Comparing education systems

[RandomOstrichNotFromAustraliaButFromMadagascar]

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[Carach]

most arent integrating well, and its the same case in much of the western world where muslims move to.

Its mostly down to the older generation indoctrinating, and continuing their past 'traditions' in my view, they allow the rot to spread...(often in the form of extremism and ultimately leading to what we now term in the 21st century as terrorism - thats for the males mostly anyway)

I know of several cases, of extreme violence in muslim families, which while this could happen in any family, it was largely down to muslim culture/tradition of oppressing the wife. The males dont seem to get that this just isnt allowed in the western world. (In one example, the dad of the husband even began beating the woman...)

[Carach]

holy cow u make me look soft matty, brace for napalm! lol

[jaklei]

You can find europeans with european ideals in the deepest part of tibet. So generally i say: Yeah, they're eventually going to be Europeans.

[Plautus]

Wow you ask if they are integrated...

I tell you something:

Im living in Hamburg / Germany.
And me and other germans are often insulted from muslims as "stupid germans". THEY DONT WANT TO BE PART OF GERMANY. They only want our money.
The complete europe continent is beeing overrun by muslim. Especially germans...and due to our "third reich" our goverment is always caution not to make something agains foreingers.

Dont take me wrong, i like muslims in general. In fact i call a muslim a good friend. But to be honest:
To get rid of this i would also throw him out of germany. Its ******** to get insulted and particulary hunted in germany because you are german.
Just a matter of time untill we will force them to move the f... outta here or to become german!

[Holger Danske]

Only a very small minority of the muslims are doing anything honest to intergrate into the European soceity, the rest is just *****ing about their "civil rights", and trying to shape Europe so it looks like the middle east.

[Carach]

Only a very small minority of the muslims are doing anything honest to intergrate into the European soceity, the rest is just *****ing about their "civil rights", and trying to shape Europe so it looks like the middle east.

yea and theres a reason i dont move to iran....we dont need europe becoming iran no.2

[Sidmen]

American Muslims -aside from newcomers and the ones from Europe- tend to be very well integrated. A study of a hundred mosques reported that American Muslims are as americanized as anyone else. It's probably because of Europe's proximity to the Muslim world.

[Carach]

American Muslims -aside from newcomers and the ones from Europe- tend to be very well integrated. A study of a hundred mosques reported that American Muslims are as americanized as anyone else. It's probably because of Europe's proximity to the Muslim world.

several of the top preachers here in the UK (that also happen to preach violence and extremism) happen to be of American descent

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Because they'll get fried in the US for doing it.

[Carach]

Because they'll get fried in the US for doing it.

yea, the muslims in europe seem to be easier to manipulate.

[Zadig]

American Muslims -aside from newcomers and the ones from Europe- tend to be very well integrated. A study of a hundred mosques reported that American Muslims are as americanized as anyone else. It's probably because of Europe's proximity to the Muslim world.

in America there tend to be more educated muslims whereas in Europe they tend to be more violent and attached to their culture

In France in 2005 who do you think it was rioting?...

[Alatar]

My god, is this the bash islam thread! All sweeping generiseations which are stupid.
Plautus of course you have a imaginary muslim friend, every racist says "Don't get me wrong I have a close friend who is XXX", I've heqard it a million times.

[Radier]

Muslims don't integrate in the cities, but out in the country.

There are some suburban neighborhoods here in Sweden that I gladly would
se the police surround and send everyone in it out of Sweden.

The majority of these areas male population contribute nothing to
the society and lives on welfare and crime, while their wifes is home
with alot of kids that will grow up in segregation and violence.

Europe don't need Islam. I don't need it. If only our muslims had the same
mentality as the american muslims... Then we wouldn't have a problem.

[IronBrig4]

I'd say that integration is made more difficult by the de facto segregation. Although there are Muslim neighborhoods in the US, there is nothing stopping Muslims from living in other neighborhoods if they want to. It's the same with most immigrants in the US, with the first generation sticking together and the newer generation moving elsewhere. In many European countries, on the other hand, most communities prefer that Muslims stick to their own neighborhoods.

[Hafnium]

My god, is this the bash islam thread! All sweeping generiseations which are stupid.
Plautus of course you have a imaginary muslim friend, every racist says "Don't get me wrong I have a close friend who is XXX", I've heqard it a million times.

Don't deny the truth by calling people liars. There is a saying in my country, roughly translates to "A thief thinks everyone steals", catch my drift?

The fact is that in Europe there are a lot of (mostly young, male) muslims who do their best to **** up society. I work with dozens of cool, friendly muslims who are integrated, but for every one of them there are probably five who aren't.

Might I ask where you live? Maybe it would explain why you don't believe us.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

This makes me think the Islamophobia is probably 5x worse than here in America. Now let's all blame Europe for being racists/bigots!

[Holger Danske]

This makes me think the Islamophobia is probably 5x worse than here in America. Now let's all blame Europe for being racists/bigots!

Yup...
Because once you're standing up for your own culture and nothing taking crap from the muslims you are the racist. <- normal leftish logic.

[jankren]

Yup...
Because once you're standing up for your own culture and nothing taking crap from the muslims you are the racist. <- normal leftish logic.

I think he was just saying that everyone including Muslims are relatively integrating really well in USA unlike in Europe. Therefore he assumed that there is probably something wrong with European's treatment of their minority which causes all this isolation issue to happen.

I think it's crap to say "muslims" I think you can say this about any foreigner that moves to my country. They don't learn the language. Close themselves off from the rest of the population creating communities of their foreign roots and close them off from the rest. I think the muslims here are doing better then the Poles/Thais/Vietnamese.

I suppose you must be American.

[Hansa]

This is definately not a yes/no question. The vast majority of moslems are integrating very well into European society, while a small minority is not doing so at all. These are mostly young men, and the level of integration also seems to vary as of where within the Moslem world the immigrants arrive from (at least in my country).

While I guess about 90 percent of moslems integrate very well, the remaining ca 10 percent who don't is still a far to big number. Since a few of these 10 percent are potential terrorists, its a problem. (feel free to arrest me on percentages here, as I am only referring to memory).