cooler if we have some funky letters on the badges, IMO, if we're going this route (also makes it clearer that we aren't just styckyng randome letters one wyrds to make it sound old-fashioned).

something I would very much support or just "generic" medieval English. Or medieval French. I'm just sick of Latin.

[Arakorn]

No.

I have a suggestion though:

Site Owner - Site Owner
Chief of Moderation - Lead Moderator
Chief of Content - Content Manager
Chief Technician - Geek Leader
Speaker of the House - Voted fool

Strategos - Deleter of all ****'s
Editor - Writer
Tribounos - Referee
Content Staff - Slave of Content Manager
Technical Staff - N00B Geek

Curator - Mass spammer

Senatorii - Old guy
Officer Emeritus - WTF is this?

Divus - Hypnotician
Opifex - Wannabe CA Dev

Patrician - 1337 Fool
Civitates - Lucky fool
Artifex - Modder fool
Citizen - Fools
Peregrinus - N00B

Consilium de Civitate - Collection of fools
Symposium - Fools Kindergarten
Curia - Unimportant place
Prothalamos - Wannabe parlamentary
Curia Vote - Poll house
Tabularium - Locked down place

What do you think? (No offense to anyone, especially Simetrical, simetricals "slaves", Ozymandias, all citizens (fools) and Scottishranger. (People might get offended of those, you never know... )

[Justinian]

Why, exactly, do we even need to change the rank names? No, I'm not trying to cling to comfortable old familiarities, my point is that historically, just because the customs and peoples of a country have advanced doesn't mean the names for things have changed, because they have been so locked in tradition. Case in point, almost every democratic country since the fall of Rome has modeled itself after the Roman Republic by even using words like republic, senator/senate and so on. Just because something is from a previous era doesn't mean it still isn't used.

[Hotspur]

Why, exactly, do we even need to change the rank names? No, I'm not trying to cling to comfortable old familiarities, my point is that historically, just because the customs and peoples of a country have advanced doesn't mean the names for things have changed, because they have been so locked in tradition. Case in point, almost every democratic country since the fall of Rome has modeled itself after the Roman Republic by even using words like republic, senator/senate and so on. Just because something is from a previous era doesn't mean it still isn't used.

Uh, because you guys voted last November to give the site a more medieval flavor with the release of M2?


@ Sim
I don't think middle English has enough titles for all the ranks. What if you included middle French, German and maybe Hungarian for an international feel?

[makanyane]

gah, trying to resist but I have to do it; not sure about some of the rest but:

Artifex = Modder fool

I think that accurately assesses the modders psyche, hours of dedication to something entirely without physical reward, or any other RL benefit....

failing that I quite like Sim's middle English - things that sound vaguely like appropriate words you are familiar with - even if spelling is a bit odd - are at least somewhat more understandable.