Why aren't African Americans mad at Africans?

[Kennylz]

Just thought I'd throw something from left field in there. Im only referring to African Americans that speak bitterly about Anglo's that brought them to America.

Africans did the actual enslaving, because they wanted to buy guns. France/Spain/Britian just bought them. I've never ever seen a black man mad at Africans though.

Nor, Indians pissed at the British, even though they did the same thing, except enslaved them THERE, instead of taking them back to Britain.

[Hunter Makoy]

well if ur refering to Indians in the true since (a person from India), i could prolly point u towards quite a few that still feel negatively towards the Brittish.

if ur refering to American Indians, they were the origonal slave when the brittish first colonised america, but they were unable to properly handle the work, and they were more prone to european disease. this is when they decided to enslave the africans. but ur right, africans were definately not innocent thru it all, if they saw the ablility to sell out their neighbor so they could profit and escape the same treatment, they definately took the opportunity.

[kshcshbash]

well if ur refering to Indians in the true since (a person from India), i could prolly point u towards quite a few that still feel negatively towards the Brittish.

if ur refering to American Indians, they were the origonal slave when the brittish first colonised america, but they were unable to properly handle the work, and they were more prone to european disease. this is when they decided to enslave the africans. but ur right, africans were definately not innocent thru it all, if they saw the ablility to sell out their neighbor so they could profit and escape the same treatment, they definately took the opportunity.

You'll find that a lot of Indians have actually got up and moved on, and the waves of immigration have done a lot to patch up bad feelings

Besides, Pakistan is the real enemy.

[enoch]

Besides, Pakistan is the real enemy.

and tibet - never underestimate the power of a experienced force of musketmen

[enoch]

outside the context of your thread but I know a lot of AAs who view "real" africans as interlopers trying to outshine the "native AAs"

african immigrants actually tend to move up the social later just like every other immigrant group

for whatever reasons (and there is a lot to throw in here) - AA's are the only significant "ethnic" population not to follow the immigrant model of upward reaching in the USA

[Sheep]

outside the context of your thread but I know a lot of AAs who view "real" africans as interlopers trying to outshine the "native AAs"

Me too.

[Kennylz]

I was referring to actual Indians, for reference. I call Native Americans, Native Americans.

[Legio XX Valeria Victrix]

Just thought I'd throw something from left field in there. Im only referring to African Americans that speak bitterly about Anglo's that brought them to America.

Africans did the actual enslaving, because they wanted to buy guns. France/Spain/Britian just bought them. I've never ever seen a black man mad at Africans though.

Nor, Indians pissed at the British, even though they did the same thing, except enslaved them THERE, instead of taking them back to Britain.

Well, for one thing, it's kind of hard to hold a grudge against tiny African tribes that don't exist in any form today.

In addition, the West Africans did enslave their own in wars and raids and such, but don't make the mistake of thinking that there weren't any white Europeans out there catching slaves themselves. It just became more economical for both sides: Africans take prisoners in wars, which of course were frequent, and they can make a profit off of these captives by selling them to European slave traders.

In reality, I would say that the Europeans are far more culpable than the Africans. Taking captives in war is as old as warfare itself. It was the Europeans who provided the impetus for taking as many prisoners as they did: without the economic motive they provided, a mass of captives to an agrarian African tribe is just more mouths to feed.

Finally, remember that it wasn't the Africans who held the racist views of Europeans as if these people were subhumans fit only for manual labor based on their ethnicity. They didn't shackle them and place them in dank and cramped ship holds and force them to cross the Atlantic with practically no food and laying in piles of their own excrement. Finally, they didn't subject them to a brutal and inescapable labor system that broke their bodies and spirits. In the long run, they have blame in the system for certain, but is it really more than Europeans??

**I should make it clear that I am against any kind of reparations in the present day for slavery. It is over, and has been over for over 100 years now. If we provide reparations to ancestors of slaves, why not all the Jews that suffered anti-Semitism in Europe over the centuries, or any other group that has ever been oppressed in history (read, virtually all of them). Then of course you'd have the opportunists who would jump on the possibility of cash and corrupt the entire process.

[Yorkshireman]

And of course there's the biggest slave traders in history, the Arabs, who plundered the East coast of Africa for centuries and were never beholden to any anti slavery acts passed in the Western Hemisphere. And the Africans certainly practised racism on a scale of the Europeans, try looking at the history, of say, the Zulus in southern Africa before the arrival of the British and Dutch.

[jankren]

Slavery is a very hideous thing. I cant imagine how it feels to be owned by someone else.

