Aragon/Kievan Rus/Berbers?

[King Kong]

Hi all,

I have already made many new units and so I want to make one more new faction for the grand campaign.
Of course, the most important criterias for the new faction are:
- Is it historically accurate?
- How does it affect gameplay on the campaign map?

I don't want to make one of the factions from the upcoming "Kingdoms Expansion":
Ireland, Lithuania, Teutonic Order, Norway, Kingdom of Jerusalem, Principality of Antioch, Wales and the American factions, since those factions will be much easier to include into the grand campaign and it would be somehow pointless to invest a lot of time in making one of them.

Therefore, I'm thinking about to add one of the factions from the poll.
Personally, my vote goes to Aragon...


I really need your help to decide on the new faction and I highly appreciate every suggestion and comment!

[Ali_the_English]

How about Burgundy

[Dreadking]

How about Burgundy

lol

Kievan Rus though

[EzE]

I like Aragon - I am not eligible to vote in this poll so Mine will have to be writen.

I like having more powers in the iberian area.

[Cabsav]

nah i dont think so, there is simply too many powers in the iberian as it is, its fine at the moment buts it would be very hard to expand.

[Pachinko]

Aragon.I was very important country. Especially the Spain and England for late Medeival. Im not sure but one of the Queens or maybe a King. Was marriaged for the Aragon. Is that true?

[Ozy]

Aragon.I was very important country. Especially the Spain and England for late Medeival. Im not sure but one of the Queens or maybe a King. Was marriaged for the Aragon. Is that true?

Queen Isabel of Castille married King Fernando of Aragon, joining the two kingdoms.

[Ali_the_English]

If you want a new african faction then you should call it Empire of Mali.

[Boulugre]

Burgundy is a good choice. It tooks several century before the kings of France actually unite their kingdoom in something close to the actual country of France.
Burgundy and Provence (south of france) where powerful independant state.
Flemish (flandres) were also a powerful independant state (actual belgium and netherland)
An other option is to split the holy german empire into several factions, as it tooks ages before this area was united. ( but i have no idea of faction in this area)

Swiss was also quite early an independant and powerful city state which was never conquished

concerning the game and map balance i feel france and germany are the good place to create new faction, making the area quite a mess (like northern italy) but nice and challenging to play as french or german.

[Ali_the_English]

Burgundy were also allied to England in the Hundred years war against France.

[Ancient_Mariner]

I'm going to go with burgandy or Keivan Rus--because of the already crowded Iberian peninsula. Otherwise, Aragon would be great.

It might be an interesting idea to divorce the map from accurate geographies of scale. A larger campaign Iberia, could relate more to its prominence than to its real physical size.

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[Ali_the_English]

Burgundy would be more interesting and could also hold off milan who always seem to conquer most of France.

[medivalmatt]

i'd go with burgundy

[Boulugre]

here is a map showing the burgundy kingdom in 1435 (wikipedia source)



Burgundy is the dark red area .

And here is their blazon



They even had an elit knight order : the knight of the golden fleece (? not quite sure of the translation)

[numerosdecimus]

I strongly support Aragon. Not only it's realistic(and you can remove for certain Plamplona from Portuguese control) but it will aslo help concerning gameplay. Things in the Iberian peninsula would become much more balanced.

Aragon: 3 or 4 provinces(4 if you count Palma)

Caslete-Leon: 4 or 5 provinces if you count Valencia

Moors: 3 or 4 provinces if you count Valencia and that new province your were talking about for the moors in the south.

Portugal: 3 provinces, 2 if you don't put that third. No need to express myself concerning this last one, you're aware of my opinion concerning the portuguese provinces King kong.

Under these provinces numbers things do become quite balanced in the iberian peninsula, and every faction in the peninsula is more of less with the same difficulty and with the same economical and military power aproximately.

Adding Aragon would do wonders for both historical accuracy and gameplay.

But don't forget to also add another muslin faction, it's really important.

Aragon is the top priority, right after it are the Berbers. Try to focus on these two completely for now, that's my advice.

And good luck with the new SS version.

[T-wester]

Keivan Rus imo
The iberian peninsula are as others said already cowed and the steppes are empty also the kiev rus will add an other orthodox faction. in the 1200 kiev had population of 50000 and london only 12000
as for the bebers i think the moors already are a collection of all the islam factions in vestafrika. and the mali they would be far from any thing.
aragon and Burgundy in this game porugal are instead of aragon and Navarre. and Burgundy french rebels
if you were to implent all of some of these factions make sure theres room for ekspansion its a bummer to have to fight factions early.

[numerosdecimus]

Keivan Rus imo
The iberian peninsula are as others said already cowed and the steppes are empty also the kiev rus will add an other orthodox faction. in the 1200 kiev had population of 50000 and london only 12000
as for the bebers i think the moors already are a collection of all the islam factions in vestafrika. and the mali they would be far from any thing.
aragon and Burgundy in this game porugal are instead of aragon and Navarre. and Burgundy french rebels
if you were to implent all of some of these factions make sure theres room for ekspansion its a bummer to have to fight factions early.

And Lisbon before the "reconsquista" had a pop beyond 100000 and was one of the richest cities in Europe and still was after.

Taking out factions is out of question, desides you don't know what you're talking about, Portugal's impact in medieval history was critical. The entire western Europe fate from the 12th century to the 16th century was under the endless game of the two alliances that existed at that time in western Europe, the Luso-English Alliance and the French-Castele Leonize Alliance. Second, the fate of iberian peninsula was being constantly decided main by these four factions, Castele-Leon, Moors, Aragon and Portugal.

Before you start suggesting out of nowhere think again because not only is historically incorrect but what you suggest it will also affect gameplay severely. If Portugal is removed, Castele-Leon gains a huge advantange over the other factions in the peninsula, if Aragon is not put then we have the result I sometimes see in several games which is Castele-Leon gaining quick supermacy of the peninsula because the conditions aren't balanced for a chalenging and equal fight for every faction, which means what if Aragon is put and no other faction is removed, then we have a situation that favours equality of conditions, influence and power which brings a balanced gameplay in the iberian peninsula.

Some say the peninsula may get overcrowded, I say no. This combination of factions in the peninsula creates the ideal situation and if planed carefully, then the number of provinces for each faction would make this a balaned fight for supremacy in the peninsula and of course, historically accurate.

If someone simply starts saying that "Portugal should be removed" without any evidence or justification that shows disrespect toward the importance of that faction and at the same time ignorance, so don't start "spitting" things. And if I've been rude with you in any way, then I'm sorry because I didn't meant it. But preferebly people should reflect before they start comenting on things.

[Cacahuet]

I´m with numerosdecimus and King Kong about the necessary of including Aragon in Iberian Peninsula zone. I think it´ll add some kind of realism in that zone because the actual disposition of regions isn´t accurate at all (in fact hasn´t much sense). Spanish has internal fights apart of their Reconquista against the Moors and Aragon Crown in fact participed in one of the crusades as an independent country...
Also What numerosdecimus regions distribution is proposing is more or less accurate and balanced. I don´t see any problem in having four factions in the Iberian peninsula as it was the real situation in the date the game takes place.
Maybe i´ll give some extra-units to the moors (new units or upgrading the ones the faction has) because it´ll be crashed by the catholic factions if not too easily, but this is other question....

[Ali_the_English]

By the way which mod is this for?

[Tom Servo]

Europe is already crowded, my vote is on an eastern faction like kiev.