[Gelgoog]

those africans who enslaved other tribes were very brutal to them. often times the journey to the coast would be hundreds of miles, and the might lose 1/4 of those they captured along the way. make no mistake, the africans were very brutal to eachother.

[danzig]

Africans did the actual enslaving, because they wanted to buy guns. France/Spain/Britian just bought them. I've never ever seen a black man mad at Africans though.

Simple because it would hilarious and also sad if someone like this


Placed the blame on a people who now live like this


Its why I find African Americans who invoke slavery as an excuse today for everything under the sun sad little people who make a mockery out of the people who actually endured slavery in the US and the results that followed in Africa itself that has lead to nothing but war, starvation, debt and little hope.

[Erik]

Simple because it would hilarious and also sad if someone like this


Placed the blame on a people who now live like this

What about him:

The Ashanti King, who's family got "n-gar rich" from the slave trade and still is. (and yes, all that jewelry is pure gold....eat that 50c)

You can't blame the slave trade on Africans in general, only a few tribes and families.
But then you can't blame the slave trade on Europeans in general either.

[danzig]

What about him:
The Ashanti King, who's family got "n-gar rich" from the slave trade and still is. (and yes, all that jewelry is pure gold....eat that 50c)

Yes but he doesnt represent the average life of a black african, granted Kayne West hardly represents the average life of a black person in american nor does the starving child represent all of africans either but there are far more Kayne Wests and starving africans in the world then there are rich kings.

Also you miss the point that status/wealth doesn't matter when placing the blame. Blacks who blame the 'white man' for slavery do so universally whether it be someone of Bill Gates status or say me who is hardly loaded. So if this segment of the black community wanted to blame africans for slavery they would generally have to blame Africa as a whole much as it blames white europeans. Since the quality of life of even a poor black person in the US would be a magnitude better then his counter part in Africa it would be an absurd stance to take. Little difficult to demand reparations from people who are starving after all.

Of course all this requires that some logic and common sense be applied and when it comes to whackos who blame every white person for slavery it would probably be asking for too much. Sadly the type of people who blame all whites for slavery would probably look at a rich tribal king as a symbol of "african pride" and ignore things like the facts.

[Axe-Battler]

that was extremely powerful Danzig, I think you just defeated everyone in this thread!

But maybe I could conclude the thread...

Why would africans be mad at white people or africans???

It is illogical, irrational, and ignorant.

White people alive right not did NOT enslave africans...

The White people over 150 years ago were the ones that did, so african americans shouldn't be mad at anyone.

To keep being mad about some crap that happened years and years ago at the hands of someone who's not even alive anymore or something that didn't affect you, is to create even more problems.

The only african americans that have any right to be angry at something are the 60-90 year olds that lived through segregation... and no one else.

[Condottiere SOG]

It is easier to remain angry at whites instead of blacks that enslaved African Americans for all the things that came of the initial enslavement. Trust me, African-Americans are not too pleased to have learned recently of the earlier coup.

[Richard]

I encountered some African Americans who were racist towards me on the internet because of something my ancestors apparently did to their ancestors in America. Now, I am a New Zealander who's ancestors were British and Irish peasants who had never set foot outside their parishes until arrival here in the late 1800s (which I told said African Americans), and certainly never traded any slaves in the US.

Is it normal for Afro-Americans to assume all white/European people enslaved their ancestors? I found the whole discussion I held with them quite odd actually.

[danzig]

Is it normal for Afro-Americans to assume all white/European people enslaved their ancestors? I found the whole discussion I held with them quite odd actually.

Well like every group there is a minority within it that tends to be completely idiotic in their belief and they always tend to be the most vocal. Its not the norm you just had the misfortune of running into idiots, all too common on the internet. The majority (imo) of blacks dont subscribe to that nonsense anymore then say all muslims do terrorism but always a few idiots to them Minor Threat's Guilty of Being White (Slayer's cover is better though imo) fits perfectly.

[Axe-Battler]

oh I heard about that stuff...

It is amazing how sick and desgusting those some of those african countries' leaders treat their people...

africa is filled with so much value, those people could be living in pure wealth.

When I think of people saying how evil hitler was... I laugh and think in my head, just go to a country in africa if you want to see evil.

[Erik]

It is amazing how sick and desgusting those some of those african countries' leaders treat their people...

The Ashanti King treats his subject very well.
He is actually a very nice guy, and in no way evil.

All I'm saying is that most (or at least a large part) of his family wealth came from the slave trade.
I don't blame him for that, it's not his fault that his ancestors were "in the business".
I just find it strange that some Afro-Americans are only angry at "the white man" and not at people like this.
If Afro-Americans want to know where the profits from the labor of their ancestors went they need to look no further than this guys ring finger, they should not come looking in my wallet.